Actual Value of Marijuana?

Dan Kone

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I've always thought air quality was better outdoors.
Depends on the air. Where I live it's always 60-90% humidity, that's no good. Indoor I can run 2 dehumidifiers as well as jack my Co2 ppm up to ~1400. Can't replicate that outdoor.
 

smoke and coke

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i feel that all my time put into growing, drying and curing enough of the best bud around to last me a year untill the next growing season is priceless!!! so if its legal or not, the price hasnt changed for me lol
 

Dan Kone

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But I have hundreds of times the space outdoors as indoors, so overall I could yield much much more from a single outdoor crop.
I see what you're saying and everything, and yeah, in a sealed greenhouse sure, you can replicate indoor environments. You could also do the reverse of that and have a solar powered indoor grow that would out yield a greenhouse of the same size.

We really aren't talking about home growing here, we are talking about commercial grows. Sure, if you've got a lot of space outdoor you could out yield a smaller indoor space. But if you were a commercial grower you could build a structure with that space that would allow you to out yield that outdoor space. Basically, indoor out yields outdoor per sq ft by a lot over a year.

And yes, if the price of bud drops below $2000 per/lb for good shit, you'll see indoor growing stop. However there is sooooooo much low quality outdoor compared to very little high quality outdoor. Because of this and the demand for high quality, I think we will continue to see indoor growing stay profitable.
 

guy incognito

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I'm hoping to harvest every 4-6 weeks once I''m up and running.
Yeah but each individual plant will still take the full time to harvest. All you are doing is staggering your harvest so you are harvesting half of your full potential every 4 weeks instead of a single full harvest every 8. In the end it all works out, you just get smaller harvests more frequently.


Perhaps my dismissal of the cost of indoor growing was a bit premature. I have crunched the numbers and it does still require a lot of time and energy, though I think the estimates given in this thread are a bit high. Especially if there was absolutely no law or tax in the way to stop people from producing it. Most of the system would be entirely automated, and the parts that require an actual human for quality do not require a very high skill level hence not a high cost. And I also see no reason why a good quality home grow could not be scaled up in size to make it more efficient.

I also think if there were no laws in the way the sheer abundance of weed that would be grown outdoors would yield some pretty high quality stuff.

Why couldnt you reduce a few pounds into an oil or tincture and spray it on your buds making them more potent? Every ounce of bud you would have would have the equivalent of 6 ounces of bud added to it as hash oil. That would be some potent commercial bud.
 

Bonzi Lighthouse

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Heard on the radio today that the California pot crop alone, the value of its 8.6 million-pound harvest is worth about $14 billion.

The Tax man has a woody.
 

valley grower

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you guys r forgetting one thing if it passes and is legal u r only allowed to have 1 ounce on you. so if u think u van harvest a pound just because its legal think again
 

golddog

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you guys r forgetting one thing if it passes and is legal u r only allowed to have 1 ounce on you. so if u think u van harvest a pound just because its legal think again
That's 1 ounce on your person in a public place, there is no limit on the amount you may have at your residence, as long as your grew it there.

That's how I understand it. :bigjoint:
 

valley grower

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oh wow didnt realize u could have pounds at your house as long as u dont take it out on the streets on you im going to have to look into that
 

nl3004.kind

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"I am completely ignoring tax in my assumptions. Any tax that would be included for the production of something like lettuce or tomatoes is small and unavoidable and won't contribute significantly to the final price, at least as far as comparing to other products. A vice tax would/could raise the price substantially, and could very well end up costing the prices people are quoting in here. However I assumed no vice tax at all when I said it would be dirt cheap."

I think you are absolutely correct. If completely legal, it will be dirt cheap. There is no good reason to grow indoors, except to be covert. At $40 per pound (about $5 per ounce) everybody in the supply chain can make an honest living at it.
i am afraid i completely disagree with your assumption that there will be no sin tax on it... there is no way the governments will overlook this potential huge source of revenue... never... if it gets legalized, it will be taxed to hell and gone. but will still be cheaper (substantially) that currently is... the thing everyone is overlooking is dosage: if one shot/ beer/ glass of wine is the standard measure of dispensation for alcohol, probably weed will be taxed by the gram. not the oz, not the elbow... but by the gram...

also the reason to grow indoors are varied but one reason is to ensure that you have a consistent product over and over again... out in cali there are tiers of pricing: top quality indoor, first growth top quality outdoor, second growth top quality outdoor (usually lower in thc), middies indoor, middies outdoor, popcorn, schwag ect... it is possible to grow year round outdoor in cali, texas, az, new mex, florida *but* the quality of those products are varied and not consistent... the reason dispensaries pay top dollar for indoor is because they know that it will be the same next week, month, year... consistency in meds is of the upmost importance...
 

desert dude

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i am afraid i completely disagree with your assumption that there will be no sin tax on it... there is no way the governments will overlook this potential huge source of revenue... never... if it gets legalized, it will be taxed to hell and gone. but will still be cheaper (substantially) that currently is... the thing everyone is overlooking is dosage: if one shot/ beer/ glass of wine is the standard measure of dispensation for alcohol, probably weed will be taxed by the gram. not the oz, not the elbow... but by the gram...

also the reason to grow indoors are varied but one reason is to ensure that you have a consistent product over and over again... out in cali there are tiers of pricing: top quality indoor, first growth top quality outdoor, second growth top quality outdoor (usually lower in thc), middies indoor, middies outdoor, popcorn, schwag ect... it is possible to grow year round outdoor in cali, texas, az, new mex, florida *but* the quality of those products are varied and not consistent... the reason dispensaries pay top dollar for indoor is because they know that it will be the same next week, month, year... consistency in meds is of the upmost importance...
I completely agree there WILL be a sin tax on MJ if 19 passes. The question is, will that make the price of MJ as high as it is now with the illegality premium?
 

desert dude

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oh wow didnt realize u could have pounds at your house as long as u dont take it out on the streets on you im going to have to look into that
Read the proposition. Read the legal analysis posted at High Times web site. Don't listen to these anti-19 drug warriors on this blog (Beardo, Veggie, FDD, etc), those guys are making a cushy living from the status quo, and don't give a shit that innocent people are going to prison to support their lifestyles. Shame on them.
 

Dan Kone

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I completely agree there WILL be a sin tax on MJ if 19 passes. The question is, will that make the price of MJ as high as it is now with the illegality premium?
No. But prices won't be as low as you're thinking either. It's impossible to produce a pound + have a moderate profit for $40 as you suggested before. Trimming alone costs $200 per pound. If you want high quality stuff you're going to have to take care of it and feed the plants decent nutrients. You will NEVER see pounds of high quality stuff for under $1000 per pound IMO.
 

dam612

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im sure its will be taxed, cali is what 19.3 billion in debt!?!?!, u best believe they will be taxing
 
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