Actual Value of Marijuana?

nathenking

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Almost 80,000 arrests in California last year. Some of them went to jail, some of them got a misdemeanor on their record that stays with them for the rest of their lives, some got a felony. If you are voting against 19 just to keep the price high, then those 80,000 are on your conscience.
no they are not... i was one of the 80000 dick head... dont speak for a whole group of people... its not working out for you... i was busted and am still voting NO... what the hell is your excuse for having no backbone....
 

nathenking

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no they are not... i was one of the 80000 dick head... dont speak for a whole group of people... its not working out for you... i was busted and am still voting NO... what the hell is your excuse for having no backbone....
Oh and news flash, they are very little people actually doing REAL time under solely MJ possesion... There is always something on there record before, or something else found while the MJ was found.... get your facts correct homeboy...
 

Dan Kone

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Oh and news flash, they are very little people actually doing REAL time under solely MJ possesion... There is always something on there record before, or something else found while the MJ was found.... get your facts correct homeboy...
There are 15,000 people who've been sent to jail on simple possession. As far as I'm concerned 1 is too many and we should keep trying to end prohibition until that number reaches zero.
 

desert dude

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There are 15,000 people who've been sent to jail on simple possession. As far as I'm concerned 1 is too many and we should keep trying to end prohibition until that number reaches zero.
Amen.

I don't know if 19 will pass, but reading this blog is discouraging. Some of the very people who ought to be the biggest supporters, the smokers and small growers, have somehow come to believe that 19 is a bad thing for them.

On the bright side, the readers of this website don't amount to a fart in a hurricane with respect to 19, this issue will be decided by the overall electorate and most of them have no vested interest in MJ either way. If they are persuaded that the drug war is a failure, then 19 will pass.
 

desert dude

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Oh and news flash, they are very little people actually doing REAL time under solely MJ possesion... There is always something on there record before, or something else found while the MJ was found.... get your facts correct homeboy...
What the fuck is "real time"? One night in jail is too god damn much. A $100 fine is too much. As long as pot is illegal, there will be the criminal's premium on it, and as long as there is big money to be made we will have the cartels killing people. Too high a price to pay for me.
 

desert dude

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no they are not... i was one of the 80000 dick head... dont speak for a whole group of people... its not working out for you... i was busted and am still voting NO... what the hell is your excuse for having no backbone....
I already voted yes. You, on the other hand, are planning to vote no, just like the current and past drug czars, the US Attorney General, and Sheriff Lee Baca want you to. I think your backbone is wrapped in thick wad of drug-war cash to keep it straight.
 

nathenking

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There are 15,000 people who've been sent to jail on simple possession. As far as I'm concerned 1 is too many and we should keep trying to end prohibition until that number reaches zero.
I agree, but this is not the way... i know it in my heart man.... with resent polls, i believe many others are starting to feel that way...
 

nathenking

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90 percent of US money has cocaine on it.... the cartels will still have that, meth, LSD, MJ as well as firearms, controlling the gangs, human trafficing etc.... there are studies that show that prop19 will not effect anything.... i knew this before the study, but now there is a study that does show this.... Honestly, do you think its gonna stop violence, if anything, they will fight harder for the money because there will be less for everyone.... less money, people get even more ruthless man...

Oh, and dont be such a pussy about 1 night in jail.... its a ticket now, so you can finally sleep easily at night... lets get a prop that makes it legal to grow as many plants, pounds and carry as much as you want... otherwise, people will still get arrested if they have 10 pounds on them etc.... and thats the truth, because there still will be a premium on criminals after this... that is a quote from you... your thoughts?
 

nathenking

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desert dude:

me and over 75 people are all having a super smoke session before we march to the polls bro....

but you are so right man.... i love how you think that anybody that opposes this shitty prop19, that promotes corporations, is siding with all these people you have stated above... The internet is a funny thing bro, you say things on here, that I know for a fact you would not say to my face.... if you said that shit to any of me or my family, or alot of down to earth grounded people, it would not go over well for anybody.... Know your role man, quit writing checks that you know you cant cash....
 

desert dude

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90 percent of US money has cocaine on it.... the cartels will still have that, meth, LSD, MJ as well as firearms, controlling the gangs, human trafficing etc.... there are studies that show that prop19 will not effect anything.... i knew this before the study, but now there is a study that does show this.... Honestly, do you think its gonna stop violence, if anything, they will fight harder for the money because there will be less for everyone.... less money, people get even more ruthless man...

Oh, and dont be such a pussy about 1 night in jail.... its a ticket now, so you can finally sleep easily at night... lets get a prop that makes it legal to grow as many plants, pounds and carry as much as you want... otherwise, people will still get arrested if they have 10 pounds on them etc.... and thats the truth, because there still will be a premium on criminals after this... that is a quote from you... your thoughts?
I am with you on making it legal, period. I would like a proposition that says, "grow as much as you, hell grow twice as much as you want and sell the excess for whatever profit you can make". Unfortunately, that is not what prop 19 says, and prop 19 is all we have at this time. If there is a better proposition on the ballot in 2012 I will vote for that one too.

