Nice Ol Bud
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Very Good Mate.
The Art of The Auto
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Dale Dickerson
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just got my new beans in.
going to mix up my usual crops with some lowryder diesel and snowryder (have 2 of each germing in soil now w/ baggies over the pot) and picked up some of flash's auto purple mazar for comparison to PJ.
I'm going to hold off on the PJ / auto mazar comparo until the spring I'm thinking though, I want to do 4 of each, 1 of each in a pot together w/ maybe another plant or two indoors and outdoors, 1 of each in my typical 5.5"x5.5" pots I normally use indoors and the same outdoors.
I want to see the difference between big pot multiple plants, small pots single plants, indoors, outdoors, etc. mainly to satisfy my curiosity as I've fallen inlove with this PJ and want to know all that I can before I try to start breeding.
going to mix up my usual crops with some lowryder diesel and snowryder (have 2 of each germing in soil now w/ baggies over the pot) and picked up some of flash's auto purple mazar for comparison to PJ.
I'm going to hold off on the PJ / auto mazar comparo until the spring I'm thinking though, I want to do 4 of each, 1 of each in a pot together w/ maybe another plant or two indoors and outdoors, 1 of each in my typical 5.5"x5.5" pots I normally use indoors and the same outdoors.
I want to see the difference between big pot multiple plants, small pots single plants, indoors, outdoors, etc. mainly to satisfy my curiosity as I've fallen inlove with this PJ and want to know all that I can before I try to start breeding.
John Mondello
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me 2! rooster tails and I also like blue foxes.. (silver)
Dale Dickerson
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not that I know of.
John Mondello
Active Member
I like your way of thinking
John Mondello
Active Member
Not that I know of either... in fact I've only once ever had a bug problem in all the time I've grown... it was white spider mites... lady bugs kicked their ass in about 2 weeks.
FullDuplex
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It's good to see another fisherman in the group also. Nothing like being stoned and having a big one on the line. WHAT A RUSH!!!
Ahh guys after my own heart. I love a trout on the line. There is nothing better than standing in a stream
with a fattie and catching some trout. When i go to the Blue ridge mountains thats what i am doing
family owns some land and we have a camper on it right off the stream. The same stream that i caught a
4lb11oz 21.5 in long Brown trout
And actually just got back from bow fishing tonight. Now if you want to try something fun
give this a go if you ever get a chance its a blast.
John Mondello
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Bow fishing! yes!... My dad used to have a setup for that... sadly hegave it away before I was old enough to claim it! But admittedly, I grew up tickling and spearing as well as line fishing trout... east branch delaware river catskill mountains.... and when you posted your pics of the BRM's I got a big old "trout woodie"Ahh guys after my own heart. I love a trout on the line. There is nothing better than standing in a stream
with a fattie and catching some trout. When i go to the Blue ridge mountains thats what i am doing
family owns some land and we have a camper on it right off the stream. The same stream that i caught a
4lb11oz 21.5 in long Brown trout
And actually just got back from bow fishing tonight. Now if you want to try something fun
give this a go if you ever get a chance its a blast.
lol
J
Harry Bald Sack
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Sounds like an awesome place Duplex. I live pretty close to a trout stream. I usually take a couple of two day trips down river every summer (camping one night in between) There is nothing like complete solitude, some good dank buds. a couple of good brews, some fresh trout to cook up (if the river otters don't steal them). Believe me, it happened and it is something I will probably talk about until the day I die... Oh, and some blues harp by the fireside.
John Mondello
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very nice! sounds like similar experiences to mine as well...
Harry Bald Sack
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Mossy! You are just the guy I probably need to talk to. OK... I started to germ yesterday and I went to peak at my 1 DOUBLE DIESEL RYDER and it had already popped so I went on to look at the 2 EASY RYDERS and they had popped as well, (Whole sphagnum moss is the way to go.. pretty amazing, 3 out of 3 in less than 24?) Anyways, I noticed that 2 of the 8 beans I received were allot darker and much larger than the rest. Both were DDR's and I have 5 of them. So my question is this.. Do you think the different looking seeds could have any correlation with my possible, "non auto DDR scare"? I know that 2 seeds from a plant can look very different but these 2 are rediculously different than all of the rest of the auto's I received. Oh, and the 1 DDR that I started was one of the oddball ones, so I can eliminate that option if it starts auto flowering. Just thought that you would have some insight on the seed characteristics since you are the man with the master plan.
Harry Bald Sack
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Forgive me if this is a total noob theory but common logic would lead you believe that there would be some difference in the beans. Then again, I am a noob.
They are all fems btw.
They are all fems btw.
