Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19

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CultivationArt

CultivationArt

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Veggy boi, next time read a bit furthar down k, all 19 will do for medical marijuana patients is allow 1 extra oz, and grow like 3-5 extra
plants. All this propisition is doing is benifiting us patients. So before starting a huge argument, talk to your doctor or laywer.
Fortunantlly my step father is a doctor, and knows every right to the bone.
so vote no if you like, but its gonna pass, and its gonna be a good thing. bad for dealers, but i was never a dealer so its all good.
the only con to 19 is there gonna try to regulate it like alcohol. Hash will still be illegel just like moonshine lol
but thats not a fer sure. Thats just what my pops was saying. opinun





PROP. 19 IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO MMJ PATIENTS SINCE PROP. 215

Anyone who claims that Proposition 19 will restrict or eliminate rights under the Compassionate Use Act (CUA) or the Medical marijuana Program (MMP) is simply wrong. If anything, Proposition 19 will permit individuals to grow and possess much more than ever before with patients, coops and collectives still receiving the same protections they are entitled to under the CUA and MMP.
 
veggiegardener

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Dan Kone said:
Too much wiggle room? The California supreme court has already made the ruling. It's the law. The only thing that could be done is an appeal to the US supreme court. Since that wasn't done, it's not likely.



Quite a lot. But in this particular matter, the decision has already been made. It's a done deal.



And that is true with or without prop 19. We should continue with prohibition out of fear that if we end prohibition law enforcement might get mad and try to abuse the law? Not a strong argument.



No, but the law is the law. A supreme court case ruling is the law. That doesn't require honesty out of any politician, cop, or lawyer. It just is what it is.



That's because there is no loophole. A supreme court decision is the law period. What they say goes. You're looking for something that doesn't exist. Do you see doctors getting arrested for giving abortions? No. Why is that? Because the supreme court said it was legal.



Excuse me? Mercenary? WTF are you talking about? I am a home grower. If prop 19 is so bad then why are you attacking me personally instead of keeping the conversation about prop 19?

But if you want to go there, fine. I think you're an ignorant paranoid nut who is absolutely clueless to what prop 19 actually says or how the law works.



Correct. I'm in no way trying to hide that. Does that make me a bad person? Is every small business owner in America a bad person? Does providing jobs and medicine make me evil? Grow the fuck up man.



I apologize for providing affordable medicine to my community. I apologize for employing people. I apologizing for supporting California growers by buying their products.

The real enemy is ignorant fucks like you. What the fuck are you doing that is so noble that you feel you have the right to talk down to me?



I've never sold a $400 oz in my life. I've never sold a $60 8th in my life. I've never sold a $20 gram (except to drunk fratboys while I was in college).
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If your top prices are under $200/oz I apologize. BUT you are likely another jerk who pays growers $1500/lb and sell for $375. What IS your top price?

We now know where you are coming from. 19 is about $$$, for you.

I'm glad you finally admitted compassion isn't your motive.

Ignorant I'm not. Experience is what I have a lot of.

In a dispensary like yours, it would cost me roughly $60k a year to provide for my family's needs. My wife's needs are enormous. She had cancer three times before she started using Cannabis at saturation levels, nearly twenty years ago. She's remained in remission, ever since.

Why not post your price list? Let's SEE how "compassionate" you are, asshole. I have several friends who own dispensaries. I understand WHY prices are high. I've also been associated with a dispensary(no money involved) that IS compassionate. Their top price is $200/oz. They grow all their meds, in house. They are non profit. Employees receive meager salaries but are true believers and would never leave. They provide free meds to indigent patients, and even some in home care, if needed. They also employ RNs for screening and health care services.

Do you do any of that?

Yeah, you're a bad guy.

I have a piece of paper over my desk. It starts, "We the People".

Why don't you read it? And then compare what it says with what happens in our government and legal system daily?

You might notice a disparity, any time the justice system, or corporate heavy hitters stand to profit.

Suggesting that vague law carries any weight is naive at best.

And you still haven't provided text proving that personal MMJ growers won't be impacted negatively by this law.

I'm calling you mercenary because you refuse to admit the truth.

Vote NO on Prop. 19.
 
CultivationArt

CultivationArt

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boom diggity bam. dont tell us were wrong, your messing with the wrong politics.
im sure dan has a sourse as well as i do, that basiclly knows everything to happen before it really does.
cause were backing our facts up,, simply your not, at all. let us see something that backs up your argument.
please
 
veggiegardener

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stingmenot said:
If 19 passes growing and smoking marijuana becomes legal for adults in california. All the paranoid conspiracy talk, all the legal nit-picking is a mask for profit fear. I don't care about your anger.
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Read the above posts to find out WHY I feel as I do, YFI.
 
veggiegardener

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stingmenot said:
I have read them.
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So explain your accusation of greed. If I was greedy, I'd have taken some of the offers I've had from dispensaries to grow or manage for them.

I retired a couple years ago because I'm tired. I want to garden, and I DON'T want some town clowns rattling my cage.

(To all) Are YOU willing to provide(free of course) my short fall in meds if I'm right? I doubt it.

Will you grow organically, as I do?

Will you take care to keep the plants clean to minimize dust, bugs and bird poop?

I spent about 300 hours, over ten weeks, to trim and store our meds, last fall.

This is a labor of love, and allowing you greed bags to ruin it with bad law is anathema to me.
 
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veggiegardener said:
So explain your accusation of greed. If I was greedy, I'd have taken some of the offers I've had from dispensaries to grow or manage for them.

I retired a couple years ago because I'm tired. I want to garden, and I DON'T want some town clowns rattling my cage.

(To all) Are YOU willing to provide(free of course) my short fall in meds if I'm right? I doubt it.

Will you grow organically, as I do?

Will you take care to keep the plants clean to minimize dust, bugs and bird poop?

I spent about 300 hours, over ten weeks, to trim and store our meds, last fall.

This is a labor of love, and allowing you greed bags to ruin it with bad law is anathema to me.
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I said profit fear not greed was my take on your arguments.
How about this to get a bit more froth on your mouth, i believe marijuana is over priced.
 
whietiger88101

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I just dont understand why america would make cannabis illegal in the first place ? who let the jews into office and ruin america !
 
Dan Kone

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veggiegardener said:
If your top prices are under $200/oz I apologize. BUT you are likely another jerk who pays growers $1500/lb and sell for $375. What IS your top price?
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Why all the attacks on me? What'd I do to you? none of the above is true and I don't feel compelled to play alone with this mock trial of my character.

We now know where you are coming from. 19 is about $$$, for you.

I'm glad you finally admitted compassion isn't your motive.
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Why is making money evil? Do you think all medical vendors are doing it out of compassion and not to make money? Do you really think all the large NorCal outdoor grows are done out of compassion?

Why is it so bad to start a legitimate business? Do you think your local bakery is evil for making a profit?

Why not post your price list? Let's SEE how "compassionate" you are, asshole.
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You're putting me on trial and talking down to me at the same time. Do you really expect me to be cooperative with you?
 
Sure Shot

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fdd2blk said:
but it's true. ;)
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The first 4 statements in that video are in fact opinions, not facts. None of which can be proved or disproved.

The only new issue that video even touches upon, is that marijuana could be sold in grocery stores.
Maybe they can shorten the liquor isle or move the cigarettes.
I'm sure they will find room.

Anything else mentioned in the video are things that will derive direct benifit from this proposal.

This is nothing but politics as usual. Otherwise known as fear mongering!
 
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