Palin On Health Bill

jeff f

jeff f

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now as i print this i would respectfully ask that you haters please stick to the subjuct. i really dont care if you think palin is dumb. just read the article and see if you were fooled. and if you have issue with something please try to supply impirical evedence to the contrary. for me, this is a "i told ya so moment". i am interested in what others think
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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c.h.u.d. said:
I can see russia from my house
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but i can't see the article from my browser.:dunce:

also, what is a 'subjuct' and 'impirical evedence'?

i have some empirical evidence that someone may not know much about any subject.

[video=youtube;npUMUASwaec]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec[/video]

"But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Helping the — Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas.

And trade we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. ALl those things under the umbrella of job creation.

This bailout is a part of that."
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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All I know is President Obama said “If you have insurance that you like you will be able to keep it”. He also said it would get cheaper. It’s all a load of crap. I got a packet in the mail the other day notifying me my insurance plan is changing because of the new regulations. The costs of the new plans are drastically higher. Now that’s change that really hurts my wallet. Also not one of them covers the dentist I’ve been seeing for the last 6 or 7 years. There are no cost savings in this disaster of a law. Obama Care will create over 100 new government bureaucracies.
[video=youtube;U0XCl6OHgiM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0XCl6OHgiM&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

I’m just glad the lying bastard will have his legislative balls cut off in November. Hopefully the damn republicans can stick to their word this time. Last time they had control they doubling the size of government in 10 years. So we might be fucked either way.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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jeff f said:
sorry bout that. i see the first 2 guys are total lemmings. at least you realized i forgot the link.
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i picked on you for that too, where's my honorable mention?

normally, when you write an essay like she did (or had her handlers pen), your introductory paragraph has something to do with the rest of what is in the essay. This essay surprised me, as she started the essay talking about the new provisions that take effect today, but discussed existing problems with the system not yet addressed by the patient protection and affordable care act.

here are the provisions that went into effect today. jeff, i would love to see which of these you object to. we can do the same on jan 1, when the next set of provisions take effect.


Effective September 23, 2010
  • Dependents (children) will be permitted to remain on their parents' insurance plan until their 26th birthday,[41] and regulations implemented under the Act include dependents that no longer live with their parents, are not a dependent on a parent’s tax return, are no longer a student, or are married.[42][43]
  • Insurers are prohibited from excluding pre-existing medical conditions (except in grandfathered individual health insurance plans) for children under the age of 19.[44][45]
  • Insurers are prohibited from charging co-payments or deductibles for Level A or Level B preventive care and medical screenings on all new insurance plans.[46]
  • Individuals affected by the Medicare Part D coverage gap will receive a $250 rebate, and 50% of the gap will be eliminated in 2011.[47] The gap will be eliminated by 2020.
  • Insurers' abilities to enforce annual spending caps will be restricted, and completely prohibited by 2014.[31]
  • Insurers are prohibited from dropping policyholders when they get sick.[31]
  • Insurers are required to reveal details about administrative and executive expenditures.[31]
  • Insurers are required to implement an appeals process for coverage determination and claims on all new plans.[31]
  • Indoor tanning services are subjected to a 10% service tax.[31]
  • Enhanced methods of fraud detection are implemented.[31]
  • Medicare is expanded to small, rural hospitals and facilities.[31]
  • Non-profit Blue Cross insurers are required to maintain a loss ratio (money spent on procedures over money incoming) of 85% or higher to take advantage of IRS tax benefits.[31]
  • Companies which provide early retiree benefits for individuals aged 55–64 are eligible to participate in a temporary program which reduces premium costs.[31]
  • A new website installed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services will provide consumer insurance information for individuals and small businesses in all states.[31]
  • A temporary credit program is established to encourage private investment in new therapies for disease treatment and prevention.[31]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Effective_September_23.2C_2010
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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Tina Fay said that on SNL. Palin said you can see Russia from Alaska. It’s a funny skit though.
c.h.u.d. said:
I can see russia from my house
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[video=youtube;JXL86v8NoGk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk[/video]

[video=youtube;eXVIwo5fLYs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXVIwo5fLYs&feature=related[/video]
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BudMcLovin said:
I got a packet in the mail the other day notifying me my insurance plan is changing because of the new regulations. The costs of the new plans are drastically higher.
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i got my rates raised every year i had health insurance anyway. now they just have something to blame it on. you blame the actions of the greedy, record profit making health insurers on the dude who made sure they can't drop you when you get sick or deny you for any one of an infinite list of pre-existing conditions. credit where credit is due, and be sure not to forget that those insurers tripled your rates over the last however many years anyway.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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UncleBuck said:
but she did say this!
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And...?

Can you disprove anything she said?

Does not Alaska share a border with Canada, and an extremely close maritime boundary with Russia?

Geographically speaking, the United states is very close to Russia.

Choose your battles wisely, Buck.
 
W

Wordz

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Johnnyorganic said:
And...?

Can you disprove anything she said?

Does not Alaska share a border with Canada, and an extremely close maritime boundary with Russia?

Geographically speaking, the United states is very close to Russia.

Choose your battles wisely, Buck.
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does putin fly into alaskan air space ever?? naww. chose them there battles wisely
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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UncleBuck said:
i got my rates raised every year i had health insurance anyway. now they just have something to blame it on. you blame the actions of the greedy, record profit making health insurers on the dude who made sure they can't drop you when you get sick or deny you for any one of an infinite list of pre-existing conditions. credit where credit is due, and be sure not to forget that those insurers tripled your rates over the last however many years anyway.
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Instead of drinking the kool aid do a little research. Insurance companies are not making record profits right now.

“UnitedHealth Group had reported its earnings for the second quarter of 2009, which beat analysts’ expectations with profit of $859 million. Still, other quarters have been more profitable for the insurer, such as the first quarter of 2008, when profit rang in at $994 million”

“In general, the health insurance industry did poorly toward the end of 2008 and in the first quarter of 2009, so record profits weren’t likely in the second quarter.”

“Obama was right about one thing: Health insurance premiums have gone up. The average premium for a family with employer-sponsored insurance rose 5 percent from 2007 to 2008, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, and has more than doubled since 1999. Figures for 2009 haven’t been calculated yet.” Quotes From Here

I’d like to see the statistics on how many people are dropped by insurance companies. I know several people who have pre existing conditions that have health insurance. You just have to be willing to pay for it.

You say credit where credit is due but the man has only done 2 things I agree with and neither one of them have anything to do with health care. It’s a disaster and it’s going to make things worse not better. I’m not saying things don’t need to change but Obama Care is not it.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Wordz said:
does putin fly into alaskan air space ever?? naww. chose them there battles wisely
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Yeah, because it's all about Putin.

Not the fact that it is 55 miles across Bering Strait from Cape Prince of Wales in Alaska to Cape Dezhnev in Russia.

Or that Big Diomede Island (part of Russia) is less than 3 miles away from Little Diomede Island (part of Alaska).

No diplomacy required there. :dunce:
Wordz said:
here's a map i made for a basic geography lesson
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If you believe the world is flat, then basic is good enough. :dunce::dunce:
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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UncleBuck said:
not my job to do so. she made the assertions that being close to russia enhanced her foreign policy credentials in general. the burden of proof is on her.
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So you deny that sharing borders with two foreign powers enhances her foreign policy credentials?

If you are making that assertion, then the burden of proof is on you. :-P
 
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