GDI! 3rd time not a charm! Failure cloning

[Beansly]

Ok so this is my second serious indoor grow, and this time around I thought I'd learn to clone.
The first time I tried it, my humidity dome was too short and my plants couldn't handle the stress of being smashed down by it and died.
The second time, I tried to do a better job of keeping my plants from rotating in the holes they're put in. So I took some grocery wire and lightly (I thought), tied it around the top 1/4 inch of the rapid rooter. I guess I cut off the stem from the water and they died 12-16 hrs later.
The third time was a little better. I bought the proper gear. Took better cuttings. Added a heat mat. This morning, the rooters were dry and the plant were wilted and dead.

WTF...Ok. Round four. I'm using clonex. Anybody have complaints about clonex? The thing that sucks about the drying out on the third go was that I misted them before I went to sleep and I only slept for 8 hours. I was a little afraid to water the rapid rooters themselves because I read that once you plant the clones you dont want the medium to get soggy. I'm sure I'm doing things about 95% correctly. Does anyone have any other tips I could use?

 

[farm dawg]

Cloning is one of my specialties. I included a complete step by step guide in my website. It would be easier to refer you to that then to have to rewrite everything in this post. Colnex is great for cloning cannabis. Cloning is something thats hard to get down. with proper guidane and practice you will get it down. It took me several tries and lots of research before I got it down. Now I can crank out clones like it's nothing. Check my website. It's in the signature.

 

[Little Tommy]

The heat mat is going to cause you to use up more water than the other times you tried. When I started cloning there was so much death. Practice and the right tools make all the difference - good luck!

 

[elfroggo]

It took me a while to figure it out, several different rooting hormones and mediums were tried. I finally got it down, for myself, using an alcohol based rooting hormone my hydro shop makes. I put them in washed sand, I keep it wet, and cover them with some see through party cups I found at the dollar store(couple small holes in the top). I guess I could get a dome but the cups are working so well I'm not changing it lol. They sit in a mylar lined cardboard box with one 23w 6500k cfl about 10 inches above them, the box sits on top of an electric blanket because of it's adjustable temp. Slightly ghetto but it works.

 

[Beansly]

Cloning is one of my specialties. I included a complete step by step guide in my website. It would be easier to refer you to that then to have to rewrite everything in this post. Colnex is great for cloning cannabis. Cloning is something thats hard to get down. with proper guidance and practice you will get it down. It took me several tries and lots of research before I got it down. Now I can crank out clones like it's nothing. Check my website. It's in the signature.

I am so there man. I would do anything at this point (no offense). I'd really like to keep one of each strain I'm growing now so in case
one of those strain is exceptional, I'll have a clone I can mother or clone indefinitely.

The heat mat is going to cause you to use up more water than the other times you tried. !

Fuck heat mats!

I added the heat mat because my clones are at ground level and it still gets cold here. But I'm thinking of getting rid of it.

What about watering the medium once the clones are dipped and planted?

 

[elfroggo]

keep the medium moist but not soaked. You want the roots to seek the water. I always give water at the bottom for my clones, never the top.

 

[bulla]

i water my clones pretty much every day i keep them real wet u can sqeeze the water outta my medium normaly rockwool or jiffy pellets ..i know some people tell me i keep them way to wet when they see them but i am at about 98% on every time. i use a big dome and after 3-4 days open vents after 6 days i take the top right off. i use something called wilt not i think and spray them in morning and nite.temp is 75-81 degrees ....if they start to flop use a tooth pic and lean the plant on it. it took me a few trys but i have always been pretty lucky with clones and i love doing them...practice ,practice and more practice your get it. i do about 75 clones a month im always trying new ways or root tones ...GOODLUCK

 

[Serapis]

Beansly, I feel you.... I could not keep my closet humid enough. My heat mat would get too hot, bacteria, damp off..... I finally went with EZ Clone.... my first batch is in for 24 hours now... I'll let ya know. this seed by seed thing is killing my wallet. If this thing works, I'll get 15 "free" Pineapple Express plants.

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[RIXUK]

Fuck heat mats!

