Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19

colonuggs

colonuggs

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crazy man....it took the financial downfall of our country to get marijuan out of prohabition (soon it wiil be)...kind of like in the great depression...alcohol became legal and taxed...helped the country out of the great depression ....that along with a war:)

In the end its all about $$...dont fool yourselfs.....If we all grew our own there would be no need for mass production...anyone can grow weed

How many people you know have $210,000 to start a marijuana farm (thats not even including the warehouse cost or cost of running the place)...not non of my friends...we all poor stoners... thats the cost of my house.....The Rich will get richer...as always


I have grown my own weed for 20 yrs ....I havent had to buy any weed for 20yrs....its a weed.. Marijunana never should have been made illegal in the first place
 
GanjaAL

GanjaAL

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Yup... my town just banned all dispensories and any and all sales... so that is going to kinda hard in my part of the woods.

Also when prop19 becomes law... they will have all the backing they need. However if prop19 does not go into effect... we have a chance at fighting it.

Sucks... but alot of people that I know who were holding out on a decision for prop19 will be getting their rec and will be voting no as our area is not even fond of mmj.
 
Turtlehermit

Turtlehermit

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GanjaAL I know isnt it just sad how people are actually falling for this prop19 s***. Just wait till it gets voted on and they will realize it.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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I'm still trying to figure out why going from a 0 square foot garden to a legal 25 square foot garden is bad? I'm still trying to figure out how less arrests and prosecutions are bad?

I understand the arguments about legalization vs decriminalization. What I don't understand is why anyone that smokes marijuana would be against this, unless of course they have a mmj card, but even then, this law doesn't change your rights or access. I don't buy the argument that if this doesn't pass that a better bill will come along. By passing this law, you are putting pressure on the White House and the DEA to take marijuana off of schedule one. The reason? It's hard to imagine a grower in Ca faces no persecution yet a grower in Arizona or Florida faces 10-15 years.

No one ever thought that the DEA would back off of MM states, but they have. I believe they will also honor prop 19. If this goes to court, it will become a matter of states rights vs Federal responsibilities. It is not in the unions interest to prohibit that which a state's voters has approved. Yes there will be dissenters, just as there are in alcohol and cigarettes. Those two items are legal and kill millions of Americans each year and cost us Billions in care and social programs. Continuing to keep MJ on the schedule one of drugs is ludicrous. Passing prop 19 will make it obvious to everyone.
 
tc1

tc1

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California is the world's 4th largest economy ....

If they legalize marijuana, it is going to have profound implications for everyone else ... especially with the way the economy is.
This is the nuclear bomb we've been waiting for.
 
Turtlehermit

Turtlehermit

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Um Serapis isnt Prop19 gonna change and limit grows down dramatically? Isnt it gonna make it to where you got to grow in a tiny cramped area? For me my plan is to get a medical card for my condition and I don't wanna buy my medicine so I plan on growing it. If this Prop19 screws it up for me I am gonna be mad. lol
Serapis said:
I'm still trying to figure out why going from a 0 square foot garden to a legal 25 square foot garden is bad? I'm still trying to figure out how less arrests and prosecutions are bad?

I understand the arguments about legalization vs decriminalization. What I don't understand is why anyone that smokes marijuana would be against this, unless of course they have a mmj card, but even then, this law doesn't change your rights or access. I don't buy the argument that if this doesn't pass that a better bill will come along. By passing this law, you are putting pressure on the White House and the DEA to take marijuana off of schedule one. The reason? It's hard to imagine a grower in Ca faces no persecution yet a grower in Arizona or Florida faces 10-15 years.

No one ever thought that the DEA would back off of MM states, but they have. I believe they will also honor prop 19. If this goes to court, it will become a matter of states rights vs Federal responsibilities. It is not in the unions interest to prohibit that which a state's voters has approved. Yes there will be dissenters, just as there are in alcohol and cigarettes. Those two items are legal and kill millions of Americans each year and cost us Billions in care and social programs. Continuing to keep MJ on the schedule one of drugs is ludicrous. Passing prop 19 will make it obvious to everyone.
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Turtlehermit

Turtlehermit

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If things are different and this bill gets voted out, who knows maybe something better might come along. It's just a what if. I for one would like a change in the states thoughts on marijuana. I am not for nor against Prop19 but if it does get voted in I would love to see scientists do more research on it and figure out more about it. Maybe it will help more people. With all the lies out there about it, they don't even wanna bother with it, but maybe if it got legalized with this Prop19 it could force them to do more studies on it so that some of this bad shadows on the plant will be lighten and it will come legal in more parts of the country. Who knows but maybe I am wrong and the government will treat it like its been treated and act like its just a gimmick. If that happens when Prop19 gets voted in you might as well consider us screwed because once the bill is in the government has complete control over it, then they can say whatever they want and do as they want. So people please think wisely before you vote.
 
