NO! On Prop 19

[mr2shim]

LOL!

I won a small battle today.

My sister was the biggest supporter of Prop 19 in her small city.

I told her what was up with the legal language, and she was definite that her support for Prop 19 is over.

Of course, she's bright enough to understand the implications of fuzzy legal language. Especially when 500+ separate jurisdictions get to take shots at writing more of it.

It's easy to go fox news on someone and make up a bunch of shit to change their mind. Scare tactics work much better than the truth. Hence why Marijuana is illegal.

 

[puffntuff]

If you all that are supporting prop19 think that they are gonna lower prices your sadly mistaken. California will just put a tax on it like they do gas. The huge warehouse growers will keep the price up to justify paying that high California tax and the mom and pop growers will be fucked. Once they see that people will pay a price you think they will lower it nada. Food prices cigarette prices gas prices all went up ask yourselves have they ever come back down nope. Think about it before you base your vote on hopes and not reality.

 

[veggiegardener]

It's easy to go fox news on someone and make up a bunch of shit to change their mind. Scare tactics work much better than the truth. Hence why Marijuana is illegal.

Scare tactics?

I guess that is one way to describe truth.

Grow up.

I would be a MAJOR supporter if not for the bullshit provisions and glaring exclusions.

I have been involved in the legalization movement since the 70's.

19 is an open invitation for local yokels to increase the persecution of those they find "different".

There are those that want to be left alone to live their lives, and those that insist on fucking with them.

You're apparently among the latter.

Don't give them the power.

 

[nathenking]

It's easy to go fox news on someone and make up a bunch of shit to change their mind. Scare tactics work much better than the truth. Hence why Marijuana is illegal.

Fox news, i agree... but dont forget that all news is controlled by the same people... fox, cbs, nbc, bbc... you name it... its all fabricated lies to control the masses... you have a pic of bob as your avatar... you must no this... unless your a pseudo activist???

 

[nathenking]

If you all that are supporting prop19 think that they are gonna lower prices your sadly mistaken. California will just put a tax on it like they do gas. The huge warehouse growers will keep the price up to justify paying that high California tax and the mom and pop growers will be fucked. Once they see that people will pay a price you think they will lower it nada. Food prices cigarette prices gas prices all went up ask yourselves have they ever come back down nope. Think about it before you base your vote on hopes and not reality.

finally someone connected the dots... you are completly correct... the price will not drop by any appreciable amount... people have show that they will pay a certain price... this will continue... its called good business sense...

 

[puffntuff]

That's it. California is already getting tax money from the dispensary at a certain price if they lower the price they lower the amount of taxes coming in. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. The only ones making out are the people interested in doing the warehouse grows. If you make it hard for the mom and pop growers you've just eliminated one less competition. If your worried about getting a med card they are super easy to get. Put that on the ballot limit the price of a med card to $50.

 

[EvolAlex]

You can get a med card for an eazy 50 bucks in san diego, 65 at a spot i can verify is quick and simple no paper work needed and thers a nice dispensary right across the hall. And you recieve a coupon for a free 8th

 

[mikhail chalecki]

If you all that are supporting prop19 think that they are gonna lower prices your sadly mistaken. California will just put a tax on it like they do gas. The huge warehouse growers will keep the price up to justify paying that high California tax and the mom and pop growers will be fucked. Once they see that people will pay a price you think they will lower it nada. Food prices cigarette prices gas prices all went up ask yourselves have they ever come back down nope. Think about it before you base your vote on hopes and not reality.

cigarettes are taxed up the ass too but theyre cheap. point is? if supply outweighs demand in a real market with competition. prices will drop with or without a tax

 

[mr2shim]

Fox news, i agree... but dont forget that all news is controlled by the same people... fox, cbs, nbc, bbc... you name it... its all fabricated lies to control the masses... you have a pic of bob as your avatar... you must no this... unless your a pseudo activist???

I know that, but IMO fox news is the worst at spreading bs. I don't believe anything I see on the news, in fact I don't watch the news because what you stated.

That's it. California is already getting tax money from the dispensary at a certain price if they lower the price they lower the amount of taxes coming in. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. The only ones making out are the people interested in doing the warehouse grows. If you make it hard for the mom and pop growers you've just eliminated one less competition. If your worried about getting a med card they are super easy to get. Put that on the ballot limit the price of a med card to $50.

