1BMM's CAVE....

[1badmasonman]

Thanks Whodat and thanks for stoppin by my friend. Ive got the room setup to use the AC. I kinda doubt ill need it as temps are dropping in my parts. But ill have it just incase.

My more immediate issue is getting my lights powered up. I have yet to hard wire the cap controller into my breaker panel and im not even sure its possible.

Heres some pics of the scary fuse box.


Big box is the main fuse box. Smaller subpanel is my oven range. I basically need to duplicate the range subpanel with a 30 amp double poll breaker to the CAP light controller.

A few detailed pics.




This is the main panel. You can see how the wires for the range subpanel are run. They run up to a a sub feed lug and there are only 1 fkn set.




This is the range subpanel.

The cap light controller is mounted about 6 ft from the fuse box. The fuse panel itself is actually located within my veg space. So all my electrical is in the cave. Not the most ideal spot for it but it is what it is.

So this is what i need to wire in without burning down the house.


The white cap controller box. Its a simple install and if this panel was modern id know just how to hook it up. But this old style fuse stuff gets me knees knockin hahahah. More worried aou a fire in the night than anything.

Thats why i want to run the lights off a dedicated line. Much safer that way with old wiring like mine.

Ill take all the advice i can get. Jig man I know you know this stuff. what do you think?

1BMM

 

[jigfresh]

Woah shit. That's some old school right there. I know about as much as you about that fuse shit. Modern panel, I'd know just how to do it (like you). Don't think I'd be able to help much... at least not with it being safe. I could research and probably find out how to get it running but I wouldn't trust it.

Sorry bru. Maybe there are some sparky's watching. I'd post a thread asking if anyone were more knowlegeable on the issue.

Sucks. Sorry again. Good luck.

 

[jfa916]

you are one badass mothafucker huh lol +rep bro

 

[1badmasonman]

Woah shit. That's some old school right there. I know about as much as you about that fuse shit. Modern panel, I'd know just how to do it (like you). Don't think I'd be able to help much... at least not with it being safe. I could research and probably find out how to get it running but I wouldn't trust it.

Sorry bru. Maybe there are some sparky's watching. I'd post a thread asking if anyone were more knowlegeable on the issue.

Sucks. Sorry again. Good luck.

No sweat Jig my man, I think im going to get my sparky pal in there to sort it out. I dont trust me when it comes to electrical. Better safe than sorry is my modo. As old as that wiring is i may just upgrade the whole panel to a modern one. But thanks for trying to help me brotha. Mucho gracious.

you are one badass mothafucker huh lol +rep bro

Hahaha well Im starting to think im more crazy then bad ass haha. But thanks dude.

SO getting a sparky in. Gonna literally have to go find the mofo but hes a person i can trust.

Ill let yee know how things come out. 1BMM

 

[DST]

good luck bru, I have a modern panel and my knees get shakey just looking at it....I've got a sparky friend coming in to put some new lines in for me as well......

No sweat Jig my man, I think im going to get my sparky pal in there to sort it out. I dont trust me when it comes to electrical. Better safe than sorry is my modo. As old as that wiring is i may just upgrade the whole panel to a modern one. But thanks for trying to help me brotha. Mucho gracious.




Hahaha well Im starting to think im more crazy then bad ass haha. But thanks dude.

SO getting a sparky in. Gonna literally have to go find the mofo but hes a person i can trust.

Ill let yee know how things come out. 1BMM

 

[GreenBuddha619]

Awesome 1BMM! Grow room is looking awesome! I'm Stoked for you (Not for having to wire in the light controlled in to the fuse box though!) Can't wait to see it when you get all the girls in there!

 

[Heads Up]

masonman, what size service is that panel? Is it a 100 amp panel? The service I replaced last summer was stone age. An old 60 amp service with five circuits in it...it looked worse than yours masonman. I now have a new two hundred amp panel with circuit breakers. My suggestion, if you can find the sparky you know, get him to change your panel to circuit breakers.

Edit...that does not change the service coming into your house. If your service is 100A, changing the panel will still only give you a hundred amps, it just makes wiring stuff into it easier and safer.

 

[1badmasonman]

Top of the morning gents.

good luck bru, I have a modern panel and my knees get shakey just looking at it....I've got a sparky friend coming in to put some new lines in for me as well......

I hear ya D. Scary stuff lol.

Awesome 1BMM! Grow room is looking awesome! I'm Stoked for you (Not for having to wire in the light controlled in to the fuse box though!) Can't wait to see it when you get all the girls in there!

Thanks Buddha. Just a few more hurdles to get through

masonman, what size service is that panel? Is it a 100 amp panel? The service I replaced last summer was stone age. An old 60 amp service with five circuits in it...it looked worse than yours masonman. I now have a new two hundred amp panel with circuit breakers. My suggestion, if you can find the sparky you know, get him to change your panel to circuit breakers.