K21701
Active Member
Why 24 hours of light? I know that autos are not a photoperiod plant and flower by age but every thing needs a period of rest....from the reading I have been doing, autos grow best on 18/6 or 20/4.....
John Mondello
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think they got a ways to go looking at em... really best to look at the trichomes on the buds and look if they are clear / cloudy / amber.
Typicall a good clearer high is the 50% clear / 50% cloudy range... if you prefer more of a sleepy high and typically more medicinal effect... go for cloudy to amber.
I agree on the light as well... you should dial back from everything I've learned on here and also... dont you rest once a day? let your girls rest once a day.... and give them a kiss for me as they are sexy ladies!
J
John Mondello
Active Member
light off time is typically root and leaf growth so they can gather more energy to grow what you want them to.
K21701
Active Member
This is some info on autos that was on another site:
The original auto-flowering strain was created by The Joint Doctor and Highbred seeds.This is the revolutionary Lowryer.It was created by back breeding Northern Lights and William's Wonder with a Mexican Ruderalis.The amazing thing about this new strain was that the only Ruderalis trait left was the auto-flowering gene.This means that flowering is triggered by age rather then light/dark schedule.
The lifetime of the plants is short, lasting only 9 - 11 weeks.Within 2 weeks males will show themselves with the female showing around a week after that.From there the females go into a quick and violent flowering stage.They only reach an average highth of 12" with average harvests of 25 grams give or take depending on growing conditions.Giving it maximum stealth outside with up to three harvests a year.The size of the containers used will dramasticly effect size.Most growers use 1 - 2 gallon containers and can get well over an ounce out of each plant.
Due to the quick lifespan cloning becomes impracticable and is only grown from seeds.Since a separate light schedule isn't needed a grower can vegetate and flower in the same area.This creates new possibilities for small or macro operations.A small grow area can sustain a continuous S.O.G. giving a fresh harvest every few weeks.Most auto growers keep their lights at 18/6 or 20/4.A 12/12 schedule will dramatically hurt the final yield.
After the benefits of auto's was realized breeders began playing with them trying to make them bigger,stronger,and more potent.After Lowryder came Lowryder 2, also by the Joint doctor and using Santa Maria genetics.From these two strains a vast array of strains have been created in the last few years.With Low Life seeds, Mdanzig, and Dutchbreed joining to the new auto movement.Some of these new strains are said to have up to 23% Thc!
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Here are some of the strains available on the market -
Joint Doctor Highbred seeds- Lowryder , Lowrider 2 , Dieselryder , Snowryder(?)
Low Life Seeds- Automatic AK-47 , Automatic Blueberry, Automatic Lemon Skunk, Automatic White Russian, Automatic Hindu Kush
Mdanzig seeds- Masterlow, Power Stout, Blue Streak
Dutchbreed- Lowberry, Blue Barrel, Little Red Ryderhood, Lowryder Mint, Low Master, Mini Thunderfuck, Short Term Amnesia
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Here is the Joint Doctors grow guide for the original Lowryder-
OFFICIAL LOWRYDER GROW GUIDE (10/04) - written by the Joint doctor
Preferred growing methods
Indoors, Lowryder performs very well in soil mix (pots or beds) or in soil-less systems, where it can be cultivated from seed to bud in two months 18 hours of light per day is recommended all the way through. Switching light cycles down to 12 hours may diminish yields and shorten the already-short life cycle slightly. Because Lowryders life cycle is so brief, cloning becomes impracticable, so only plants from seed are grown. By default, Lowryder is a great choice for sea-of-green.
Because flowering plants and seedlings can be maintained in the same room, Lowryder presents new possibilities for the small to medium home grower, including staggering your indoor harvest. A true continuous harvest system may be achieved by planting new plants periodically to replace the ones that have been harvested. This ensures that a grow
room is always full and always producing fresh bud, and one never has too much work at once. Click here to learn more about the Joint Doctors 1-2-3 continuous harvest method.
For best results, place jiffy pellet or plant directly into 1-2 gal.pots. Alternatively, start in 4-inch peat pots, then place
rootbound females into a plant bed after sexing (at approx. 17-20 days) this may result in smaller plants than the first method. Grown under a 12 to 24 hour/daylight cycle from start to finish. I recommend 18 hours per day; this can be decreased to 16 after the first month with no loss of yield.
Outdoors: sow directly into soil after soaking, in 2 gal. pots or plant beds. New stands of Lowryder can be planted up until late summer, to ensure a continuous harvest outdoors. Avoid transplanting if you can, but do so if plants become rootbound. Rogue (remove) males at three weeks.