Like with anything, mom and pop operations will always get screwed. Until you live in a world where money isn't the only currency of trade this will be the case.

 

[veggiegardener]

Cigarettes are CHEAP?

$50/carton isn't cheap. Without taxes, cigarettes would still be under $10/carton.

Most dispensaries pay only sales tax.

About $30/0z.

That $50 fee would be in addition to sales tax.

 

[mr2shim]

Cigarettes are CHEAP?

$50/carton isn't cheap. Without taxes, cigarettes would still be under $10/carton.

Most dispensaries pay only sales tax.

About $30/0z.

That $50 fee would be in addition to sales tax.

25ish bucks a carton here after taxes. Cigarette prices vs cannabis is a bit retarded if you ask me, unlike Cigarettes smoking marijuana WON'T kill you. Hence the insane tax rate they have on them now in some states. Just like Soda, in Iowa they have a junk food tax or something of the sorts. I forget what it's called but it makes unhealthy food quite expensive to buy. They impose high taxes on things like Cigarettes to try and deter people from buying them because like I said they will kill you.

It's 30 bucks an ounce? Holy shit! I'm moving to Cali after Prop 19 passes. It's $60 for an 1/8th in a place in Iowa.

 

[veggiegardener]

25ish bucks a carton here after taxes. Cigarette prices vs cannabis is a bit retarded if you ask me, unlike Cigarettes smoking marijuana WON'T kill you. Hence the insane tax rate they have on them now in some states. Just like Soda, in Iowa they have a junk food tax or something of the sorts. I forget what it's called but it makes unhealthy food quite expensive to buy. They impose high taxes on things like Cigarettes to try and deter people from buying them because like I said they will kill you.

It's 30 bucks an ounce? Holy shit! I'm moving to Cali after Prop 19 passes. It's $60 for an 1/8th in a place in Iowa.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Sales taxes in California are between 9% and 10% of sale price.

Ounces are $300 to $400.

$400 x 9.5% = $38 in SALES TAX.

 

[mr2shim]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Sales taxes in California are between 9% and 10% of sale price.

Ounces are $300 to $400.

$400 x 9.5% = $38 in SALES TAX.

Sentence structure isn't your strong suit. Here, I'll show you how you should have typed that. "Most dispensaries pay only sales tax, about $30/oz."

I like how out of everything I typed that's what you chose to criticize. Clearly shows your intent is to not have anything close to an adult like debate about why you are voting no on Prop 19. Because honestly, you haven't given one real reason.

 

[lowrider2000]

And what is wrong with paying taxes????????? do you know what the flood of money is gonna be be like especially if they do something nation wide. Some people are just selfish the economy is bad we owe 1 trillion to china wtf!!!!!!!!!!! i dont even know how many zeros that is. bottom line the government has to be nuts not to just out right fully legalize the shit nation wide. Of course there has to be restrictions and we are really far from that ever happening. So what get your card take a test each year don't drive high and what ever else they come up with.......fuck it its a step there not just gonna say ok you win here smoke blunts and do what ever the fuck you want.

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[lowrider2000]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Sales taxes in California are between 9% and 10% of sale price.

Ounces are $300 to $400.

$400 x 9.5% = $38 in SALES TAX.

OMG $38 buxxx i cant feed my family tonight W.E pay it and go home n smoke a blunt legally if you cant afford it dont buy it the rum i like is $80 bux a bottle when i can afford it i just dont drink.

 

[mr2shim]

And what is wrong with paying taxes????????? do you know what the flood of money is gonna be be like especially if they do something nation wide. Some people are just selfish the economy is bad we owe 1 trillion to china wtf!!!!!!!!!!! i dont even know how many zeros that is. bottom line the government has to be nuts not to just out right fully legalize the shit nation wide. Of course there has to be restrictions and we are really far from that ever happening. So what get your card take a test each year don't drive high and what ever else they come up with.......fuck it its a step there not just gonna say ok you win here smoke blunts and do what ever the fuck you want.

