Katatawnic
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Stupid concept it may be, but it's still a reality.
Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid
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420Miller
Member
Yeah cause people just bend over and take it. We think we have a right to our cannabis, and see how corrupt shit is. Most people that live their days in obeying the laws, they don't care. They just have the mentality that they don't break the law so why would it affect them. Yet more and more of our rights get taken away.
Katatawnic
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This is a right that was taken away decades ago. The bending over and taking it has gone on long enough. Fact remains the only way we'll get that right back is to play the game and vote. We can be pissed off about stupid concepts and still play the game. Nothing wrong with winning a game, even when it's a stupid one in the first place. 
RavenMochi
Well-Known Member
Freedom is an illusion, as well as having any rights in this country. We don't have any, we have privileges. This is a police state full of citizens being scamed on a regular basis.
420Miller
Member
Somebody's been watching george carlin haha, love that guy.
Katatawnic
Well-Known Member
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Nothing ain't worth nothing, but it's free. 
klmmicro
Well-Known Member
Then we are, in fact, slaves. Citizens have rights. Slaves are allotted privilege when they do their master's bidding. How did we get to this point? This country did not start this way. How do we get back?
jamNburn
Active Member
This argument sounds stupid. Why do we want to keep this illegal. Most sellers can turn into a legitimate business. I say this bc most smart sellers are already business men. Setting up front companies to make money clean and spendable. So don't think they aren't. Maybe the schlep you buy your grams from will disappear. But not the real guys that are real investors. They have capital. They have negotiation skills and theY have credit. They would turn legitimate overnight.
RavenMochi
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I don't know that we can...
The fact is that the people of this country will never stand together to do anything about it because they've gotten used to being comfortable, and just seem to want "safety" as opposed to freedom.
RavenMochi
Well-Known Member
Fear is there weapon, and the sad part is so many of see it, but it won't be enough to counter the massive sea of ignorance that fallows it blindly...
Needofweed
Active Member
lear the truth watch this!!!!!
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Needofweed
Active Member
http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot....-2010-tax.html
heres more of the truth.
bottom line is im voting no and evry one i know who votes is voting no. there is more than one way to legalize bud.
and prop 19 is not the way to do it.
right now i grow bud for free if prop 19 passes ill have to pay taxes to grow even if only for my personal use.
prop 19 is no good
heres more of the truth.
bottom line is im voting no and evry one i know who votes is voting no. there is more than one way to legalize bud.
and prop 19 is not the way to do it.
right now i grow bud for free if prop 19 passes ill have to pay taxes to grow even if only for my personal use.
prop 19 is no good
Needofweed
Active Member
Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
But the city’s proposed “Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax” also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in “Weed Wars.” So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use — whether Prop. 19 passes or not
If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.
The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.
The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] plants.
If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other pot patients
http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordova-ballot/
heres something to fear high taxes brought to you buy prop19
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
But the city’s proposed “Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax” also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in “Weed Wars.” So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use — whether Prop. 19 passes or not
If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.
The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.
The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] plants.
If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other pot patients
http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordova-ballot/
heres something to fear high taxes brought to you buy prop19
Needofweed
Active Member
if they want to regulate weed like tabacco and beer then why is there a limit on how much i can buy and posses(1oz).
im not restricted to 1 12 pack of beer or 1 pack of cigs.
im just saying
im not restricted to 1 12 pack of beer or 1 pack of cigs.
im just saying
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
trying to scare people into voting your way. Carl Rove would be so proud of you.
Raptured
Member
After a few years of pot being legalized big time corporations will be able to sell high quality weed. Its not hard to grow marijuana. Will the best pot still come from smaller more particular grows yes. Lets say that stuff is grade A.. But you will be able to buy grade B and C stuff at the local store. And with competition everywhere the prices will remain low.. The small time personal use growers and smokers want this to be legalized anyone that is more concerned about there profits wants it to remain the same or decriminalized. And I dont blame those people that are freaking out because there main source of income is to grow and sell it. I just dont care one bit about you.. and I really really hope it gets legalized... there has been so much rhetoric and false claims about marijuana.. some people are brain washed that its a terrible illegal drug. Lets put that shit to rest starting with prop 19.
Cali.Grown>408
Well-Known Member
your all growers right?? so y legalize it then?? just go get ur medical card cuz if it becomes legal their ganna make strict growing laws..and growing permits will cost a grip..im legal now so y should i care about ppl who are just scared to get caught..man up..its not like your ganna do years unless your growing thousands and selling to narks
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Correct. You have to think about who these big corporations are going to be. They are going to be the most successful growers. It'll be which ever growers can sell the largest quantities of A grade. The dispensary business has proven that top selling bud has little to nothing to do with who can sell the cheapest bud. It's all about who can sell the best bud for the lowest price. Quality has always been the most important factor in selling bud. I'm not sure why anyone would think that is going to change. Price is only a factor when comparing bud of the same quality.
Needofweed
Active Member
I agree that they would be able to produce high quality weed no doubt. What i dont understand is why it would be cheaper. Now before you blow your top let me explain. Weed now on average street price in my area is about 250 an oz, but you got to think that this price is not set up from the grower its from the retailer that marks up the price. I grow myself both indoor and out,I usually cant get of about 14-16 oz every 2 1/2 months indoor only.It coast me about $950 to do this so I get off paying about $63 a oz and Im a small grower, so my coast is higher? Now I now 3 other growers who grow a lot more than me and every now and then I run out between harvests so i go buy some bud of them for no more than $120 an oz.Those massive grow ops in oakland still have to pay for electricity+water+nutrients+manpower+shipping+secruity,and+taxes.So I dont know if they will be able to bring the price of production lower than $63 an oz?
Oh and one other thing,proponent of prop19 say it will genrate 1.4 billion dollors anualy for the state but that figgure is base on todays marketprice of "$300" an oz.But at the same tim Ive read that prices are going to drop down to "$30" an oz. thats a 90% drop in price so its a 90% drop in tax revevue.So thats only 140,000,000 dolloers anually.that a down fall of 1.260 billion dollors a year.So whats up with that? Makes me think that they would want to keep prices high.
Oh and one other thing,proponent of prop19 say it will genrate 1.4 billion dollors anualy for the state but that figgure is base on todays marketprice of "$300" an oz.But at the same tim Ive read that prices are going to drop down to "$30" an oz. thats a 90% drop in price so its a 90% drop in tax revevue.So thats only 140,000,000 dolloers anually.that a down fall of 1.260 billion dollors a year.So whats up with that? Makes me think that they would want to keep prices high.