Edit...that does not change the service coming into your house. If your service is 100A, changing the panel will still only give you a hundred amps, it just makes wiring stuff into it easier and safer.

Ayy Headsup. Its a 60 amp panel. The more i look at this thing I think im just going to changout the whole mess for a breaker panel. Now i just hope my sparky pal is still around town or ill be fuct

 

[GreenBuddha619]

The anticipation would be killing me! I would have just threw em in there with all my shit half assed! Good to get it all dialed in first so less problems later which = Better Ganj!

 

[1badmasonman]

Actually it is killin me buddha lol. Ive come to the conclusion at this point that im going to have to change out my fuse box for a breaker panel. I still have time though as my clones need to root. In all reality i could just run the same setup from my previous grows. I just cant run the AC if i need it cause i will blow the curcuit fuse.

I do have some new strains in the works from seed.


Timewarp X Romulan


Heres the first Timewarp to pop through soil. 4 days from germ. not timewarp x romulan Just plain ole timewarp reg.



mmmm grape APE!!!!

 

[GreenBuddha619]

Nice! Can't wait to see the Grape Ape...Strain I've been wanting to try. My girls are at 31 days of flowering and I'm already wanting to get a veg tent up and started. Money a little tight atm but it's killing me too! Hopefully with it being winter and with the cooltube heat won't get too bad and you won't need to AC. You got a grump of a fan too so hopefully that will suck a lot of the hot air out!

 

[Dezracer]

I don't have much experience with fuse panels either but I can ask a good friend that's an elec contractor if there's much difference and I can show him the pics of your fuse panel to see what he thinks if you like. I don't know if will help you achieve your goal but maybe it's not as big a deal as we think, you know? Could be that he'll say it's not a big deal and spell out ecactly what you'd need to do if you wanted to try it yourself. Then again, he may say don't F with it. Couldn't hurt to ask though.

I've always done whatever light elec work I had on my projects myself and then I call him when there's either a lot of elec work or if we are changing out the service to the house. He's pretty easy going so if it's honestly not difficult or dangerous, he'll say so.

 

[bajafox]

Nice strains man, got a ways to go on those seedlings but you'll be cutting them down before you know it!

 

[Heads Up]

Masonman, as I'm sure you are aware changing the service panel is not changing your service. You will still have a sixty amp service into your house even with a new panel. Now for the bad news. I have a small house, really small. I wanted to change from my old sixty amp to a one hundred fifty amp, here there is no such thing any longer, it's two hundred amp services and up. I had an old sparky friend do my complete change out, new service, new meter and panel box, nine hundred dollars. I didn't want him to know what I was doing, he does not partake, so I had him run two 12/2 with ground circuits into the center of my attic, for 'future' needs I told him. After they had gone, I went up there with a four inch square box, made my connections, grounded the box, and continued the run into my grow room with the two new 20a circuits. It is illegal to splice in the attic like I did but I seriously doubt there will be any city inspectors coming around to critique my work.

The grape ape, again, be careful and watch for nanners after a couple weeks into flower. I have also noticed the nanners tend to pop out around the bottom branches. I generally trim the lower parts of my plants, so wherever your lowest branches start, look for them there. It also holds true for my dog, she's throwing off some, also around the lower branching. After a few days of picking off the nanners, it stopped throwing them out. For the bright part, the grape ape is amazing. It is far outpacing the other strains. The two timewarps are starting to fill in a bit but they are both stretchy. My one white widow is stretchy, the other two I supercropped the tops and the side branching is growing straight up, they should be nice producers. I'll post up some new pics this weekend. I'm off today, lack of work for the day.

 

[1badmasonman]

Nice! Can't wait to see the Grape Ape...Strain I've been wanting to try. My girls are at 31 days of flowering and I'm already wanting to get a veg tent up and started. Money a little tight atm but it's killing me too! Hopefully with it being winter and with the cooltube heat won't get too bad and you won't need to AC. You got a grump of a fan too so hopefully that will suck a lot of the hot air out!

You shouldnt need an AC in the winter Buddha especially eith a cooltube. Summer time its mandatory atleast for my setup.

I don't have much experience with fuse panels either but I can ask a good friend that's an elec contractor if there's much difference and I can show him the pics of your fuse panel to see what he thinks if you like. I don't know if will help you achieve your goal but maybe it's not as big a deal as we think, you know? Could be that he'll say it's not a big deal and spell out ecactly what you'd need to do if you wanted to try it yourself. Then again, he may say don't F with it. Couldn't hurt to ask though.

I've always done whatever light elec work I had on my projects myself and then I call him when there's either a lot of elec work or if we are changing out the service to the house. He's pretty easy going so if it's honestly not difficult or dangerous, he'll say so.

Dude that would fucking ROCK Dez. Id sure appreciate that bro.

