Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19

[veggiegardener]

Hear hear!!!

Can't read or think for yourself?

 

[Serapis]

They wouldnt be brought up under 215, they would be brought up on violations of 19. Law enforcement knows they cant win a lot of cases battling against 215, but 19, you-fucking-betcha they can and will be prosecuting people under the new provisions of 19.

Thats ridiculous. You can't prosecute 215 patients under 19, read the prop.... sections 6, 7 and 8 specifically exclude patients under 215. 19 specifically states that provisions of 19 DO NOT apply to patients under 215. How much clearer can the language be? 19 opens up rights to those not involved in 215. Plain and simple.

 

[veggiegardener]

You are qualified to comment how again? Yes, I have a constitutional right to grow my cannabis. If you dont understand that, then you have absolutely no understanding of medical marijuana laws.

Where do you live again?

I wish I'd said that first.

 

[The Ruiner]

Vote YES on 19 and lead the nation in formulating sensible marijuana laws.

You cant even vote.

 

[Serapis]

I guess you ignore what you can't respond too?

Address post #177.

Post 177 is a self serving post by you that does not address a single fact or item in prop 19. You are doing nothing more than gazing into a crystal ball and making the most dire of predictions.

 

[budling357]

They wouldnt be brought up under 215, they would be brought up on violations of 19. Law enforcement knows they cant win a lot of cases battling against 215, but 19, you-fucking-betcha they can and will be prosecuting people under the new provisions of 19.

Were does it state anywhere that one overrides the other? It doesnt, so they dont. 215 applies to MMJ card holders and 19 applies the the remainder.

 

[veggiegardener]

Thats ridiculous. You can't prosecute 215 patients under 19, read the prop.... sections 6, 7 and 8 specifically exclude patients under 215. 19 specifically states that provisions of 19 DO NOT apply to patients under 215. How much clearer can the language be? 19 opens up rights to those not involved in 215. Plain and simple.

If you read more carefully. I mean like you actually went to school, you might realize that cultivation was NEVER mentioned, other than referring to 420 and 215, WHICH CURRENTLY INCLUDE NO RESTRICTION ON GROW SIZE.

By mentioning 25 square feet, Prop 19 brings restrictions to state law, WITHOUT EXEMPTING MMJ GROWS.

If you can't understand that, you don't understand the issues well enough to have an informed opinion.

 

[budling357]

Can't read or think for yourself?

I bet that response took all the thought process you could muster.

 

[Serapis]

You are qualified to comment how again? Yes, I have a constitutional right to grow my cannabis. If you dont understand that, then you have absolutely no understanding of medical marijuana laws.

Where do you live again?

It doesn't matter where I live, and for you to ask that and dismiss my arguments FRO prop 19 because of it is ridiculous. This upcoming vote has become a national discussion and those of you with 215 cards that are suffering terrible pain and terminal illness in california do not own the discussion.

The fact of the matter is, all of your arguments are meritless and you have nothing left but to sow fear and discord. I could care less where I live. This decision will open up other states to relax their stance on Marijuana laws. How big headed of you to think that Non-californians can't discuss this or debate the topic.

Pretty foolish...

 

[mr2shim]

I took it upon myself to make my own thread directly addressing the one thing people against prop 19 seem to have under their belt. 10 bucks say's they won't be able to answer the question.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

Your logic and reasoning are flawed here. Why would a court of law, in deciding a 215 issue, refer to prop 19, which has nothing to do with compassionate medical usage? Several lawyers have already made this case, and you and others against 19 refuse to accept that. In fact, your arguments perfectly orchestrate what I have been saying all along; ""the only smokers fighting 19 are medical marijuana smokers."" That in and of it's self tells me 215 is abused.

Well if lawyers are saying it, then it MUST be true! That's some truly impeccable logic and reasoning there.

 

[The Ruiner]

Thats ridiculous. You can't prosecute 215 patients under 19, read the prop.... sections 6, 7 and 8 specifically exclude patients under 215. 19 specifically states that provisions of 19 DO NOT apply to patients under 215. How much clearer can the language be? 19 opens up rights to those not involved in 215. Plain and simple.

Oh yes, the "exemptions" how could I forget those!?! The "exemptions" that wouldnt even need to be written into the bill if they had added the CUA in section 2C (2)... where the ACTUAL laws to be exempted from the reach of 19 are listed...thats right....thanks serapis for your out of state inside track on 19.

 

[veggiegardener]

Were does it state anywhere that one overrides the other? It doesnt, so they dont. 215 applies to MMJ card holders and 19 applies the the remainder.

DUDE!

You need to read more than what the authors wish to spoon feed you.

