Deficient or burnt?
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moash
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u have already posted ur own thread.....y dont u wait for someone to answer
its not cool to hijack threads
TheRuiner
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Well, even the very very tips of the new growth is starting to ever so slightly curl up. At this point I'm going to guess that whatever is happening is a result of a lack of food. How could it be anything else? I've barely given this girl anything but water for over a week. I watered the second time in my water/water/feed schedule and dropped in 1/8 a tsp of cal mag and some liquid karma, only about 40ppm's worth on my meter, nothing at all hardly. She's hanging in there still this morning, but I'm anxious to feed her again, I'm going to kick it back up to 1/2 strength what the schedule reads from Fox Farms. Next feeding will be Wednesday morning, she'll make it till then but up till now it was only lower growth on fan leaves, now something is starting to get at the newer growth it's bothering me, f- with my fan leaves but leave me buds alone!
TheRuiner
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Don't sweat it Dawson, flush the girls with 3x the amount of plain water then there is medium in your container. For example, I just flushed and I had to run 15 gallons of water through my pots because they are 5 gallons a piece. Good luck.
TheRuiner
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I didn't wait the one more day I was going to too feed again, this is what I was seeing, tips curling and lower growth getting worse still, it must've been something the plant was simply lacking to begin with that was the issue. When I flushed and fed less it got worse.
I'm not gonna retype everything I just did to her so you can go here if you'd like to see or even give your two cents if you would be so kind.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/336865-here-we-grow-7.html#post4497814
I'm not gonna retype everything I just did to her so you can go here if you'd like to see or even give your two cents if you would be so kind.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/336865-here-we-grow-7.html#post4497814
moash
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i think the advice was to flush,feed less and work up if needed
clearly they r lacking and u need work up....continue to do this everyother feeding until the symptoms stop
like i said before,it looks like a K def,but dont know if its from lockout or underfed......the way i see it,if it was from underfeeding,there would some N def in the mix
clearly they r lacking and u need work up....continue to do this everyother feeding until the symptoms stop
like i said before,it looks like a K def,but dont know if its from lockout or underfed......the way i see it,if it was from underfeeding,there would some N def in the mix
Pureblood89
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curling looks like heat stress
TheRuiner
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Sir, this is definitely not heat stress, I agree that the curling does look like it, but in this case my temps do not reach any higher than about 81 f in the heat of the day.
TheRuiner
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I found a article to support what your saying about there being a K def Moash, I also see evidence of a N def. It appears to have not only gotten worse after flushing and feeding extremely light, but other issue popped up as well. This makes me believe that the issues are from lack of nutes. I didn't break any of the advice given me by Cowboy, all I did was feed one day sooner than I planned on.
I flushed, then waited three days then fed extremely lightly, then waited three days and watered, then waited three days then watered, then waited two days and fed lightly. (about 650ppm this morning) I could tell she needed something, she was curling on the edges (which I read could've been a result of the K def you spoke of). I believe I might've locked out some nutes by feeding to frequently in addition to having a magnesium def to begin with, I think if I had just put more time between feeding/watering and given a more flushing watering when it was needed then I wouldn't have seen much more than signs of a mag def.
Thoughts, opinions? Advice? do my thoughts sound reasonable?
moash
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idk if u had a def to begin with or not
but yeah,frequent feedings resulting in lockout sounds reasonable to me.....
i think u r spot on with the cause and the solution
+rep
TheRuiner
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If I did have any deficiency to begin with it was a magnesium def. But I see what your saying, I could've been locking out the mag myself with over nuteing... so I might have been just fine had I only flushed better and fed less. Might wanna hold off on the rep just yet, I'm still 6 weeks away from finishing, it sounds good in theory, lets hope it works in practice. 
Thanks for helping me reason though this, and to think, we're just a bunch of stupid potheads...
updates to come...
Thanks for helping me reason though this, and to think, we're just a bunch of stupid potheads...
updates to come...
TheRuiner
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I guess I'm not going to see my tips uncurl in the life span of this plant, it looks like the plant sucked anything available in the tips of the leaves out and into the flowers... the very ends of some of the top leaves are brittle and brownish where they are curled up, it's not a deal breaker but it doesn't look good. Lower leaves are still slowly turning yellow and getting brittle brown spots from the outside in and eventually turning into little dried up brown crumblies. That is unless it's a large leaf and sometimes it will drop before it gets entirely brown.
So the yellowing is a Nitrogen def, correct?
The browning is a magnesium def, correct?
and the curling tips was a K def from the flush, correct?
I'm just trying to get all this strait in my head so I can combat it better in the future, or hopefully prevent it entirely!
That's what I think anyway, does anyone have any other suggestions or comments?
So the yellowing is a Nitrogen def, correct?
The browning is a magnesium def, correct?
and the curling tips was a K def from the flush, correct?
I'm just trying to get all this strait in my head so I can combat it better in the future, or hopefully prevent it entirely!
That's what I think anyway, does anyone have any other suggestions or comments?
moash
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its hard to say what def is what when everything is all wack....some def have the same symptoms,only differ slightly....for example nitrogen def and iron def both have symptoms of uniformed chlorosis,the diff is nitrogen starts yellowing from the tips to the inward of the leaf where as iron starts from the inward to tips
TheRuiner
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I guess as bad as I won't wanna admit it, things are all out of wack, I can't understand why though, as much attention as this plant has received and care that I've put into it I don't see how I can get so many basics right and still have stuff this out of wack! WTF!?!
Here are some more pictures, these new pics help any in getting to the bottom of this once and for all?
moash
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maybe that is the problem...too much attention,its annoyed at u..j/j
have u stepped up the strength on nutes
Wolverine97
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Hey man, I just saw this thread, and I'm new to the site as well. I had almost the exact same problems a year ago using the FF lineup. I think you said you used Ocean Forest right? It's a pretty good soil, but it has a good nutrient base already, but should really be mixed 1:2 w/ Light Warrior if you plan to feed right away. Actually, you should mix it anyway, it gives a better overall base to start from. I'm pretty sure you locked out your P with high ph and salinity, that would explain the brown spots and leaf curl. The big ridges between veins on your new growth is usually high salinity or ph, as well as leaf curl.
Next time around I'd start off with a lighter feed, and probably switch away from FF for flowering, they've never pulled me all the way through without incident.