Nice strains man, got a ways to go on those seedlings but you'll be cutting them down before you know it!

Yeppers Baja. Going for my first run hydro with DOG Headband & Blue widow. Next run will be all Timewarp And Romulan Timewarp.

Masonman, as I'm sure you are aware changing the service panel is not changing your service. You will still have a sixty amp service into your house even with a new panel. Now for the bad news. I have a small house, really small. I wanted to change from my old sixty amp to a one hundred fifty amp, here there is no such thing any longer, it's two hundred amp services and up. I had an old sparky friend do my complete change out, new service, new meter and panel box, nine hundred dollars. I didn't want him to know what I was doing, he does not partake, so I had him run two 12/2 with ground circuits into the center of my attic, for 'future' needs I told him. After they had gone, I went up there with a four inch square box, made my connections, grounded the box, and continued the run into my grow room with the two new 20a circuits. It is illegal to splice in the attic like I did but I seriously doubt there will be any city inspectors coming around to critique my work.

The grape ape, again, be careful and watch for nanners after a couple weeks into flower. I have also noticed the nanners tend to pop out around the bottom branches. I generally trim the lower parts of my plants, so wherever your lowest branches start, look for them there. It also holds true for my dog, she's throwing off some, also around the lower branching. After a few days of picking off the nanners, it stopped throwing them out. For the bright part, the grape ape is amazing. It is far outpacing the other strains. The two timewarps are starting to fill in a bit but they are both stretchy. My one white widow is stretchy, the other two I supercropped the tops and the side branching is growing straight up, they should be nice producers. I'll post up some new pics this weekend. I'm off today, lack of work for the day.

Huh I was wondering that Headsup when you said my service will remain 60 amp. It would likely have to be upgraded and inspected by the city if i do upgrade. Son of a bitch haha. Well I suppose if i have to ill just eliminate the cap controller and keep running off 3 dif curcuits via extension cords into the room We shal see.

 

[WWShadow]

Have you tried posting your question in this thread https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/181708-experienced-electrician-here-answer-any.html

 

[Heads Up]

Your service from the city to your house needs to be upgraded to 200A also in order for you to have a two hundred amp service. If you change your panel and not your service, you still only have a sixty amp service no matter the amount of breaker space or the size of the panel...and yes, you will have to draw a permit and have a city inspection done. All my stuff is on the outside of my house so it posed no problem for the inspection. If the panel is in your house, they're coming in to see it. My state requires two grounding rods placed ten foot apart, not just one and a lighting arrester. If you choose to go this route, make sure you try to coordinate the timing so your electrician is there when they cut power and more importantly be sure they can come back that afternoon to energize your service. They may need to do a new overhead drop and you might need a new riser to connect to their drop. There's a lot of things to know, best to get a sparky who knows the local codes if you can.

 

[Dezracer]

$900 is actually pretty cheap for that wotk HU. It must be your state or area. Where I live and work something like that wouldn't get done for under $1500 and usually around $2000 for a service upgrade. We've done lot's of them in the past few years, almost every room addition came with a service upgrade unless it was a pretty new home. Most homes here have a 100A service (mine is included in this) and typically the customer will want to upgrade to 200A so they can put in a pool later or install some huge jacuzzi.

The last one I did was an addition that went vertical where the guy increased his ceiling height in the living room and created a deck for a roof with glass railing and a big ass jacuzzi up there. $220,00 just so he could see over the people across the street for an ocean view, LOL. We tore that guys house to shit but when we were done it was awesome. After demo his neighbors could look out their windows and see him in his kitchen because he had no walls around the living room. It was pure comedy.

 

[Dezracer]

Oh, I put in a call to my buddy just now after reading your post. I'm sure he'll call me back tomorrow morning since he goes to bed really early so he can start early. It's the same guy that the one I was just telling you about. We still laugh about that one because the homeowner thought he'd save some money or something by talking straight to my electrician about some extra lighting and fans. He didn't realize we'd known each other for longer than just his house, LOL.

My buddy just told him that he doesn't get involved with stuff like that and then he called me as soon as the H.O. left. About 30 minutes later the H.O called me asking what I'd charge for the stuff. I felt like telling him double what it should cost just to be a dick but I didn't. We still gave him a deal

 

[1badmasonman]

Ok fellas I have went back to my original setup for the time being. My clones will be rooted sooner than i can get all that work done. And My main reason for wanting to upgrade was for fire safety purposes. Shit if i fuck with it now i may be in more danger of a fire. lol. So at any rate i hooked up my lights to the shock guard load box and ran both lights. Its geared to shut down like a gfci outlet. Done 3 grows this way so far with no problems at all. Just like the idea of using one timer. The shitty ones i do have that run on reg 110 cant handle 2 600 watters, ill just have to run 2 what the hayy for now it will do. Cant be having any inspections at this point.