Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19

[mr2shim]

this is excerpted from the purposes section of prop 19
i interpret this as meaning limits for medical grows are not to be affected by prop 19, i also interpret the scope of this to apply to the whole of the proposition

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9. 8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9. 9.

Yea, that doesn't sound like it's going to affect prop 215 at all. So where did this craziness come from?

 

[luvourmother]

Yea, that doesn't sound like it's going to affect prop 215 at all. So where did this craziness come from?

I agree, 19 doesn't change 215, medical growers will still have the same rights to grow under 215 as they have right now. Judging from the posts on this forum, the hysteria created at local dispensaries, and media coverage the only people that are against 19 are those that are currently making $ abusing our medical marijuana system.
It is greed plain and simple, the same reason marijuana was made illegal in the first place...

 

[Turtlehermit]

I will be looking forward to weed legalization. Does anyone know if weed will ever be legal in Texas? Anyone at all? God I hate living in Texas.

 

[veggiegardener]

this is excerpted from the purposes section of prop 19
i interpret this as meaning limits for medical grows are not to be affected by prop 19, i also interpret the scope of this to apply to the whole of the proposition

7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9. 8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9. 9.

Kelly eliminated the plant numbers issue, but the ONLY place anywhere, that grow size is limited is prop 19.

This leaves the doors open to courts who wish to rule that medical grows are only limited as Prop 19 ALLOWS. 25 square feet.

Without a specific exemption within the text of Prop 19, the situation is ambiguous.

Believe it or not, our justice system is corrupt and will use any tool it can get to justify its existence.

Prop 19 is full of loopholes that can be interpreted in hundreds of different ways, in various jurisdictions.

This is bad law.

I've been involved in this fight for a very long time.

I'd hate to see us settle for junk when a good law would resolve ALL the issues left unanswered by prop 19.

Considering how varied politics are around this state, I think we'll find people living a hundred miles away from a legal oz in a jurisdiction that enjoys harassing pot heads with bogus ordinances.(Rancho Cordova's permit fees of $600 sq. ft.)

 

[mr2shim]

I will be looking forward to weed legalization. Does anyone know if weed will ever be legal in Texas? Anyone at all? God I hate living in Texas.

If prop 19 passes in Cali next month, I'd imagine a few states that already do MMJ will follow suit. Texas? lol, they'll probably be right behind Alabama with legalization in 2080.

 

[growone]

Kelly eliminated the plant numbers issue, but the ONLY place anywhere, that grow size is limited is prop 19.

This leaves the doors open to courts who wish to rule that medical grows are only limited as Prop 19 ALLOWS. 25 square feet.

Without a specific exemption within the text of Prop 19, the situation is ambiguous.

Believe it or not, our justice system is corrupt and will use any tool it can get to justify its existence.

Prop 19 is full of loopholes that can be interpreted in hundreds of different ways, in various jurisdictions.

This is bad law.

I've been involved in this fight for a very long time.

I'd hate to see us settle for junk when a good law would resolve ALL the issues left unanswered by prop 19.

Considering how varied politics are around this state, I think we'll find people living a hundred miles away from a legal oz in a jurisdiction that enjoys harassing pot heads with bogus ordinances.(Rancho Cordova's permit fees of $600 sq. ft.)

this is manufacturing fear for the sake of fear
ultimately, it will be the california supreme court that will set the interpretation
if the process was as corrupt as you state, you would not have MMJ, the court system would have negated 215 through various means
how many of your Mormon neighbors do you think will be voting for 19 in the expectation to limit MMJ grow sizes?
none of the district attorneys and law enforcement that are against prop 19 seem to have such an interpretation
they're scared of it, and make no secret of that they are scared of it
again, your vote is your choice, but when you start voting in the same way that every california DEA agent is going to vote, i'd think you have to question your thoughts on 19

 

[veggiegardener]

this is manufacturing fear for the sake of fear
ultimately, it will be the california supreme court that will set the interpretation
if the process was as corrupt as you state, you would not have MMJ, the court system would have negated 215 through various means
how many of your Mormon neighbors do you think will be voting for 19 in the expectation to limit MMJ grow sizes?
none of the district attorneys and law enforcement that are against prop 19 seem to have such an interpretation
they're scared of it, and make no secret of that they are scared of it
again, your vote is your choice, but when you start voting in the same way that every california DEA agent is going to vote, i'd think you have to question your thoughts on 19

If 19 were well written and actually does the things it claims(legalization) I would support it, wholeheartedly.

It doesn't, and won't without years of court battles.

Why vote to make lawyers and a few commercial growers rich?

You think you'll be one of them?

I've posted facts.

Unfortunately as with the Bushies, the 19 supporters refuse to read(or understand).

LOL!

 

[veggiegardener]

If prop 19 passes in Cali next month, I'd imagine a few states that already do MMJ will follow suit. Texas? lol, they'll probably be right behind Alabama with legalization in 2080.

Dreamer.

The court battles we'll have here will dissuade any other states from trying for a VERY long time. I doubt I'll live to see state #2.

 

[The Ruiner]

Dreamer.

The court battles we'll have here will dissuade any other states from trying for a VERY long time. I doubt I'll live to see state #2.