Growth Factors
Lowryder is extremely versatile in that it can be cultivated in virtually any climate or grow environment. In fact, it has pushed the envelope of growing, enabling early harvests in unlikely places like Finland, the North West Territories, and other northern, short-season, or high altitude areas. It is also well-adapted to backyard gardens, windowsills and patios where plants can be easily concealed because of their tiny size.
Nothing will mature earlier or faster than Lowryder! When other varieties have barely begun flowering, Lowryder outdoor growers are kicking up their feet and already enjoying their fresh harvests.
Characteristics
Lowryder virtually does away with the vegetative growth stage: it passes almost immediately from the seedling stage to the flowering period. To our knowledge, Lowryder has the shortest known life cycle and height in the cannabis species.
Male plants may be identified as such after approx. 17-20 days, while females show themselves a couple days later. Plants will even flower under a continuous light regime.
Lowryder females usually grow no taller than 16-20 inches. 12-16 inches is typical. Light intensity, pot size, and proper pH all play an important role in determining the size of plants at maturity the better the conditions, the bigger the yield. Plants produce one main cola, although when they receive adequate light, lower nodes branch out profusely.
Yield and height are dependent on obvious growth factors. For example, plants kept in small peat cups on a windowsill may yield as little as 1 g. and grow no taller than 6 inches, with no branching whatsoever; while a plant in a 4-gallon container under high-intensity lighting and good cultivation methods, can turn into a profusely branched, two-foot wide 45-gram bud monster.
Fertilizer: During the first two weeks of growth, Lowryder should be weekly light feedings of a grow type nutrient solution, with micronutrients. When plants pass into full flower, they should be started on a bloom regime for weeks 4 through 6. Mycorise-type biological amendments (root stimulators) seem to increase growth significantly.
Average flowering time
Indoors: 40-45 days (after a 15-20 day seedling stage)
Outdoors: ripens approx. 60 days after seed is sown.
Note: 100% of plants display the auto-flowering genotype.
AVERAGE HEIGHT
12 inches. Minimum: 5 inches, maximum 16 inches (very light-dependent, with slight phenotype variations).
YIELD
Depending on light and other factors, Lowryder yields up to 45 g one report even claims 96 g for one exceptional plant under hydroponics. Extremely light-dependent in terms of yield. Without adequate conditions, plants may stay extremely small, almost comically so but still produce a decent smoke.
Buds are compacted close-quartered, slightly irregular and variable, with high bud/leaf ratio. Thick pistils, with orange coloration, and medium-sized, individual calyxes. Tends to be top-heavy indoors. Typically, budding sites start very close to the ground.
High is uplifting, surprisingly strong. Well-rounded. Best suited for outdoor activities. Smoke is smooth with pleasant, earthy undertones. Smell is not overpowering. Unique flavor, with echoes of NL and Williams Wonder in the bouquet.
The original auto-flowering strain was created by The Joint Doctor and Highbred seeds.This is the revolutionary Lowryer.It was created by back breeding Northern Lights and William's Wonder with a Mexican Ruderalis.The amazing thing about this new strain was that the only Ruderalis trait left was the auto-flowering gene.This means that flowering is triggered by age rather then light/dark schedule.
The lifetime of the plants is short, lasting only 9 - 11 weeks.Within 2 weeks males will show themselves with the female showing around a week after that.From there the females go into a quick and violent flowering stage.They only reach an average highth of 12" with average harvests of 25 grams give or take depending on growing conditions.Giving it maximum stealth outside with up to three harvests a year.The size of the containers used will dramasticly effect size.Most growers use 1 - 2 gallon containers and can get well over an ounce out of each plant.
Due to the quick lifespan cloning becomes impracticable and is only grown from seeds.Since a separate light schedule isn't needed a grower can vegetate and flower in the same area.This creates new possibilities for small or macro operations.A small grow area can sustain a continuous S.O.G. giving a fresh harvest every few weeks.Most auto growers keep their lights at 18/6 or 20/4.A 12/12 schedule will dramatically hurt the final yield.
After the benefits of auto's was realized breeders began playing with them trying to make them bigger,stronger,and more potent.After Lowryder came Lowryder 2, also by the Joint doctor and using Santa Maria genetics.From these two strains a vast array of strains have been created in the last few years.With Low Life seeds, Mdanzig, and Dutchbreed joining to the new auto movement.Some of these new strains are said to have up to 23% Thc!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are some of the strains available on the market -
Joint Doctor Highbred seeds- Lowryder , Lowrider 2 , Dieselryder , Snowryder(?)
