God did not Create the Universe, says Hawking

Padawanbater2

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LONDON (Reuters) – God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.


In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.


"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."


Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum physics.


Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.


His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.


He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God."


In his latest book, he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God.


"That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.


Hawking, who is only able to speak through a computer-generated voice synthesizer, has a neuro muscular dystrophy that has progressed over the years and left him almost completely paralyzed.


He began suffering the disease in his early 20s but went on to establish himself as one of the world's leading scientific authorities, and has also made guest appearances in "Star Trek" and the cartoons "Futurama" and "The Simpsons."


Last year he announced he was stepping down as Cambridge University's Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, a position once held by Newton and one he had held since 1979.


"The Grand Design" is due to go on sale next week.
 

redivider

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i wonder what life is like for that guy.

to wake up every day thinking you are one of the most brilliant minds in the world at that point in time. to think that you may be able to figure out the most intimate secrets of the universe.

you think he would give up all of that, all of the prizes, all of the research, if the devil promised him he would get up from the seat once he did??

that would be the ultimate irony....
 

fdd2blk

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i wonder what life is like for that guy.

to wake up every day thinking you are one of the most brilliant minds in the world at that point in time. to think that you may be able to figure out the most intimate secrets of the universe.

you think he would give up all of that, all of the prizes, all of the research, if the devil promised him he would get up from the seat once he did??

that would be the ultimate irony....
what are you talking about? :roll:
 

redivider

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if the devil, one of gods original creations, offered stephen hawking his nerves back (you know, since hawking is disabled) and he could get up, and be normal if hawking were to give up his mind and become a post master, or something of the sort....

that would be the ultimate irony....

he makes a case against god existing in his new book......
 

fdd2blk

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if the devil, one of gods original creations, offered stephen hawking his nerves back (you know, since hawking is disabled) and he could get up, and be normal if hawking were to give up his mind and become a post master, or something of the sort....

that would be the ultimate irony....

he makes a case against god existing in his new book......
if a dinosaur ate him it would be kinda funny.


:neutral:
 

bobbyhopefeild

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if the devil, one of gods original creations, offered stephen hawking his nerves back (you know, since hawking is disabled) and he could get up, and be normal if hawking were to give up his mind and become a post master, or something of the sort....

that would be the ultimate irony....


he makes a case against god existing in his new book......
i think your missing the point with this thread:roll:
 

redivider

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there's no point to the thread mang.

it's just a copy/pasted article.

i'm giving it a point... what about if hawking goes to church, and a 'miracle healer' actually heals part of his condition??? i mean through a miracle..... what would hawking have to say?????
 

Balzac89

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there's no point to the thread mang.

it's just a copy/pasted article.

i'm giving it a point... what about if hawking goes to church, and a 'miracle healer' actually heals part of his condition??? i mean through a miracle..... what would hawking have to say?????
What if you were suddenly crippled for life?
 

Mr.KushMan

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The thing is he wouldn't be normal Stephen Hawking if that happened. Right now he is Stephen Hawking, that would be some weird quantum replica! Besides his inability to move allows him to introspect in ways none of us could ever imagine. Which is likely why he is such a champion of his field.

As far as that the universe pulled itself it existence, it has been shown mathematically that nothingness is so unstable universe are constantly being pulled in and out of existence. Its called the plank field where in a vacuum energy is popping into our universe and annihilating itself, which is also why blackholes emit small energy fields that shouldn't technically be there. This area, the plank scale, also reveals the cosmic background radiation that displays an image of what the universe looked like just as it cooled enough to form the hydrogen and helium that inhabits most of it for a good portion of its infancy.

All these things are still technically theoretical, but what isn't. I really hope that a universal equation to everything, likely a very simple fractal equation like; U+2><42.00000000000000000000001. :)

Peace
 

upthearsenal

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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," - even if it is just copy/paste, it's fucking brilliant.
 

Raptured

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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," - even if it is just copy/paste, it's fucking brilliant.
Nah I don't buy it. I am not religious, but because gravity exists, everything exists?? That isn't brilliant to me at all. Thats a fucking cop out of epic fail. You can't get something from nothing and we are know wheres near understanding these things. All we have is extreme leap of faith like theories to figure out what happend before the big bang. Or why 90% of the universe appears to be missing.. when in fact we are probably just missing a key factor that we cannot comprehend or simply over looked.
 

robert 14617

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Nah I don't buy it. I am not religious, but because gravity exists, everything exists?? That isn't brilliant to me at all. Thats a fucking cop out of epic fail. You can't get something from nothing and we are know wheres near understanding these things. All we have is extreme leap of faith like theories to figure out what happend before the big bang. Or why 90% of the universe appears to be missing.. when in fact we are probably just missing a key factor that we cannot comprehend or simply over looked.
don't forget we may never understand how rosie odonnel got her own show
 

g0dl1ke

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"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist"
But what created the Spontaneousness ??? lmao its a circle it goes round and round, feel the flow Happy.
 

Padawanbater2

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Nah I don't buy it. I am not religious, but because gravity exists, everything exists?? That isn't brilliant to me at all. Thats a fucking cop out of epic fail. You can't get something from nothing and we are know wheres near understanding these things. All we have is extreme leap of faith like theories to figure out what happend before the big bang. Or why 90% of the universe appears to be missing.. when in fact we are probably just missing a key factor that we cannot comprehend or simply over looked.
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Raptured

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Yeah I respect that physicist but that still does nothing to satisfy my overall enlightenment on this particular matter. I know he does but I do not understand what total energy 0 means. Does that mean there is a balance between positive and negative energy? Something had to get the ball rolling at some point.. something had to occur to allow space time to even exist. Or at least the ability to exist.
 
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