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growone

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Turtlehermit said:
...If that happens when Prop19 gets voted in you might as well consider us screwed because once the bill is in the government has complete control over it, then they can say whatever they want and do as they want. ...
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Complete control? Isn't that that what they have now?
In reality, they lost control, illegal or not. The law just doesn't have the bite it used to, too many people doing what they want.
Don't like the idea of buying taxed government controlled weed? Don't buy it.
Keep doing what you're doing, growing your own or buying through your underground sources.
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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Right now my garden is xompletely legal.

19 would reduce my grow area by 92%

Don't even tell me MMJ gardens are exempt.

There is no language in 19 excluding MMJ gardens from the 25 square foot limit.

Vote NO on 19.

It's bad law.
 
luvourmother

luvourmother

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veggiegardener said:
Right now my garden is xompletely legal.

19 would reduce my grow area by 92%

Don't even tell me MMJ gardens are exempt.

There is no language in 19 excluding MMJ gardens from the 25 square foot limit.
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Maybe u should talk to Ruiner, he/she seems to think otherwise:
"Since there is so much debate over the 5x5 and cultivation in general, and the (possible) overlap between that part of the bill and the CUA/MMP, if 19 passes, will people still be able to get doctors rec's and, by what everyone is saying, cultivate however much they want, without restrictions in regards to growing space? Therefore, in order to be part of the action in commerce, ordinary people will simply need to get a doctors rec to grow, and distribute as much as they possibly can to dispensaries and other patients, and quite possibly to the "black market" ? What would be the point of passing all new legislation that can be so easily cast aside? What good does 19 do the state, if all it takes to avoid what will more than likely be thousands of dollars in taxes annually is a $35 doctors rec?"
 
Turtlehermit

Turtlehermit

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I don't buy it haha. You can yap all day about how the government has complete control the truth is they only have control because us stoners are to lazy to gtfu and protest like 60s style. Whatever you think though.
 
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vradd

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Turtlehermit said:
I don't buy it haha. You can yap all day about how the government has complete control the truth is they only have control because us stoners are to lazy to gtfu and protest like 60s style. Whatever you think though.
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100%. and this is what it comes down to.
 
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growone

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Turtlehermit said:
I don't buy it haha. You can yap all day about how the government has complete control the truth is they only have control because us stoners are to lazy to gtfu and protest like 60s style. Whatever you think though.
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to make clear, i meant that on paper(i.e. by the law) government has complete control
on paper is not equal to reality, in reality government control of MJ has slipped, it's just too much for them to keep up, except for the very large growers
and they don't seem to be doing much of a job there either
if you live in cali, and don't want to vote, that's your choice
kind of strange to criticize the proposition then say you won't bother to vote
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Turtlehermit said:
Um Serapis isnt Prop19 gonna change and limit grows down dramatically? Isnt it gonna make it to where you got to grow in a tiny cramped area? For me my plan is to get a medical card for my condition and I don't wanna buy my medicine so I plan on growing it. If this Prop19 screws it up for me I am gonna be mad. lol
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Medical card Growersd are not affected by prop 19. The 25 sq foot grow area is for ANYONE over 21 years of age.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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veggiegardener said:
Right now my garden is xompletely legal.

19 would reduce my grow area by 92%

Don't even tell me MMJ gardens are exempt.

There is no language in 19 excluding MMJ gardens from the 25 square foot limit.

Vote NO on 19.

It's bad law.
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Parts 7,6,and 8 of the proposition SPECIFICALLY exclude marijuana patients. And pray tell, what disastrous disease or malady are you suffering from? Allergies? Not everyone has a card, even as easy as it appears to be to get one. You have pain clinics popping up all over Cali to offer MMJ paperwork to anyone that comes in and pays for it. Prop 19 is for people that won't take that route. 215 was for dying and severe suffering, not what some of you have made it out to be. As I stated, only ones against 19 are those abusing 215. ^^^^ evidence
 
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