Senate Bill S510, Food Control

[Balzac89]

That would explain the huge jump in wheat and rice prices, but why is the price of all commodities going up as well? Iron, Gold, Silver, Copper, Aluminum, Lithium, Cobalt, platinum. Surely the weather cannot affect those.

Whenever the economy is shitty prices drop as in the last three years in the market. The prices are rising because our economy is picking up speed. Gold is what people invest their money in when the economy is bad because people just keep buying gold. You'll see once prices drop on gold our economy is good. When the economy is good people invest in stocks of companies.

 

[klmmicro]

Theres alot of people that need to be fed in the world. Small farms aren't going to be able to supply it all. It is just economics and when all these farms close and we can't produce enough food, so prices will increase. Then small businesses would be able to make enough to survive.

What about those of us who do not want the processed junk food that is made available from the huge commercial operations? I work hard to stay away from mass produced foods as they have little in the way of nutrition and less in the way of flavor. This bill forces the smaller operation that actually cares about what they produce out of business. Their product is is demand, but the added cost from following the new laws threatens to put them under. This law will make NOTHING safer...find a single story where the food borne illness was from a farmers market. All it does is force more people to the mass production farms as those entities have the extra capital to absorb the loss.

 

[Balzac89]

What about those of us who do not want the processed junk food that is made available from the huge commercial operations? I work hard to stay away from mass produced foods as they have little in the way of nutrition and less in the way of flavor. This bill forces the smaller operation that actually cares about what they produce out of business. Their product is is demand, but the added cost from following the new laws threatens to put them under. This law will make NOTHING safer...find a single story where the food borne illness was from a farmers market. All it does is force more people to the mass production farms as those entities have the extra capital to absorb the loss.

Buy some land and sit on it. I don't know what else to say.

 

[Balzac89]

I admit it is the root of the problem with these big farms, but that's life.

 

[NoDrama]

Whenever the economy is shitty prices drop as in the last three years in the market. The prices are rising because our economy is picking up speed. Gold is what people invest their money in when the economy is bad because people just keep buying gold. You'll see once prices drop on gold our economy is good. When the economy is good people invest in stocks of companies.

If the economy is doing so well, since prices on commodities have been on the rise for the last 2 years, why are we seeing more and more unemployment, more and more under water homes. More people on Welfare, more people on Food Stamps, An increase in the unemployment rate. Why do we need QE2 if its going so well? I don't think your explanation fits very well my friend.

 

[Balzac89]

It's relative to the entire world. Our economy is shittier than Chinas, you act like U.S. is end all be all of the world.

 

[klmmicro]

Buy some land and sit on it. I don't know what else to say.

I should not have to do that. There were farms producing what I desired before some unneeded legislation came about. This law will not make anything safer, will put small farms under and limit consumer choice. Sounds like a win to you?

 

[Hayduke]

if you know how the law works, sets the stage for future legislation supporting small farming and putting tighter regulation on destructive industrial ag.

Did you type that with a straight face?

 

[klmmicro]

It's relative to the entire world. Our economy is shittier than Chinas, you act like U.S. is end all be all of the world.

Used to be just that before our political system started shifting from representative to pure bureaucracy...people had a chance to build their own life. Now we get to do only those things that the rulers allow. I happen to live in the US, so while it may not be perfect, it is MY end all be all in this world. Nothing else out there looks all that inviting. Been to China...could care less how good their economy is. The place sucks!

 

[poonjoon]

Whenever the economy is shitty prices drop as in the last three years in the market. The prices are rising because our economy is picking up speed. Gold is what people invest their money in when the economy is bad because people just keep buying gold. You'll see once prices drop on gold our economy is good. When the economy is good people invest in stocks of companies.

Not true.

Just because prices drop doesn't mean the economy is "shitty", nor do prices drop because the economy is "shitty". A drop in prices can happen when an economy is very healthy and stable; it used to be that a drop in prices signaled a healthy economy. Today, this is not true because of our fiat money system and constant manipulation of interest rates.

An increase in price does not mean the economy is "picking up speed"; nor do price increases happen because of a healthy economy. Prices can rise significantly and the economy can still be in the gutter; for example, the Weimar Republic Germany from 1921-1923.

Commodities have risen in price due to the mass manipulation of currencies throughout the world, especially with the international reserve currency - the US dollar. Gold has nothing to do with whether the economy will be "good" or is "good". Gold is a true currency; the recent bull cycle of gold (beginning around 1999-2000) is due to the lack of confidence in fiat currencies. Fiat currencies are not "money"; people tend to have a very skewed view and misunderstanding of what money exactly is.

Gold will not be "dropping" in prices anytime soon. There will be reversions, retracements and pullbacks but the overall trend will not turn around.

One would have to be a fool to be bullish on the US dollar. There are absolutely zero fundamentals that back the US dollar. No money manager or investor in his right mind would be making pro-dollar moves, they would be making defensive investments against the dollar collapse.