Prop 19 will make it legal for the everyday Joe to buy it or grow enough for his personal consumption. That is a pretty good step in the right direction.
 

nathenking

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I am with you on making it legal, period. I would like a proposition that says, "grow as much as you, hell grow twice as much as you want and sell the excess for whatever profit you can make". Unfortunately, that is not what prop 19 says, and prop 19 is all we have at this time. If there is a better proposition on the ballot in 2012 I will vote for that one too.

Prop 19 will make it legal for the everyday Joe to buy it or grow enough for his personal consumption. That is a pretty good step in the right direction.
it would be a good step in the right direction, but to the detriment of many people, a prop like this doesnt do anything for people that are already in jail, or shit is pending... what about those people, you havnt even mentioned them at all... but a better prop could say that anybody that is incarcerated at the moment would be released and pardoned.... lets take care of those people first, then worry about your one ounce or the next person that gets arrested.... dont forget about those people...
 

desert dude

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it would be a good step in the right direction, but to the detriment of many people, a prop like this doesnt do anything for people that are already in jail, or shit is pending... what about those people, you havnt even mentioned them at all... but a better prop could say that anybody that is incarcerated at the moment would be released and pardoned.... lets take care of those people first, then worry about your one ounce or the next person that gets arrested.... dont forget about those people...
I agree, I would like to see anybody with a past conviction, or with a case pending against them, or currently in prison completely exonerated. The fact that P19 has no such language is not a good reason to vote against it, though. How is P19 a detriment to people convicted in the past or currently serving time, they are unaffected whether it passes or not? If a new initiative comes up in 2012 with those provisions, I will vote for it. Right now, all we have is P19 and it is a step in the right direction.
 

Dan Kone

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I am with you on making it legal, period. I would like a proposition that says, "grow as much as you, hell grow twice as much as you want and sell the excess for whatever profit you can make". Unfortunately, that is not what prop 19 says, and prop 19 is all we have at this time. If there is a better proposition on the ballot in 2012 I will vote for that one too.

Prop 19 will make it legal for the everyday Joe to buy it or grow enough for his personal consumption. That is a pretty good step in the right direction.
I'm into that. I'd prefer a law that lets people grow as much as they want with no conditions. But that isn't on the ballot. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Maybe someday we will have the political climate to pass that law, but today is not that day. Ending prohibition will be a struggle and it will not come all at once. One step at a time. Prop 19 is that first step.
 

desert dude

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I'm into that. I'd prefer a law that lets people grow as much as they want with no conditions. But that isn't on the ballot. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Maybe someday we will have the political climate to pass that law, but today is not that day. Ending prohibition will be a struggle and it will not come all at once. One step at a time. Prop 19 is that first step.
I agree with you. I plan to vote in 2012 and hope to see a ballot initiative that takes things further, but right now P19 is all we got.
 

fdd2blk

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It's only a handful of shit to those who stand to lose profits. I guarantee if you weren't a MMJ Grower you'd vote yes.
i know a lot of NON growers voting NO.

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Majority of voters oppose Prop. 19, new poll shows

By: CNN's Alison Harding
(CNN) - A new poll indicates that a majority of likely voters in California oppose the state's proposition to legalize marijuana.
According to a USC/Los Angeles Times Poll, 51 percent of likely voters said they would vote against Proposition 19, which would allow people 21 years-old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Thirty-nine percent of likely voters said they support the measure.

Support for the ballot initiative also varies widely by age and race, according to the poll. Fifty-five percent of likely voters aged 18-29 said they support the measure, while 60 percent of those over the age of 65 oppose legalizing marijuana. Only 28 percent of those 65 and older said they support the measure. Latino voters indicated the strongest opposition to Prop 19. Fifty-seven percent said they opposed the measure, compared to 48 percent of white voters, and 49 percent of black voters.
Proponents of Prop 19 say it would generate much needed revenue and cut drug enforcement costs. The California Attorney General's office estimated that the measure has the potential to bring in hundreds of millions of dollars annually in taxes and fees, while saving the state tens of millions of dollars annually on costs related to incarceration and supervision of marijuana offenders.
But opponents, including the U.S. Justice Department and former heads of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, say the measure violates federal law and endangers public safety. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said last week that the Justice Department will continue to enforce federal law regardless of the outcome of the ballot initiative. Federal law prohibits individuals and organizations from possessing, manufacturing, or distributing marijuana for recreational use.
The USC/LA Times poll was conducted by the Democratic polling firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, in conjunction with Republican polling firm American Viewpoint. It surveyed more than 1,500 registered voters from October 13-20, with a likely voter sample of 878 voters.
 

desert dude

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I think the growers vote almost doesn't matter, there aren't enough of them to make a difference either way. This vote is going to be decided by the every day, 9 to 5 Joe, he doesn't smoke pot anymore, he probably tried it at one point but is now consumed with his hum-drum, feed the kids and pay the mortgage life. Personally, that is the way I prefer it. If 19 fails, I can live with that.
 
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