Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19

[Sure Shot]

That's why we need to keep mj to ourselves.... f the govt...

There will always be government.
Even in the jungles full of guerrilla combatants, government exists.
Because government simply means; an organization that exercise authority on it's subjects.
So if you subject yourself to any society. You are then subjecting yourself to authority.
Running water, electricity, yadda, yadda, yadda., all require government for stabilization.
If you enjoy them, then you enjoy government to a larger extent then you might realize.

 

[Dan Kone]

It might be worth educating yourselves about how black market economies work.(Think Russia after the fall of socialism.)

lol. Clearly you're educated about the economy if you know about Russia and the fall of socialism. I heard that was almost as bad as the fall of communism in the Soviet Union. Either way, comparing communist soviet Russia to prop 19 is lol.

You'd be a lot better off if you stuck to topics you knew about. Russians didn't turn to the black market to avoid taxes. They did so because of shortages which lead to rationing, bread lines, etc. It wasn't because they didn't want to buy taxed goods. It's because there weren't enough of those goods to buy.

Probably the worst comparison to prop 19 I've ever heard. You just failed the "are you smarter than a 5th grader" test. That info is in every elementary school/jr high social studies book in America. come on now.....

They've bought the Oakland city government, with promises of huge permit fees and taxes.

That is actually true. Richard Lee/Oaksterdam does ALOT of the fund raising for current city counsel member mayor candidate Rebecca Kaplan and several other counsel members. Google Richard Lee and Rebecca Kaplan and several of the results will be fund raising events conducted by Oaksterdam employees.

But that's 2 cities out of over 450 cities in California. Should we really vote against prop 19 because 2 cities have shitty local governments? That's a bunch of crap.

 

[Needofweed]

oh what ever!
hes not talking about government in general, more like big out of contorl massive government that try and control damn near every aspect of it citizens through regulations, taxation and more.

 

[Needofweed]

those cities are model cities that the rest will follow.

 

[Dan Kone]

If people are growing, selling and smoking pot just to get stoned ....the Feds will probably get over their case of couch lock and start enforcing their laws....that will definatley effect medical patients

Actually, prop 19 will have the opposite effect.

Prop 19 prohibits local/state police from working with the DEA on cannabis cases. The DEA isn't a large organization. There are only ~5000 DEA agents tasked with covering the entire world. The DNA doesn't have the manpower to fuck with medical patients without the assistance of local/state police. Since prop 19 stops that, it makes California safer for medical patients.

 

[nathenking]

Our gov't is too big... they should stay out of the MJ business... Tax a plant?? Yeah right, its not even rational...

 

[Dan Kone]

those cities are model cities that the rest will follow.

bullshit. I know for a fact my city/county won't. Many won't. Like usual, you're just saying whatever you think sounds good without any concern for the truth.

 

[Dan Kone]

Our gov't is too big... they should stay out of the MJ business... Tax a plant?? Yeah right, its not even rational...

Show me where prop 19 adds a tax to cannabis.

 

[Needofweed]

yeah and if local police refuse to help the feds guess what NO more federal funding.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

bullshit. I know for a fact my city/county won't. Many won't. Like usual, you're just saying whatever you think sounds good without any concern for the truth.

So, you got yours and you could care less about what happens to anyone else. Between this and your profit motives, you are a prime example of who really wants this bill to pass and exactly why to vote no. This bill exacts a pretty hefty price for the sake of establishing your retail market.

 

[Needofweed]

are you serious Dan Kone. Thay say it themselfs that there model cities.
Look what happen when 1 city put and band on mmj dispenseries, every other city in the state either drastically resticted dispenseries or right out banded them all together.

 

[Needofweed]

btw it only called, tax regulate and control act .
TAX

 

[Sure Shot]

oh what ever!
hes not talking about government in general, more like big out of contorl massive government that try and control damn near every aspect of it citizens through regulations, taxation and more.

Are you propsing that, "f the govt...", is not a generalized term?