Edit: I've been extremely bullish on agriculture since 2007. I've been extremely bullish on commodities since 2007 and I have a lot of my investments in gold, silver, platinum and palladium.

 

[Viagro]

VICTORY GARDENS lol

That was a good example of how people manage in times of hunger. If you think that's funny, so be it. But you won't think it's funny if you ever live through a shortage.

I'm beginning to think you're a complete idiot.

 

[NoDrama]

Not true.

Just because prices drop doesn't mean the economy is "shitty", nor do prices drop because the economy is "shitty". A drop in prices can happen when an economy is very healthy and stable; it used to be that a drop in prices signaled a healthy economy. Today, this is not true because of our fiat money system and constant manipulation of interest rates.

An increase in price does not mean the economy is "picking up speed"; nor do price increases happen because of a healthy economy. Prices can rise significantly and the economy can still be in the gutter; for example, the Weimar Republic Germany from 1921-1923.

Commodities have risen in price due to the mass manipulation of currencies throughout the world, especially with the international reserve currency - the US dollar. Gold has nothing to do with whether the economy will be "good" or is "good". Gold is a true currency; the recent bull cycle of gold (beginning around 1999-2000) is due to the lack of confidence in fiat currencies. Fiat currencies are not "money"; people tend to have a very skewed view and misunderstanding of what money exactly is.

Gold will not be "dropping" in prices anytime soon. There will be reversions, retracements and pullbacks but the overall trend will not turn around.

One would have to be a fool to be bullish on the US dollar. There are absolutely zero fundamentals that back the US dollar. No money manager or investor in his right mind would be making pro-dollar moves, they would be making defensive investments against the dollar collapse.



Edit: I've been extremely bullish on agriculture since 2007. I've been extremely bullish on commodities since 2007 and I have a lot of my investments in gold, silver, platinum and palladium.

that was an excellent and informed post poon +rep 2 u.

 

[budsmoker87]

i'd also like to point out that during the era of "victory gardens", many more americans lived on farmland and thus there was more production across the board...i'm sure that could've helped to stabilize the prices of commodities like food...today I think it's like 3% of the population is involved in farming and food processing. the processing of food has turned food into a much more lucrative business, but at a cost to the health of the consumer obviously. In return, as the rest of the economy has expanded technologically, the convenience offered by a lower-quality processed food still commands top margins for profit as it preserves longer (whether through drying foods, preserving with salt, or other artificial preservatives).


technology is a double-edged sword and cannot account for the quality and integrity (or lack thereof) of consumer products. I've always found the quality to reside in craftsmanship


if america reverted back to a more basic model and more people had livestock/gardens, I think the food system could be solved and we'd live much less-stressed lives while consuming fewer resources (fossil fuels, electricity expenses for freezers/refrigerators) ...

...AND (this is big)...the model for the family farm cuts out the middle man (food retailer- grocery stores). this lowers prices as you're buying direct and there's more transparency in food sources- checks and balances are maintained by consumers to ensure quality, and the money pools back into the community (as best it can with our monetary system and the FED's constant manipulation anyway)


Ever since the capitalist model was adopted where urban areas have become the homestead of commerce-trading, the production as WELL AS the trading of goods has been centralized and consolidated


it takes baby-steps to do these things for yourself- grow some veggies you love, save money while ur at it, enjoy the sunny outdoors, build that chicken coup, use that chicken waste for your tomatoes, cukes, squash, peppers, and bud...the organic cycle produces the best results in every way

 

[Viagro]

i'd also like to point out that during the era of "victory gardens", many more americans lived on farmland and thus there was more production across the board...i'm sure that could've helped to stabilize the prices of commodities like food...today I think it's like 3% of the population is involved in farming and food processing. the processing of food has turned food into a much more lucrative business, but at a cost to the health of the consumer obviously. In return, as the rest of the economy has expanded technologically, the convenience offered by a lower-quality processed food still commands top margins for profit as it preserves longer (whether through drying foods, preserving with salt, or other artificial preservatives).

I'd argue that victory gardens were every bit as much an urban phenomenon. Almost everyone able grew something in their yard.

Also, it's not just processed foods that plaques the commercial sphere, it's mono-culture and growing in depleted soil recharged with chemicals. The food produced is nearly worthless. And sometimes worse than worthless.

 

[Balzac89]

That was a good example of how people manage in times of hunger. If you think that's funny, so be it. But you won't think it's funny if you ever live through a shortage.

I'm beginning to think you're a complete idiot.

I'm sorry you are so serious.

 

[Viagro]

I'm sorry you are so serious.

Hunger is serious.

 

[Balzac89]

Then grow food instead of pot and give it away for free.

 

[NoDrama]

Then grow food instead of pot and give it away for free.

this bill would make it illegal to give away the food you grew, get it yet?

 

[Viagro]

Then grow food instead of pot and give it away for free.

Yep, you're an idiot.

 

[UncleBuck]

we're all going to starve! and DIE!