Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

[mccumcumber]

Beardo did you miss the multiple times it has been said that 215 does not get affected. You can grow in more than a 5x5 place for fucks sake. Why is everyone choosing to ignore that 215 does not get affected by 19?

 

[nathenking]

Beardo did you miss the multiple times it has been said that 215 does not get affected. You can grow in more than a 5x5 place for fucks sake. Why is everyone choosing to ignore that 215 does not get affected by 19?

It may say that, but good laws have never stopped bad men.... Keep the Gov't out of my LIFE, especially my MJ.... its that simple man... why invite these corrupt fucks into this so they can do whatever they want.... and for what, oh yeah, a OUNCE.... shit, in most states you get caught with a ounce and things will get harry for you... but in cali, its a 100 dollar fine.... we got it so easy out here that I cant fathom why anybody cant wait for a better bill....

 

[nathenking]

You mean where Richard Lee is at? Who spent 1.5 Million dollars to get this on the ballot? This is like when George Bush told Businesses to go and buy SUV's for a tax cut and gas went up afterwards.

lets not forget haliburton as well... i dont know where any of these pro 19 people have been living for the last 20 years, but it sure doesnt seem like its been here in the good old corrupt USA... DO NOT TRUST THE GOV'T....PERIOD....

 

[nathenking]

Do you do that outdoors? have you read the requirements for spacing from property lines and fencing? how many harvests a year do you get outdoors? how long would your harvest from the 5by5 have to last? could you ration your marijuana to last you and everyone on your property? do you rent? would your landlord give permission?

Exactly Beardo!!!!!! This shit is so pathetically written I cant believe people are jumping at the BIT for this shit.... Hence AMERICA is a shit show now because people have no integrity or discipline... WAIT FOR A BETTER BILL!!!!!

 

[nathenking]

Has anybody else been paying attention to the amount of traffic/members on this thread.... We are over growing the GOVT all ready, why fuck it up now by letting them control US in a way we do not want to be controlled.... AND FOR WHAT?????? A OUNCE????? NEVER!!!!!

 

[Dan Kone]

that's the problem recreational the Feds frown on that. They can't be dicks to people with cancer or chronic pain. I was shot 20 years ago in my left ankle while being robbed I still have buck shots in my ankle in-bedded in my bone. You'll see for yourself and hopefully it won't pass

How is that a problem? It gives cops someone else to mess with besides medical patients.

 

[Dan Kone]

Dan Kone how long have you been growing?

On and off for about 15 years. Although most of that time it was just a hobby. Few plants in the back yard every year. Then while in college it was just a few plants in the closet with a 400.

 

[Dan Kone]

Really you mean the tax the seller has to pay for being a business in California.

No, I mean cities/counties can add whatever tax they want to cannabis in California right now with out prop 19. Prop 19 adds no specific tax to cannabis at all.

 

[Dan Kone]

they can't put tax on it without our vote.

Two counties are already have taxes on the ballot that will apply with or without prop 19.

 

[Dan Kone]

you are trying to rationalize why 19 is good but not looking at the whole picture. Put yourself in my shoes I grow plants big 3-5 feet wide so the 5x5 still applies to me in 19 fuck that I grow less plants but big. my last grow 3 plants 1 lb

You said you were a medical patient so it doesn't matter. You can still grow your 215 limits.

 

[beardo]

Originally Posted by mr2shim
I can't fathom how the cops would figure out your age unless you're stupid enough to carry an ID on you when you're high.
hayduke
Truly unfathomable...

Originally Posted by mr2shim
I like the idea that anyone under 21 could face jail time for smoking marijuana, it just gives the people who are against it all together more initiative to accept it.

Who cares, it's just a ploy to make it more acceptable among the masses. It's not that hard to understand, and you go on about someones reading comprehension, it seems like your logic is skewed. Just like the ounce limit. It's to get marijuana to be acceptable among the masses. You, me or anyone else on here that is prop marijuana isn't among the masses. Would you be ok with a 12 year old driving a car? Do you think the masses would be ok with an 18-20 year old drinking? No? Why, because A: It's against the law and B: It's more appealing to the,... masses.

