Blue Dream 800W Induction Lights SOG

solcielo

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pic 7/9 shows the culprit of my curling leaves... the fan is blowing directly on it and this area got bone dry for a week or so (my lips are still chapped). All that super dry air sucked the moisture right out of the leaves and was making them look like crap. I pulled out everything and did some bottom growth trimming and added 2' metal looped plant stakes into each pot and also tried to trim off the ugly and mostly dried out leaves. ~day25 12/12

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solcielo

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oh see that metallic tube going vertically in the back right corner in pic 5/6? I had a carbon filter with a fan blowing straight up in that corner and it was beating the hell out of a couple plants so I added some sturdy duct and an adapter up top that blows the air over the drivers of my lights. Really liking the change. ~day29 12/12

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solcielo

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Are you sill aiming for 1g/watts?
I never was. With approximately 1m^2 of grow space and 800W jammed into it I think that's an unreasonable expectation. Most strains indoor will never produce over 400-500g/m^2 even in the most perfect of conditions. I'm aiming for 400g but expect 300g of medical grade nug.
 

solcielo

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Solcielo good to hear all is going well. Throw some pics up dude. Been waiting a week for you to post! One of my most visited threads at the moment. How is ecerything going compared to your HID set up at this point and other points during the grow? All positive and negatives appreciated.
Hey man thanks for following. I'd say everything is going a lot smoother than with the HID, much less ups and downs but my only experience with HID lighting was my last grow in the same tent and that was also my first indoor grow. I don't wake up worrying that the breaker flipped and my AC hasn't run half the day and the room is 90+ anymore because I don't even have to run an AC in there now. Even with the bottom growth trimming I still have some loose light-colored growth on the bottom of the plants that I left behind. While I had tons of popcorn (no trimming in my first grow) from the HPS-1000W before it seems the light reached a little bit further. Across the top and down the first 12-14 inches or so I can't tell a difference except to say the induction lamps seem to be producing more resin glands... the little girls are COVERED in trich's; pictures just aren't doing it justice. For vegetative growth and short-height sea of green flowering I don't think there is a more ideal light.
 

xyzxyz

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Hey man thanks for following. I'd say everything is going a lot smoother than with the HID, much less ups and downs but my only experience with HID lighting was my last grow in the same tent and that was also my first indoor grow. I don't wake up worrying that the breaker flipped and my AC hasn't run half the day and the room is 90+ anymore because I don't even have to run an AC in there now. Even with the bottom growth trimming I still have some loose light-colored growth on the bottom of the plants that I left behind. While I had tons of popcorn (no trimming in my first grow) from the HPS-1000W before it seems the light reached a little bit further. Across the top and down the first 12-14 inches or so I can't tell a difference except to say the induction lamps seem to be producing more resin glands... the little girls are COVERED in trich's; pictures just aren't doing it justice. For vegetative growth and short-height sea of green flowering I don't think there is a more ideal light.
No need to thank me for following, I thank you for LEADING :)

Those pictures were more than plentyful for an update!!! Just curious (and if you dont mind) any chance of updating what week flowering the pictures were taken in the posts? I think you are doing an amazing job and I hope that Inda Grow are following this thread. Ill be mentioning this thread and your user ID when making a purchase and hopefully you will get some recognition from them as said earlier your doing a great job not only in growing but by taking on the mamouth job of being one of the first to document a grow using this tech.
 

bibbles

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No need to thank me for following, I thank you for LEADING :)

Those pictures were more than plentyful for an update!!! Just curious (and if you dont mind) any chance of updating what week flowering the pictures were taken in the posts? I think you are doing an amazing job and I hope that Inda Grow are following this thread. Ill be mentioning this thread and your user ID when making a purchase and hopefully you will get some recognition from them as said earlier your doing a great job not only in growing but by taking on the mamouth job of being one of the first to document a grow using this tech.
I'm probably going to do the same, vie been looking for the right lighting for my next set up and this seems to be it, I must as though, one of the first? This is the ONLY grow journal I've been able to find with induction lights... A couple pictures and claims here and there, but no actual evidence... Links? :X

Also, I have to ask, what was the yield with HPS on your last grow(don't remember seeing it in the thread)? I'm also planning a SOG (tighter placement though), but I'd like a sealed room, and these sound better than a HPS set up, and about the same cost given all the extra stuff I'd need to stay sealed with HPS... Also, more even coverage.
 

Bonzi Lighthouse

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I'm liking these as well. My only concern is their lack of acceptance in the general growing community, but I guess the same could be said for CMH.
 

xyzxyz

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one of the first? This is the ONLY grow journal I've been able to find with induction lights... A couple pictures and claims here and there, but no actual evidence... Links? :X
Hey Bibbles. Not to take anything away from this grow but its definately not the first. Here is a grow that was conducted in 2006! Good luck understanding it lol, but definate evidence.

http://www.wietforum.nl/index.php?showtopic=18247&hl=inductie

If you do purchase, definately drop Solcielo's name and link to this thread. Inda Grow need to know what a great service solcielo is doing for them and the community in general.