There isnt even going to be a state #1 if it passes...

 

[veggiegardener]

this is manufacturing fear for the sake of fear
ultimately, it will be the california supreme court that will set the interpretation
if the process was as corrupt as you state, you would not have MMJ, the court system would have negated 215 through various means
how many of your Mormon neighbors do you think will be voting for 19 in the expectation to limit MMJ grow sizes?
none of the district attorneys and law enforcement that are against prop 19 seem to have such an interpretation
they're scared of it, and make no secret of that they are scared of it
again, your vote is your choice, but when you start voting in the same way that every california DEA agent is going to vote, i'd think you have to question your thoughts on 19

Do you live in California? Do you read?

It took over a decade to settle most of the many issues left open by 215 and 420.

19 is far muddier than they were.

The justice system went to great lengths to ignore both statutes until the CA Supreme Court had a moment of clarity.

I'm betting that no DA's office in California has spent the necessary to study this bill.

They're short handed, and very busy, prosecuting everybody they can, in support of the prison system.

California has lots of prisons that need to remain full, if all those employees are to keep their jobs.

It's about the only growth industry in California, right now.

Go rob a liquor store if you want to help.

If you won't, they'll probably get you for having 30 grams, or your grow takes 26 square feet.

I posted all my reasons a bunch of times.

I've only written about 1700 posts.

Search, and you will find.

 

[veggiegardener]

There isnt even going to be a state #1 if it passes...

Good point.

No...

Exactly the point!

NO on 19, if you value your freedom.

 

[Serapis]

Kelly eliminated the plant numbers issue, but the ONLY place anywhere, that grow size is limited is prop 19.

This leaves the doors open to courts who wish to rule that medical grows are only limited as Prop 19 ALLOWS. 25 square feet.

Without a specific exemption within the text of Prop 19, the situation is ambiguous.

Your logic and reasoning are flawed here. Why would a court of law, in deciding a 215 issue, refer to prop 19, which has nothing to do with compassionate medical usage? Several lawyers have already made this case, and you and others against 19 refuse to accept that. In fact, your arguments perfectly orchestrate what I have been saying all along; ""the only smokers fighting 19 are medical marijuana smokers."" That in and of it's self tells me 215 is abused.

 

[The Ruiner]

I do...that's why I am voting no.

Why on earth would I vote my constitutional rights away and make myself a criminal? It makes no sense.

 

[Serapis]

Good point.

NO on 19, if you value your freedom.

ROFLMAO...... you sound like a Republican alarmist with no platform to stand on. All they do is campaign by creating fear.... Prop 19 opens up freedoms many in america would die for. The fact that some of you have compassionate use cards for "Seriously ill Californians" is the true definition of abuse of freedoms.

Vote YES on 19 and lead the nation in formulating sensible marijuana laws.

 

[Serapis]

I do...that's why I am voting no.

Why on earth would I vote my constitutional rights away and make myself a criminal? It makes no sense.

You have the constitutional right to grow marijuana? You have the constitutional right to purchase marijuana?

If you are going to be against something and preach it day and night, how about using details and facts? The scare mongering is getting old.

 

[veggiegardener]

Your logic and reasoning are flawed here. Why would a court of law, in deciding a 215 issue, refer to prop 19, which has nothing to do with compassionate medical usage? Several lawyers have already made this case, and you and others against 19 refuse to accept that. In fact, your arguments perfectly orchestrate what I have been saying all along; ""the only smokers fighting 19 are medical marijuana smokers."" That in and of it's self tells me 215 is abused.

Critical reading is your friend.

If you read carefully, those attorneys never directly address our concerns, instead skirting them with erroneous blanket statements.

In this case, I'm predicting what WILL happen if 19 passes.

Kinda silly to interpret my comments, otherwise.

 

[budling357]

These are the majority against prop19= MMJ consumers, drug dealers, law enforcement, alcohol industry, etc...

All have their own agendas.

 

[The Ruiner]

Your logic and reasoning are flawed here. Why would a court of law, in deciding a 215 issue, refer to prop 19, which has nothing to do with compassionate medical usage? Several lawyers have already made this case, and you and others against 19 refuse to accept that. In fact, your arguments perfectly orchestrate what I have been saying all along; ""the only smokers fighting 19 are medical marijuana smokers."" That in and of it's self tells me 215 is abused.

They wouldnt be brought up under 215, they would be brought up on violations of 19. Law enforcement knows they cant win a lot of cases battling against 215, but 19, you-fucking-betcha they can and will be prosecuting people under the new provisions of 19.

 

[The Ruiner]

You have the constitutional right to grow marijuana? You have the constitutional right to purchase marijuana?

If you are going to be against something and preach it day and night, how about using details and facts? The scare mongering is getting old.

You are qualified to comment how again? Yes, I have a constitutional right to grow my cannabis. If you dont understand that, then you have absolutely no understanding of medical marijuana laws.

Where do you live again?

 

[veggiegardener]

You have the constitutional right to grow marijuana? You have the constitutional right to purchase marijuana?

If you are going to be against something and preach it day and night, how about using details and facts? The scare mongering is getting old.

I guess you ignore what you can't respond too?

Address post #177.