Need A Second Opinon. OG Kush Leaf problem

Kratose

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looks like to me some of the leaves that wern't to far gone starting to recover. But as you know time will tell. If it was me I would remove the bad leaves, they can't be helping the plant...Just my 2 cents....
Yeah I removed them. Just left them on for the pictures. It did look like the plant was starting to recover but I woke up to a mess today. About 5 new leafs have problems. The plant is dieing faster then I can figure out whats going on with it.

So I am considering that plant a loss. The way its going it wont make it through flowering. If it keeps developing as fast as it is it might be dead in 2 weeks.

Lesson learned, Don't take cuttings from other people even if its a bad ass strain because it could just turn out to be a giant headache.

I do appreciate everyone trying to help, but our efforts were futile.
 

Kratose

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Update

I talked to the guy I got the cuttings from and guess what, He is having the same exact problem. So the problems did start with him. I asked him a shitload of questions to find he never flushed his plants. So I am guessing its a buildup of salts. This can cause nutrient lockout. So because of the lockout it is probably lacking Nitrogen and Mag. What sucks is because I fed it the other day with the Epsom salt and some nutes. Doing this probably made the problem that much worse. Now I gotta wait until the soil dry's out and do a good flush.
 

SOMEBEECH

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Wish i could help ya krat,but i dunno whats going on.I would say a lockout?Maybe of a Nute.I didnt read all tho just looked at pics and ive never grown that strain.
 

Kratose

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So since I talked to my friend and found out he never flushed I realized adding the Epsom salt was a bad idea. Ofcourse the plant got burnt badly. Really bad. I have been flushing it since. I have given it two flushes. Here are a few pictures of what happened after adding the Epsom salt.



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Now, with the 2nd OG Kush that did not start developing symptoms until after I added Epsom salt to the first one, I flushed really good. But now it looks like it has a Nitrogen Deficiency. I was iffy about adding nutrients to it because I know he did not flush it ever. So it was only flushed by me. I did a really good flush, so maybe its ready for nutrients again? It is turning light green and some are even completely yellow with spots. I wonder if its ready for nutrients again, but I am not so sure because of the spots. Maybe it needs another flush. I wish I never took any plants from him, because im having a hard time fixing the problems he created. Here are some pictures of the 2nd OG Kush. Let me know what you think. Don't be afraid to post your opinion, because like i said before even experienced growers need help sometimes. Here are some pics

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Kratose

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Anyone? Would like your opinion's on the 2nd OG Kush. I am thinking I should feed it some nutrients when its ready for a watering. Want to hear what you guys think before I do. I would hate if I fed it and it made the problem worse because the nutrients were still locked out. I did a really good flushing so maybe it is ready for some food. What do you guys think?
 

bird mcbride

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Your soil is holding the moisture too long. Mix 1/2 potting soil with regular baked dirt, mix. Avoid clay based soils. Put some gravel in the bottom of your pot(about one inch) for good drainage. transplant and water. There should be water seeping through the plantpot drainholes after watering. I nurse my moms back from this but I'm in lava rock and I don't put them through the extremes that you have put your plant through. If you let your plant get much worse it will runt. After you transplant it in some good dirt you only need give it water to make it green again because potting soil is already for seedlings.
 

Kratose

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Your soil is holding the moisture too long. Mix 1/2 potting soil with regular baked dirt, mix. Avoid clay based soils. Put some gravel in the bottom of your pot(about one inch) for good drainage. transplant and water. There should be water seeping through the plantpot drainholes after watering. I nurse my moms back from this but I'm in lava rock and I don't put them through the extremes that you have put your plant through. If you let your plant get much worse it will runt. After you transplant it in some good dirt you only need give it water to make it green again because potting soil is already for seedlings.
Actually the part that is holding the moisture is the soil in the middle. (because he packed it down tight) The outisdes drain well because its my soil. But yeah, that's definitely not the cause of these problems. Not sure if you read the whole thread.

I am not a new grower. been growing for 10 years. So I know all about drainage and to let your soil dry out before watering. This was not my doing. I am just trying to fix the mistakes my friend made. I don't put my plants through extreme stress. Oh, and they are not seedlings. I guess you never seen my White Widow grow. Here are a few pictures of them.


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Kratose

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was this flowerd straight from clone? Looks nice and frosty
Nope. That was just the top of the bud about 5 weeks into flowering. It was probably 17 inches when I induced flowering. It finished at 3 feet. Yeah she was so frosty. I love White Widow. So much resign production.

I just wish my OG Kush didn't have so much problems, then maybe I could have a kick ass harvest like the widow. I pulled about 2oz off of each Widow. Thanks for the compliments.
 

mr west

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sometimes its worth jus cutting ur losses on some plants and binning them and starting again or jus chuck it into flower and hope it bucks its ideas up a bit. Did ur ww have that sweet citrusy smell almost like lemon sherbert?
 

spudroc

Active Member
OGK is not an easy one to grow. Don't blame your friend for compacting the soil down and not flushing. The cut looks tight and something isn't right. OG Kush walks a fine line at all times, but after correcting the problems they should straighten out after a while. It's like a supermodel, crazy as shit but when they're on they're on. You're N deficient right now. Are you watering back in with nutes after the flushes? I would think so because you're experienced but a lot of people don't understand this. OGK was my second strain and it takes a lot of getting used to.
 