I'm liking these as well. My only concern is their lack of acceptance in the general growing community, but I guess the same could be said for CMH.
Dont be concerned with acceptance. Do what you like. LED wasnt and still isnt accepted by majority, but they are getting better and better year after year due to those that believe in the product and are making purchases. Otherwise it would die. Same goes with this, induction and in the near future, Plasma. Alternatives are the spice of life. The only people who are having a hard time accepting new tech like LED, Induction, and Plasma are the die hard HPS folk and with good reason, HPS is king and has been trialed and tested ove many many moons. Other sources will get there, they just need our support to become a reality.

As for the CMH, they now have a cult following. And why wouldnt they, they have a better spectrum and deffinately have their place in the game. There is no real valid argument against their suitability.
 

dunit

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I'm liking these as well. My only concern is their lack of acceptance in the general growing community, but I guess the same could be said for CMH.
I was kind of in the same boat on this one. If they're so great why is hardly anyone producing or using them? In the end I think it all comes down to marketing. I think that HID is going the way of the dinosaur (but much slower) and when a company looks at whether they should produce the next big thing their choices are LED or Plasma. I think that Plasma may actually be the better of the two but it's not as profitable. With LED it's way easier to manipulate the marketing with different wattages/diodes/spectrum/lens angle/heat management and try to claim an edge. With Plasma they pretty much just work so how do you claim a competitive advantage. So the marketing machine chose LED and here we are.

Just my $.02
 

xyzxyz

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I was kind of in the same boat on this one. If they're so great why is hardly anyone producing or using them? In the end I think it all comes down to marketing. I think that HID is going the way of the dinosaur (but much slower) and when a company looks at whether they should produce the next big thing their choices are LED or Plasma. I think that Plasma may actually be the better of the two but it's not as profitable. With LED it's way easier to manipulate the marketing with different wattages/diodes/spectrum/lens angle/heat management and try to claim an edge. With Plasma they pretty much just work so how do you claim a competitive advantage. So the marketing machine chose LED and here we are.

Just my $.02
When you say "If they are so great, why is hardly anyone producing them". In the begining the opposite question could be asked about LED. If they were so bad, why was everybody producing them. Obvious answer, for a quick buck! In my personal opinion, LED's will have their place in the community when they dial in the proper wavelenghts. As far as I am aware, no specific research has been conducted as to what specific frequencies must be used for optimal growth. Every plant would be different to some degree, and then again for each strain, so until that has been assessed, LED's will suffer or at least until a broad spectrum unit is established and works well. Plasma on the other hand I believe in the not to distant future will cover most bases in relation to spectrum.

I dont know why hardly anybody is producing or using induction. I was completely unaware of this tech months ago until I stumbled accross it. One possibility is that due to the life time of the product, it had been scrapped by large retailers due to a one off purchase being sufficient?

Further, until now, I believe that high wattage units simply did not exist along with the ability to taylor the lights colour spectrum. All I know is that these Blue Dream are looking very good at this point and the lights have shown to work extremely well during vegitation just like T5's. So at minimum, having yet another option to veg plants with with a longer lasting life is just better for the community as a whole.

Plasma initially will take the same route as LED, all about spectrum frequency / colour / par. As yet, there is NO company producing Plasma specifically for growing that I know of. The light sources are being adapted for growing but not produced at the source for growing. That meaning that the spectrum at the moment is less than sufficient for flowering due to the massive lacking in red. If you look at Luxims LEP (Gavita and Stray Light) the light is exceptional, very broad spectrum (although lacking in red and intensity) This will change if the source is backed by the growing community as there are rumoured higher wattage units in development in the 600w range by Luxim for this year with a possible red puck early next. Definately interesting times ahead.
 

dunit

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In the begining the opposite question could be asked about LED. If they were so bad, why was everybody producing them. Obvious answer, for a quick buck!
Ain't that the truth. My first LED experience cost a fortune and the only thing is was any good at producing was huge fan leaves. They have come a long way and like you said, as soon as induction addresses the proportionally lower outputs in critical ranges then I really think they will blow us away.
 

solcielo

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Also, I have to ask, what was the yield with HPS on your last grow(don't remember seeing it in the thread)? I'm also planning a SOG (tighter placement though), but I'd like a sealed room, and these sound better than a HPS set up, and about the same cost given all the extra stuff I'd need to stay sealed with HPS... Also, more even coverage.
Yielded 280g total in my last grow with what turned out to be an amalgam of different strains (mostly hash plant). In my opinion 3-4 plants per square foot (PPSF) should be your max with any lights unless you are growing some tiny little plants. I'm thinking my 25 in 9 square feet (almost 3 PPSF) is still too tight as surrounding sun leaves really crowd light getting to the undergrowth.
 
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