 

[Dan Kone]

So, you got yours and you could care less about what happens to anyone else. Between this and your profit motives, you are a prime example of who really wants this bill to pass and exactly why to vote no. This bill exacts a pretty hefty price for the sake of establishing your retail market.

Even one city or county ending prohibition is a huge improvement. We may very well have to end prohibition one city at a time. Just because one or two cities are going to try and pass stupid laws, doesn't mean the rest of California shouldn't be allowed to try and end prohibition.

As far as me personally, yeah "i got mine" by personally talking to ever member of the county board of supervisors and city counsel and explained to them how they could make prop 19 a good thing for the county with out passing restrictive laws and excessive permits. If you think I am somehow guilty of being selfish for participating in our democracy and doing my part to ending prohibition in my home town, then you must be high on something stronger than bud.

 

[Dan Kone]

yeah and if local police refuse to help the feds guess what NO more federal funding.

it'll be the law. It's not optional. If police violate the law to prosecute someone the case will be dismissed. It's not like the cops can just lie about it and choose to ignore this law. If both local police and the DEA provide evidence in a case that is proof they cooperated and the case gets tossed.

So quit with your scare tactics. Stick to reality. Like usual, you've got no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Dan Kone]

are you serious Dan Kone. Thay say it themselfs that there model cities.
Look what happen when 1 city put and band on mmj dispenseries, every other city in the state either drastically resticted dispenseries or right out banded them all together.

Really? Dispensaries are banned all across cali? Last time I checked there were thousands of them.

 

[Dan Kone]

btw it only called, tax regulate and control act .
TAX

Then it should be easy for you to show me where prop 19 adds a tax to cannabis. Oh wait, it doesn't do that.

 

[Sure Shot]

Our gov't is too big... they should stay out of the MJ business... Tax a plant?? Yeah right, its not even rational...

Government will forever grow. It's the inevitable evolution of society.
So voting no and keeping it illegal, is more rational to you?
I don't follow your logic.

 

[colonuggs]

Myth #2: The initiative will keep young adults out of jail for using marijuana.

Fact: This initiative would put more young people in jail for pot. If it becomes law, any adult 21 or over who passes a joint to another adult aged 18-20 would face six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. (NORML's Web site reports that the current penalty for a gift of marijuana of 1 oz. or less is a $100 fine.[9])

At 18 you are old enough to die for your country but you cant legally smoke pot??

Myth #3: You'll be able to light up freely in the privacy of your home.

Fact: That depends. Under the initiative, even adults consuming marijuana in the privacy of their homes could face arrest if there are minors present (not something one would expect from an initiative that claims to treat marijuana like alcohol and tobacco).... Current marijuana law contains no such restrictions..... Thanks to Prop. 215, which legalized marijuana for medicinal use, cannabis consumers have been legally free to smoke in the privacy of their homes since 1997.

This initiative seeks to undermine that freedom, making it absolutely illegal to smoke marijuana if there are minors present. (The initiative is ambiguous with regard to whether “present” means being in the same room as the consumer, the same house, the same apartment building, or within wafting distance—apparently leaving this up to the interpretation of judges.)

There is no exception for medical marijuana patients or for parents consuming in the presence of their own children...so you can only legally smoke when anyone under 21 is not in your presence

Myth #4: Under the initiative, anyone 21 or over will be allowed to grow marijuana in a 5’x5’ space.

Fact: Not quite. This allotment is per property, not per person. If you share a residence with other people, you’ll be sharing a 5’x5’ grow space, as well. Even if you own multiple acres that many people live on, if it is considered one parcel, the space restriction of 5’x5’ (3-6 plants) will still apply. [11] Plus, if you rent, you will be required to obtain permission from your landlord—which they may be unwilling to grant since doing so will subject them to forfeiture by the federal government.

 

[Needofweed]

go to freson theres no despenaries.
there were over 500 at one time in LA now theres alittle over 100.