Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

Dan Kone

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True, they are entrenched the moment they are elected. That is why it is my personal policy to always vote anti-incumbent.
That doesn't make any sense. If they are entrenched the moment they are elected, then what's the difference? All that means is a new person is going to screw up for a few years while we train a new one.

To be a good politician all it takes is average intelligence and determination to act in the best interests of the community as a whole; this country was started by a bunch of amateur politicians and they did pretty well. Babs has Babs' best interests at heart.
I couldn't disagree more. I think politicians of average intelligence are exactly the problem.
 

desert dude

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That doesn't make any sense. If they are entrenched the moment they are elected, then what's the difference? All that means is a new person is going to screw up for a few years while we train a new one.



I couldn't disagree more. I think politicians of average intelligence are exactly the problem.
Fair enough. I didn't come here to discuss run of the mill politicians; I respect your opinion. All I really care about is Prop 19 in 2010. The rest is all just window dressing.
 

Sure Shot

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The latest national poll numbers from Gallup, which has been tracking public opinion on cannabis legalization since the late 1960s, shows that Americans’ support for ‘making marijuana legal’ is now at its highest reported level of support ever.
 

veggiegardener

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The latest national poll numbers from Gallup, which has been tracking public opinion on cannabis legalization since the late 1960s, shows that Americans’ support for ‘making marijuana legal’ is now at its highest reported level of support ever.
Presented in the right way, legalization would pass, nationally. If it were over regulated as 19 wants to do, every argument mentioned here, would bury such a move in Congress. I think if Obama gets reelected in 2012, there might be a chance for Barney Frank to shove through a decent bill.
 

fdd2blk

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state school lunch programs are funded with federal money. the feds do not need stormtroopers to attack where it really hurts. they will simply stop funding programs as soon as cali thumbs their nose at them.

that's cool though, we'll all be high so no one will care. :eyesmoke:
 

Sure Shot

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spreading lies like:

"school lunch programs are federally funded."
No, the best lies are full of truths like that.
Lies have to be squeezed in. Usually just after or before, an emotionally stimulating sentence or topic, like your child's lunch.
Such tactics are meant for knee jerk reactions, and I find them comically void of sustenance.

Or, do really consider that a viable threat?
If so, then you believe the feds will cut funding to kids to teach the rebellious adults a lesson. :?
 

fdd2blk

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No, the best lies are full of truths like that.
Lies have to be squeezed in. Usually just after or before, an emotionally stimulating sentence or topic, like your child's lunch.
Such tactics are meant for knee jerk reactions, and I find them comically void of sustenance.

Or, do really consider that a viable threat?
If so, then you believe the feds will cut funding to kids to teach the rebellious adults a lesson. :?
from what all my local news channels in the bay area are saying, YES, that is what i am getting at. but see i didn't just pull this out of my ass. i am repeating what is being discussed among politicians. at least the ones they are interviewing.

so brush me off as a whack job lying. doesn't really bother me. i'll just turn on channel 4 for my news. :)
 

Sure Shot

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from what all my local news channels in the bay area are saying, YES, that is what i am getting at. but see i didn't just pull this out of my ass. i am repeating what is being discussed among politicians. at least the ones they are interviewing.

so brush me off as a whack job lying. doesn't really bother me. i'll just turn on channel 4 for my news. :)
I'm not brushing you off, sir.
I'm not referring to you as a liar either.
I was instead referring to the internal memo from the California Chamber of Commerce.
I linked to it in my post.:?
I'm always open to sound debate, and I value your opinion.
I just don't agree.

You say, "what is being talked about by politicians", but that is another big part.
Politicians are typically lost in the generation gap and are the last to accept new social norms.
Also, people act and react differently went the cameras are on.
Live polls and automated polls prove this time and time again, with "sensitive" issues such as this.

I believe anyone who even threatens to cut funding after the fact would likely lose.
It's O.K. for them to make predictions and carefully word it to scare the piss out of you now, because it's all hypothetical.
But, in the end it's just the same fear-mongering IMO. I wonder what threats were spread at the end of alcohol prohibition?
 

klmmicro

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from what all my local news channels in the bay area are saying, YES, that is what i am getting at. but see i didn't just pull this out of my ass. i am repeating what is being discussed among politicians. at least the ones they are interviewing.

so brush me off as a whack job lying. doesn't really bother me. i'll just turn on channel 4 for my news. :)
When I had kids in school, neither "qaulified" for that stupid lunch program anyway. I made squat and they still told me that was too much. I saw the kids that did get it, and made my mind up that it was totally mismanaged. I just stepped up to the plate and paid for the food MY children would eat instead of relying on a handout.

That the feds would threaten us this way tells you that it is not in what they consider their interest. It really does have potential too begin dismantling the 90 years of lies they used to suppress cannabis. They are scared.
 

Sure Shot

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i don't rely on polls to base my opinions. :roll:
Neither do I.
My opinion is mine, and yours is yours.

My reference to polls was to show a correlation between human responses, based on the observer.
The Observer effects the observed.
In other words, people say what they think they should in instances where an unknown party is involved.
But, when left with zero accountability, people can be brutally honest.

To sum it up, Don't trust politicians!
But, you already knew that.
 

desert dude

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state school lunch programs are funded with federal money. the feds do not need stormtroopers to attack where it really hurts. they will simply stop funding programs as soon as cali thumbs their nose at them.

that's cool though, we'll all be high so no one will care. :eyesmoke:
The feds are going to starve poor children because CA voters did not vote as they were told. I can just see Obama doing that, a Democrat president trying to get reelected in 2012 punishing the voters (not the legislature) of a mostly Democrat state.

The fact is, if 19 passes, there is nothing the feds can do except to invade CA with the DEA, which they might do. I am all for it, this is a fight that America needs to have.
 
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