beardo
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I cant wait untill we get a prop on the ballot to legalize marijuana
Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.
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klmmicro
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I would love to see that too, but I would be very surprised if it got anywhere. The 2012 Herer initiative is a loss waiting to happen. With no carrot to dangle, it will suffer an even worse result. For now, we need to look at protecting our medical rights against law makers and legislatures who would seek its demise. Cooley is currently ahead by a very wide margin!
veggiegardener
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Thank goodness THAT'S changed!
klmmicro
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In freakin' deed!
Burger Boss
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Of course you can wait!.....I did, for close to 50 years, ......nothing to it.....you can do it standing on your head......Hell, I'll just wait for another 50, WTF!....as I said nothing to it.......it goooooeeeeesssssss byyyyyyyy SSSOOOOOOOOOO Faaaaassssstttttttttt!
Fucking enjoy YOUR wait.....................(and Steve Cooley)......BB
Sure Shot
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"Today, Californians recognized that legalizing marijuana will not make our citizens healthier, solve California's budget crisis, or reduce drug related violence in Mexico," White House Drug Policy Director Gil Kerlikowske said.
Watch out medical growers, politicians have now been affirmed of public opinion.
At least in their eyes.
Watch out medical growers, politicians have now been affirmed of public opinion.
At least in their eyes.
grow space
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Lets all hope 2012 will be better...
The Ruiner
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Oh calm down...two more wont kill you.
veggiegardener
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Good response!
Actually two years might kill some of us, but not the lack of P19's blessings.
I'm 60, and smoked my first "J" at 17.
Lessee....
Hmmmm..
That means I've been waiting a pretty long time, too.
If anybody my age can't get a recommendation, I think they haven't gone to the doctor.
They SURELY have SOMETHING wrong with them!
LOL!
klmmicro
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If you are referring to the Herer prop...that will fail as badly if not worse than the last. The same people who voted down 19 will be there for that one too. There will be yet another smear campaign by people afraid to lose their incomes. Also, they will have had 2 years to figure out what portions of their negative approach to 19 were most effective. The ship has sailed on straight up legalization.
As for Cooley, he lost his race. Would not matter anyway, he would be facing a majority democrat legislature. His opinion on cannabis would be moot. There could be a recount, but Democrats are masters of that process and he will lose again and again.
As for Cooley, he lost his race. Would not matter anyway, he would be facing a majority democrat legislature. His opinion on cannabis would be moot. There could be a recount, but Democrats are masters of that process and he will lose again and again.
klmmicro
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Not sure what you are trying to argue here. The SAME people who voted not on 19 will vote no on the next prop as well. It is my opinion, you are entitled to yours. Do you contend that the masses will read the next one and say, "Wow, it is not commercially driven prop at all...I think I will vote YES!"? Tell me how you think things will be different.removed
We all know that it was more than just "drug dealers" voting no. Evangelists, moralists and un-thinking conservatives did as well. Doubt they will ever be swayed. Maybe next time enough of the youth can be motivated to get to the polls, but for liberal issues...you simply cannot count on it.
i voted no. if a properly written prop were to be introduced i'd vote yes.
heeheehee! You just made the guy's point for him,
and you don't even realize it.
You and people like you will always vote no, because it will always be "improperly written."
not really true, but whatever feeds your hate.
i voted yes for 215.
veggiegardener
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not really true, but whatever feeds your hate.
i voted yes for 215.
There are some folks(mostly teabagger types = closed minds) that don't understand the concept of critical thinking. People who use that method of analysis not only READ, but endeavor to understand what they read.
Critical thinkers are capable of changing their minds, once their concerns are addressed, without prejudice. What we saw in this election was a TON of prejudice.
Dan Kone
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That will always be true with some people. However I do have faith that a more clearly written bill would get the support of the majority of no voters. Prop 19 should have been written in a way where we couldn't have a debate about the effects of it because everyone knew what it's effects would be.You and people like you will always vote no, because it will always be "improperly written."
Part of the problem was what happened with prop 19's backers in Oakland. When the city council gave out only a handful of permits with a very exclusive cost it scared people into thinking that is how it would be everywhere. That wasn't a problem with the text of the law, but it was something that prohibition supporters could point to that gave the impression that their interpretation of prop 19 was correct. Many reasonable people were convinced by that. They created a huge impression problem. Any future legalization efforts can learn a lot from that.
I know there will always be prohibition supports, but I think they are actually very few in numbers. I think a lot of folks (right or wrong) didn't vote for prop 19 because they weren't convinced it was legalization. I could be wrong about that, but I have to choose to be optimistic.
Hayduke
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Sorry I removed my post moments after writing it when I discovered that I had not read your post clearly...and had no argument....but anyways...the way it would be different is if "legalization" was not just a catch phrase...and as for the youth and liberal issues...what about Clinton and Obama???
Here, Here!i voted no. if a properly written prop were to be introduced i'd vote yes.
wow! "you and people like you" WTF...chuck?...sounds like "I am not a racist...some of my best friends are _____"heeheehee! You just made the guy's point for him,
and you don't even realize it.
You and people like you will always vote no, because it will always be "improperly written."
not really true, but whatever feeds your hate.
i voted yes for 215.
No optimism needed...I believe you are correct...Not close enough to legalization to even use the word!...soon it could be like the word "Theory"
And as for Oakland and the limited licensure...they are very pot friendly...few other counties are! It sure as hell would not have been very legal in Potroast's San Diego...look at the map of the vote by county...Thank you for always keeping your posts respectful and free of divisive name calling...very nice!
klmmicro
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I definitely appreciate that. Do you think even a well written prop would fair well though?i voted no. if a properly written prop were to be introduced i'd vote yes.
klmmicro
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The change in phrasing would have to be as you say. Neutral at best to remove the oppositions ability to rally around some slogan they make up.
Clinton to some degree and Obama for sure were sort of anomalies in the political world. For Clinton, we had a bad economy under Bush 1 and a lot of adults came out to vote that would normally have stayed home. The youth vote was there, but there was a strong turn out in the polls by 25-35 year old that were being hurt direclty by economy being sour. Obama is the first time that I can find where a large number of 18-25 year old people actually made the polls...this may or may not repeat as there is no "enemy" (Bush 2) to really rally against. If it does, we have a shot at seeing the next prop pass. Without it, I just cannot see it passing.
I have to agree that this thread has stayed clear of the "sand box" very well, even after reaching some pretty heated points. Agree or disagree with 19, cool heads prevailed.