Can You Use Mirrors?

Scopse

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Hey guys,

I heard getting light onto all bud sites is a good idea, so am I okay using this mirror?



*Please excuse the poor camera, my 600w HPS makes it get dark lines in the picture.
 

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ghb

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mirrors decrease light efficiency significantly, a piece of wood painted white will actually do a better job.

do you sleep right next to your plants and light?
 

Give Me

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Sorry but from what I have read/learned no mirrors are actually bad as yes they reflect light they do not reflect the parts of light the plants need. I wonder if you could burn them this way as it may cause a similar affect as foil (hot spots)? IDK . Flat white paint is your best cost effective reflective method. Try searching threads for reflective materials-if I can find the posts I got my info from I will edit with links. In your case what if you were to suspend a few cardboard sheets with Mylar affixed-just a thought as I was thinking of doing something similar with my set up :) nice plants good luck
Sub'd and +rep Ok I found one hope it helps https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/377251-aluminum-foil-instead-mylar.html
 

Spanishfly

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Sorry ghb, that is not so, mirrors are >95% reflective - this is why we use them to form a reflection - I have used them myself in growing and find them absolutely fine. A small amount of incident light is indeed absorbed as the light passes twice through the glass (twice) but it is only a tiny amount.

Drawbacks are they are expensive, heavy and fragile - which is why I use aluminium foil generally.
 

ghb

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Sorry ghb, that is not so, mirrors are >95% reflective - this is why we use them to form a reflection - I have used them myself in growing and find them absolutely fine. A small amount of incident light is indeed absorbed as the light passes twice through the glass (twice) but it is only a tiny amount.

Drawbacks are they are expensive, heavy and fragile - which is why I use aluminium foil generally.
not gonna argue that fact, i have always been told that they are not to be used to reflect light in growing because of the reason i stated. the point you make is even better
 

cowboylogic

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Sorry ghb, that is not so, mirrors are >95% reflective - this is why we use them to form a reflection - I have used them myself in growing and find them absolutely fine. A small amount of incident light is indeed absorbed as the light passes twice through the glass (twice) but it is only a tiny amount.

Drawbacks are they are expensive, heavy and fragile - which is why I use aluminium foil generally.
LMAO, always question advice from this guy. ghb mirrors are absolutely no good at reflecting usable light to the plants. They are only good at making 'hotspots' and tinfoil is not much better. Get some space blankets (emergency) or as stated flat white paint.
 

Scopse

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do you sleep right next to your plants and light?
Ha! No I sleep in the spare room now, my Giraffe still sleeps next to the plants though.

So the outcome is that, Mirrors are a definite *No No* and I should remove it immediately?
 

HerbalBeast

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Ha! No I sleep in the spare room now, my Giraffe still sleeps next to the plants though.

So the outcome is that, Mirrors are a definite *No No* and I should remove it immediately?

:D YOU sleep in the spare room? :) might as well just put your plants in bed and tuck them before lights out :P just kidding they look great. why don't you just get some cardboard and wrap it with aluminium foil (shiny part in). then put those around your plants. Easy and super cheap. Good luck with your girls! :leaf:
 

bigv1976

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What happens when light hits a mirror?

You walk into a dark bathroom.
You turn on the light.
What actually happens when the light hits the mirror?
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You're probably thinking, "It's reflected, you dunce. It hits the surface and is bounced back. Thanks for wasting my time."
Only it's not.
The photons in light are actually absorbed by electrons in the atoms on the mirror's surface. In turn, these atoms emit new photons, causing a reflection. Strange, huh? Welcome to quantum mechanics.
We understand this phenomenon through quantum electrodynamics, the work of Richard Feynman Julian Schwinger.
As Feynman once said, "I hope you can accept nature as she is -- absurd."
 

Spanishfly

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LMAO, always question advice from this guy. ghb mirrors are absolutely no good at reflecting usable light to the plants. They are only good at making 'hotspots' and tinfoil is not much better. Get some space blankets (emergency) or as stated flat white paint.
I only talk about what I have TRIED and done. Unlike you cowboy, who justs reiterates Old Wives´Tales that you have only READ and not TRIED.

This ´hotspots´nonsense that you are twittering on about is exactly that - an Old Wives´Tale that you have just READ about.

And nobody has made TINfoil in decades.

Th trouble with MJ forums is they are populated by dopey kids who have never grown anything else, have no general horticultural knowledge, and just read total garbage as if it were gospel and pass it on. And none of them have the common dog to actually test the crap they are spouting, by tryng it.


Sound familiar, cowboy????
 

bigv1976

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Flat mirrors reflect exactly what goes into them thus will not create a hotspot if it is perfectly flat. A mirror with any kind of convex or distortion will concentrate light to a central point governed by the angle of the convex.
 

Spanishfly

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Flat mirrors reflect exactly what goes into them thus will not create a hotspot if it is perfectly flat. A mirror with any kind of convex or distortion will concentrate light to a central point governed by the angle of the convex.
TOTALLY right bigv. A flat mirror will only reflect the image in front of it - ie, it will reflect the exact image of any lamp onto a plant. No problem at all.

But if I were to take the hyperbolic mirror from my Maksutov-Cassegrain telescope, which is made to focus light rays to a point, and very carefully position it with respect to a plant, I might JUST be able to generate a hotspot where those rays converge. Certainly not with a flat mirror or any piece of randomly crinkled foil.
 

Spanishfly

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Whats the difference between crinkled foil and a convex mirror?
I was talking about a parabolic mirror.

You are not sure of the difference beteween an accurately ground parabolic mirror and a lump of foil crinkled so that it will reflect light in random directions?

If I replace the mirror in my telescope with a piece of crinkled foil I will see fuck all - for a moment I thought you had a bit of common sense.
 

bigv1976

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Any fluctuation from totally flat is a convex which has potential to reflect light off another part of the surface thus magnifying it. This is what we refer to as a hot spot.
 

Scopse

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I was talking about a parabolic mirror.

You are not sure of the difference beteween an accurately ground parabolic mirror and a lump of foil crinkled so that it will reflect light in random directions?

If I replace the mirror in my telescope with a piece of crinkled foil I will see fuck all - for a moment I thought you had a bit of common sense.
Thanks for your input Spanishfly, basically from what you're saying is that you've actually used mirrors before to good effect? If that's true I'd love to hear it from someone experienced like yourself.

I'm not really convinced by the argument that mirrors absorb the usable wavelength of light that the plants need, if mirrors absorbed certain wavelenghts of light then I'd see myself in the mirror with missing colours (i.e very weak red or blue)
 
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