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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The estimated population of the United States is 309,268,272
so each citizen's share of this debt is $44,062.46. The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$4.17 billion per day since September 28, 2007!
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pfff That's nothing. You are clearly blowing the debt WAY out of porportion. Only 44k per person? Oh please.. That's not THAT bad considering the average American makes 10k less than that, we can easily pay that off if everyone decides to be broke for a year! Who's with me! Oh wait... That includes little kids.... hrmm it might take a little longer than a year... Living without food/water/shelter for a year or 3 is possible.. Right?

*epic sarcasm*

Here's a bit of non sarcasm. Fact: This country will never be debt free, ever. If anything the national debt will continue to increase, increasing the strangle hold on people in the Country and the world. Ever put a frog into a pot of water and slowly raised the temperature? We are the frogs. Too stupid, too blind to see what's really going on.

 

[klmmicro]

Lowrider, we owe like 7 trillion to China. The politicians that have caused 100% of the problems in this country do not know how to stay within their means.

For those that are voting no on prop 19, which of you are prepared to get a "better written" measure on the ballot in a couple of years? Can you get a straight "legalize cannabis" prop through with no carrot of tax revenue? What is your plan to get the ball rolling if 19 is not that step? The "19 is horribly written" line is old and a total waste of time when it is not backed by action to correct it. Where is this action? Anyone...???

Not a single argument on the NO side has swayed my support for 19. The NO folks seem to simply want everything to stay as it is right now: illegal unless you pay your fee to a Dr, which I do.

Please post a link to YOUR efforts to legalize...

 

[lowrider2000]

pfff That's nothing. You are clearly blowing the debt WAY out of porportion. Only 44k per person? Oh please.. That's not THAT bad considering the average American makes 10k less than that, we can easily pay that off if everyone decides to be broke for a year! Who's with me! Oh wait... That includes little kids.... hrmm it might take a little longer than a year... Living without food/water/shelter for a year or 3 is possible.. Right?

*epic sarcasm*

Here's a bit of non sarcasm. Fact: This country will never be debt free, ever. If anything the national debt will continue to increase, increasing the strangle hold on people in the Country and the world. Ever put a frog into a pot of water and slowly raised the temperature? We are the frogs. Too stupid, too blind to see what's really going on.

i was actually planning on pimping out my daughter and wife...i think i can squeeze 44 grand out of em and sending the money in an envelope to china.
i say we need to pass it we are getting greedy and picky its kinda like the first time you asked your parents to do something they kinda said no and gave you a shit load of restrictions but fuck it ight ill be home by 10 pm and wont drink....then before you know it a couple of years later you don't have to call no more and they dont give a fuck when you get home..........

 

[Burger Boss]

Sentence structure isn't your strong suit. Here, I'll show you how you should have typed that. "Most dispensaries pay only sales tax, about $30/oz."

I like how out of everything I typed that's what you chose to criticize. Clearly shows your intent is to not have anything close to an adult like debate about why you are voting no on Prop 19. Because honestly, you haven't given one real reason.

No kidding! In my last post, I mistakenly used the word "quibble" as an "act" of negotiation with government agencies. That gave Ruiner the opportunity to play cute and get all pissy about word usage, completely ignoring the intent of the message. Of course then, here comes "Nateking", declaring me rude! This from a person who would go into someone's grow journal and start making RUDE political comments. These are some desperate folks who will do or say anything to advance their losing positions....BB

 

[veggiegardener]

Lowrider, we owe like 7 trillion to China. The politicians that have caused 100% of the problems in this country do not know how to stay within their means.

For those that are voting no on prop 19, which of you are prepared to get a "better written" measure on the ballot in a couple of years? Can you get a straight "legalize cannabis" prop through with no carrot of tax revenue? What is your plan to get the ball rolling if 19 is not that step? The "19 is horribly written" line is old and a total waste of time when it is not backed by action to correct it. Where is this action? Anyone...???

Not a single argument on the NO side has swayed my support for 19. The NO folks seem to simply want everything to stay as it is right now: illegal unless you pay your fee to a Dr, which I do.

Please post a link to YOUR efforts to legalize...

That's just your inability to understand the big picture, showing.

BTW, I AM legal, and have been, for over a decade.

Why fuck with THAT?

If you aren't, that is just your laziness.

You'll pay a ton more in taxes than the cost of a recommendation, if this piece of shit passes.