Low Life Seeds- Automatic AK-47 , Automatic Blueberry, Automatic Lemon Skunk, Automatic White Russian, Automatic Hindu Kush
Mdanzig seeds- Masterlow, Power Stout, Blue Streak
Dutchbreed- Lowberry, Blue Barrel, Little Red Ryderhood, Lowryder Mint, Low Master, Mini Thunderfuck, Short Term Amnesia
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the Joint Doctors grow guide for the original Lowryder-
OFFICIAL LOWRYDER GROW GUIDE (10/04) - written by the Joint doctor
Preferred growing methods
Indoors, Lowryder performs very well in soil mix (pots or beds) or in soil-less systems, where it can be cultivated from seed to bud in two months 18 hours of light per day is recommended all the way through. Switching light cycles down to 12 hours may diminish yields and shorten the already-short life cycle slightly. Because Lowryders life cycle is so brief, cloning becomes impracticable, so only plants from seed are grown. By default, Lowryder is a great choice for sea-of-green.
Because flowering plants and seedlings can be maintained in the same room, Lowryder presents new possibilities for the small to medium home grower, including staggering your indoor harvest. A true continuous harvest system may be achieved by planting new plants periodically to replace the ones that have been harvested. This ensures that a grow
room is always full and always producing fresh bud, and one never has too much work at once. Click here to learn more about the Joint Doctors 1-2-3 continuous harvest method.
For best results, place jiffy pellet or plant directly into 1-2 gal.pots. Alternatively, start in 4-inch peat pots, then place
rootbound females into a plant bed after sexing (at approx. 17-20 days) this may result in smaller plants than the first method. Grown under a 12 to 24 hour/daylight cycle from start to finish. I recommend 18 hours per day; this can be decreased to 16 after the first month with no loss of yield.
Outdoors: sow directly into soil after soaking, in 2 gal. pots or plant beds. New stands of Lowryder can be planted up until late summer, to ensure a continuous harvest outdoors. Avoid transplanting if you can, but do so if plants become rootbound. Rogue (remove) males at three weeks.
Growth Factors
Lowryder is extremely versatile in that it can be cultivated in virtually any climate or grow environment. In fact, it has pushed the envelope of growing, enabling early harvests in unlikely places like Finland, the North West Territories, and other northern, short-season, or high altitude areas. It is also well-adapted to backyard gardens, windowsills and patios where plants can be easily concealed because of their tiny size.
Nothing will mature earlier or faster than Lowryder! When other varieties have barely begun flowering, Lowryder outdoor growers are kicking up their feet and already enjoying their fresh harvests.
Characteristics
Lowryder virtually does away with the vegetative growth stage: it passes almost immediately from the seedling stage to the flowering period. To our knowledge, Lowryder has the shortest known life cycle and height in the cannabis species.
Male plants may be identified as such after approx. 17-20 days, while females show themselves a couple days later. Plants will even flower under a continuous light regime.
Lowryder females usually grow no taller than 16-20 inches. 12-16 inches is typical. Light intensity, pot size, and proper pH all play an important role in determining the size of plants at maturity the better the conditions, the bigger the yield. Plants produce one main cola, although when they receive adequate light, lower nodes branch out profusely.
Yield and height are dependent on obvious growth factors. For example, plants kept in small peat cups on a windowsill may yield as little as 1 g. and grow no taller than 6 inches, with no branching whatsoever; while a plant in a 4-gallon container under high-intensity lighting and good cultivation methods, can turn into a profusely branched, two-foot wide 45-gram bud monster.
Fertilizer: During the first two weeks of growth, Lowryder should be weekly light feedings of a grow type nutrient solution, with micronutrients. When plants pass into full flower, they should be started on a bloom regime for weeks 4 through 6. Mycorise-type biological amendments (root stimulators) seem to increase growth significantly.
Average flowering time
Indoors: 40-45 days (after a 15-20 day seedling stage)
Outdoors: ripens approx. 60 days after seed is sown.
Note: 100% of plants display the auto-flowering genotype.
AVERAGE HEIGHT
12 inches. Minimum: 5 inches, maximum 16 inches (very light-dependent, with slight phenotype variations).
YIELD
Depending on light and other factors, Lowryder yields up to 45 g one report even claims 96 g for one exceptional plant under hydroponics. Extremely light-dependent in terms of yield. Without adequate conditions, plants may stay extremely small, almost comically so but still produce a decent smoke.
Buds are compacted close-quartered, slightly irregular and variable, with high bud/leaf ratio. Thick pistils, with orange coloration, and medium-sized, individual calyxes. Tends to be top-heavy indoors. Typically, budding sites start very close to the ground.
High is uplifting, surprisingly strong. Well-rounded. Best suited for outdoor activities. Smoke is smooth with pleasant, earthy undertones. Smell is not overpowering. Unique flavor, with echoes of NL and Williams Wonder in the bouquet.