Kratose

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OGK is not an easy one to grow. Don't blame your friend for compacting the soil down and not flushing. The cut looks tight and something isn't right. OG Kush walks a fine line at all times, but after correcting the problems they should straighten out after a while. It's like a supermodel, crazy as shit but when they're on they're on. You're N deficient right now. Are you watering back in with nutes after the flushes? I would think so because you're experienced but a lot of people don't understand this. OGK was my second strain and it takes a lot of getting used to.
Dude, what you mean don't blame my friend for compacting the soil and never flushing (Because thats exactly what he did and he even told me so, he is having the same problems with his OG Kush at the same time I was) it looks like a clean cut? Are you implying this was my doing? Sorry but I am not a nube. I know how to feed and flush my plants properly. I didn't get them when they were freshly cut. I got them right before they were ready to go into flowering and when I received them one of the plants was already displaying symptoms. I call them cuttings because that's what they are, OG cuttings, however that doesn't mean I got them when they were freshly cut.

And actually since I have talked to him and found out exactly what he did, I was able to fix the problem and now they are looking much much better. Even the buds started developing at a fast rate.

Yes, I was N deficient and also Mag deficient because of nutrient lockout due to high buildup of salts in the medium. I took the correct actions to take care of the problem and after a few days the problem has been corrected.

No, I never said OGK is a easy strain to grow. Its pretty temperamental, but I have grown harder strains.

I am sure if you know about growing you know that sometimes defiencies and toxicites display very similar symptoms sometimes exact. You should also know that never flushing a plant would natrually cause a salt buildup. After I got the info from him I was pretty sure of what was going on. But I was getting nervous that the problem was getting worse before the plant corrected itself with the measures I took. Now that things are looking way better I am positive that I pinpointed what was going on. If I couldn't figure out what was going on after hearing he fed nutes with every watering and never flushed I probably should not be into genetics, because that is common growing knowledge

I appreciate you trying to help but they way you opened up your post saying don't blame my friend for compacting the soil down and not flushing sounded like you are implying it was my fault and I have no idea what I am doing. After 10 years if I don't know what I am doing I should NOT be growing.

It was funny hearing a stranger with 4 posts imply that it was my doing that caused the problems.
 

Kratose

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sometimes its worth jus cutting ur losses on some plants and binning them and starting again or jus chuck it into flower and hope it bucks its ideas up a bit. Did ur ww have that sweet citrusy smell almost like lemon sherbert?
Yeah, they are actually looking 100% better today, and the bud development is off the hook. Yeah, but it was a very mild citrus, a little more on the sweet side. Kinda just right. It was very tasty.
 

tmalonso

Member
Alright, I just read this whole thread and I think I am having the same problem as you are Kratose. I currently have an OG Kush mom that is having the same symptoms, grayish spots on yellowing leaves. After searching all over for info on OG Kush grows, I came across a video on youtube from attitude seedbank. They had a behind-the-scenes with Emerald Triangle video where one of the growers was discussing this issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqiPgUM4VZo is the link to the video. He is talking about OG Kush strains or strains that contain OG Kush and he mentions that strains with OG Kush genetics are typically VERY AGGRESSIVE FEEDERS. He mentions that OG Kush always requires a lot of N-P-K compared to other strains. If looking at your pictures, and assuming this is true, I believe you have multiple symptoms. It looks like your plant wants more of all three, slight yellowing could be related to some nitrogen and/or potassium shortage, and grayish 'dry-oil' spots on leaves could be related to phosphorus deficiencies. Seeing that the plant eats a ton, I suspect you may want to use a very complete NPK fertilizer, and use it at moderate strength. If yellowing goes away and spots stay, try buying some chelated phosphorus or some other form of phosphorus by itself so as not to create nute lockouts by over feeding with the Growbig. As you feed with the complete fertilizer, you may correct one problem and lock out nutes creating another, often when troubleshooting, using the individual ingredient needed to correct the problem is the safest way to ensure fixing one problem without creating a handful more. I'm currently using Earth Juice Grow at a somewhat weak concentration on my OG Kush mom and her 'oil spots' and yellowing are fading away...earth juice grow is surprising a 2-1-1 fertilizer, and is surprisingly strong and fast acting. The mom isn't completely healthy yet, but she's on her way back. Be sure to lay off the micro-nutes until you see an issue with deficiencies as OG Kush appears to have a reputation of eating a lot of NPK but not necessarily eating a lot of the micros. Hope this helps...as my problem isn't completely gone, I can't guarantee I'm correct, but I don't think anyone has given this opinion yet so I figured I would :) Best of luck with the OG Kush, if you can save her, she's amazing, huge yields, crazy potent and pungent, with sight smell and taste appeal...however, if you flower or clone while she's pissed about some nutrient problem, prepare to struggle, best to operate with this girl when she is green and growing. I did notice putting her clones into flower seems to create an even larger P-K shortage, but with Earth Juice Bloom and other additives I like, it seems to have enough to cover it. Even Fox Farm Tiger Bloom seems to have enough P-K to prevent the deficiencies...but I prefer organics :)
 
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