The fact is, the STATE CONSTITUTION includes the language empowering referendums(propositions) to override all other laws.

THINK!

 

[mr2shim]

DUDE!

You need to read more than what the authors wish to spoon feed you.

The fact is, the STATE CONSTITUTION includes the language empowering referendums(propositions) to override all other laws.

THINK!

Let's see where it says that. I have a hard time believing anything you say. But wait, if California's constitution has the power to override laws in propositions, what's stopping them from overriding prop 215?

 

[Serapis]

If you read more carefully. I mean like you actually went to school, you might realize that cultivation was NEVER mentioned, other than referring to 420 and 215, WHICH CURRENTLY INCLUDE NO RESTRICTION ON GROW SIZE.

By mentioning 25 square feet, Prop 19 brings restrictions to state law, WITHOUT EXEMPTING MMJ GROWS.

If you can't understand that, you don't understand the issues well enough to have an informed opinion.

I'm not going to result to tossing insults around like you have, but for your info, I'm pursuing a masters degree and am sure that my education far outperforms yours. Let me explain something to you regarding law.... have you heard of the term precedent? I suggest you look it up and apply it to 215 and then take a look at prop 19. Those of you that are making the stretch that 19 supersedes 215 are the ones that have no informed opinion.

So if you want to start tossing around insults, go visit a school yard and feel free to do so with your peers. If you want to have a debate on actual issues like an adult, bring your facts.....

 

[growone]

Do you live in California? Do you read?
It took over a decade to settle most of the many issues left open by 215 and 420.
19 is far muddier than they were.
The justice system went to great lengths to ignore both statutes until the CA Supreme Court had a moment of clarity.
I'm betting that no DA's office in California has spent the necessary to study this bill.
They're short handed, and very busy, prosecuting everybody they can, in support of the prison system.
California has lots of prisons that need to remain full, if all those employees are to keep their jobs.
It's about the only growth industry in California, right now.
Go rob a liquor store if you want to help.
If you won't, they'll probably get you for having 30 grams, or your grow takes 26 square feet.
I posted all my reasons a bunch of times.
I've only written about 1700 posts.
Search, and you will find.

as far as as being in California, you can see from my location, i'm in NY
i do not pretend to be in California, but i do see that Prop 19 is the greatest move forward in MJ law since prop 215
that you have written many posts on 19, i will give you the benefit of the doubt, but are they good and insightful posts?
Prop 19 is muddy if you want to see it that way, but what uber MJ law do you think is going to come next?
Prop 19 is it for quite some time
if you want to keep the status quo with 215, you likely have your reasons
i don't know those reasons, because i don't know you
but it does seem to be growers that have the problem with 19
in particular, the fear of MJ prices dropping
i'd like to see MJ laws progress across the county, and 19 is the best chance we have
there is nothing in Prop 19 that endangers Prop 215 growers, not realistically
nearly any law can be interpreted in slanted ways to prove nearly any point

 

[Serapis]

Oh yes, the "exemptions" how could I forget those!?! The "exemptions" that wouldnt even need to be written into the bill if they had added the CUA in section 2C (2)... where the ACTUAL laws to be exempted from the reach of 19 are listed...thats right....thanks serapis for your out of state inside track on 19.

Again, you are making jumps of logic, huge ones. And I could care less where i live. Last time I checked, California is one of the US states and marijuana laws have been i the news about as much as gay marriage. I have just as much right to spread facts as you do dis-information about 19.

 

[The Ruiner]

Let's see where it says that. I have a hard time believing anything you say. But wait, if California's constitution has the power to override laws in propositions, what's stopping them from overriding prop 215?

Thats what 19 is doing!!!! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!

 

[veggiegardener]

Let's see where it says that. I have a hard time believing anything you say. But wait, if California's constitution has the power to override laws in propositions, what's stopping them from overriding prop 215?

Again, you absolutely missed the point.

Read the California Constitution.

Until you do, you are woefully uninformed.

During the last week, I assumed that the players in these discussions had done some research.

Now you've proven you're here strictly for entertainment.

I'm now blocking you, and won't respond to your drivil, any more.

 

[The Ruiner]

I'm not going to result to tossing insults around like you have, but for your info, I'm pursuing a masters degree and am sure that my education far outperforms yours. Let me explain something to you regarding law.... have you heard of the term precedent? I suggest you look it up and apply it to 215 and then take a look at prop 19. Those of you that are making the stretch that 19 supersedes 215 are the ones that have no informed opinion.

So if you want to start tossing around insults, go visit a school yard and feel free to do so with your peers. If you want to have a debate on actual issues like an adult, bring your facts.....

A masters dont mean shit dude...and you better hope your ass never gets busted because your career as a server with a masters degree might get ruined.