When something is written, it's not written in favor of the minority. It's written to favor and be accepted among as many people as possible, where in this case it would be the people who know little to nothing about marijuana.

It's really not hard to understand. You guys are being illogical and downright ignorant.

I like the idea that anyone under 21 could face jail time for smoking marijuana, it just gives the people who are against it all together more initiative to accept it.

' Hayduke '
Yeah, I think that is great too...not only does it make this palatable for the "masses"...but think of all the jobs it will create...and in this economic climate, if a few adult citizens have to do hard time so that other states can have the dream of re-legalization...well...so be it.

After all...I'm over 21 so who cares


this post was great-post #273 in thread -Beardo

 

[Hayduke]

Yeah, I know that Richard lee spent a lot of money, but that was to get required signatures. It's practically impossible to pass a prop without a shit ton of signatures, and those companies cost a lot of money to fund. I would know, I worked for one.
You don't have to buy the corporation bud if you don't want to. You can keep going to your dispensary or grow your own, like most people on this forum do.

Why did Dick do this??? Yes to get signatures...but definitely not because he wants MJ to be legal...he wants YOUR money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[beardo]

Why did Dick do this??? Yes to get signatures...but definitely not because he wants MJ to be legal...he wants YOUR money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah it was an investment to get a huge market and split it up between a few major companies-60,000 foot warehouse in oakland..but I wouldn't be suprised they offshore the jobs in the future. the people who wrote the bill are very smart they didn't forget anything or missword anything and they wont be changing it if it passes. the people who wrote it know how it will be interpreted. the pro 19 people have lead a misleading promotion campaign

 

[nathenking]

yeah it was an investment to get a huge market and split it up between a few major companies-60,000 foot warehouse in oakland..but I wouldn't be suprised they offshore the jobs in the future. the people who wrote the bill are very smart they didn't forget anything or missword anything and they wont be changing it if it passes ant the people who wrote it know how it will be interpreted. the pro 19 people have lead a misleading promotion campaign

They sure have, these people that are pro19 are shotting themselves in the foot from their own misunderstanding.... It happens all the time in this country...

 

[beardo]

if/when it does pass it would be nice to see huge tobacco companies get into cannabis growing. Not that it would be great for quality cannabis, but great for global legalization. But I don't think legalization in California is alone to get corporations like Altria to jump ship.

I think I would rather support small local producers and i'm more inclined to trust the breeders we have now

 

[nathenking]

I think I would rather support small local producers and i'm more inclined to trust the breeders we have now

Beardo.... I also think that the price of quality indoor cannabis is not gonna drop that much either... not by any appreciable amounts... what are your thoughts...

 

[mr2shim]

I think I would rather support small local producers and i'm more inclined to trust the breeders we have now

You quoted that from a thread in a completely different section. why?

If it were to come down to what I said, big companies like Altria manufacturing cannabis and small time growers, I would buy from the smaller group. Much like people who prefer Samuel Adams over Budweiser. Even though I don't drink, they are about quality and it's wroth paying the premium. All I was saying is I think it would help with global legalization.

 

[beardo]

Beardo.... I also think that the price of quality indoor cannabis is not gonna drop that much either... not by any appreciable amounts... what are your thoughts...

It cant drop to much- mega grows could be somewhat more efficient but the price is so competitive already it wont drop to much especially when you consider this bill is ment to raise revenue -Their will be the tax and insurance and licences and permits wich will raise production cost enough to offset any gain in efficiency. I also think everyone is basing their projected profits using prices close to the MMJ dispencary prices. You will be able to get real cheap leaf/shake joints maybe. People are consuming a lot of marijuana at todays prices I dont see why anyone would slash prices or even how they could cut price and maintain quality

 

[Hayduke]

Q:When was the last time the price went down on ANYTHING people actually want???

A: NEVER.

If this passes...the only way anyone will be able to support small local growers will be illegally.

 

[nathenking]

Q:When was the last time the price went down on ANYTHING people actually want???

A: NEVER.

If this passes...the only way anyone will be able to support small local growers will be illegally.

great point hayduke...