Im with him,fuck heat mats lol.
My place was cold over winter and a normal propogator was fine.
Leave in a bit of water when you go sleep,use humididty dome for like 1-2 week,they get to big take it off.
you using rockwool?
are you pulling them out to see if they have rooted?
Just take 10 clones or 5 what ever,cut 45 degree,scrape/score one side,straight in to clonex asap and half way in to rockwool.
Leave in 3-4mm water till roots show,just leave them but check on water.
They will look dead but there not cuz there concentrating on roots,still mist but dont worry about light.
trial andf error my friend but mainly loving the to death.
There not dead till they fall over and shrivle dry.

 

[Serapis]

I'd love to see pics of these dead looking alive clones. I've seen plenty of pics and Youtube videos of great looking clones with roots just before planting... According to the owner of the EZ Clone co, you can skip the 45 degree cut too, it's a myth... he has cloned thousands of cuttings...

Im with him,fuck heat mats lol.
My place was cold over winter and a normal propogator was fine.
Leave in a bit of water when you go sleep,use humididty dome for like 1-2 week,they get to big take it off.
you using rockwool?
are you pulling them out to see if they have rooted?
Just take 10 clones or 5 what ever,cut 45 degree,scrape/score one side,straight in to clonex asap and half way in to rockwool.
Leave in 3-4mm water till roots show,just leave them but check on water.
They will look dead but there not cuz there concentrating on roots,still mist but dont worry about light.
trial andf error my friend but mainly loving the to death.
There not dead till they fall over and shrivle dry.

 

[newworldicon]

I am so there man. I would do anything at this point (no offense). I'd really like to keep one of each strain I'm growing now so in case
one of those strain is exceptional, I'll have a clone I can mother or clone indefinitely.





I added the heat mat because my clones are at ground level and it still gets cold here. But I'm thinking of getting rid of it.

What about watering the medium once the clones are dipped and planted?

Beansly please keep the heat matt, it will help you more than not having it, all you need to do is put a thin layer of polystyrene or cloth to buffer the amount of heat coming off the matt. Also try to watch them every 6 hours or so to keep the media moist. Once you have got that buffer in place you will see much better results. A spray bottle is a wonderful tool in the cloners arsenal mate.

Oh finally try to keep the temps around 78-80 and you will be fine!

 

[Beansly]

Beansly, I feel you.... I could not keep my closet humid enough. My heat mat would get too hot, bacteria, damp off..... I finally went with EZ Clone.... my first batch is in for 24 hours now... I'll let ya know. this seed by seed thing is killing my wallet. If this thing works, I'll get 15 "free" Pineapple Express plants.

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Shit it sucks...
You got a nice cloner there tho. If you use an ez cloner (aeroponic cloner), or a bubble cloner (DWC cloner) do you still dip in clonex? Do you still use a humidity dome or do you mist it constantly? I was gonna make a bubble cloner with this extra air pump I have but the clones are eventually gonna go into soil so I don't think I can transplant a bare roots clone into soil with good results could I?

Im with him,fuck heat mats lol.
My place was cold over winter and a normal propagator was fine.
Leave in a bit of water when you go sleep,use humidity dome for like 1-2 week,they get to big take it off.
you using rockwool?
are you pulling them out to see if they have rooted?
Just take 10 clones or 5 what ever,cut 45 degree,scrape/score one side,straight in to clonex asap and half way in to rockwool.
Leave in 3-4mm water till roots show,just leave them but check on water.
They will look dead but there not cuz there concentrating on roots,still mist but dont worry about light.
trial andf error my friend but mainly loving the to death.
There not dead till they fall over and shrivle dry.

I think I'm gonna keep the heat mat, I'm just gonna prepare better when I sleep or plan on leaving the house or something. I think that's a good idea to leave a few mm of water in the bottom, but only when I sleep or leave for a long time. I've never heard of leaving a small pool of water at the bottom of the cloning dome for the medium to soak in. Does anyone else do this? I am not using rockwool, I'm using rapid rooters, but I was think of trying rockwool for the fourth try because it's a bit stiffer material, but idk. I don't pull them out to see if they're rooting. Somehow that seems like a bad idea. No offense again. I was wondering also if there was a period in the cloning time where they will wilt and lean over? From the research I did this is normal? Trial and error is my only choice atm my friend.

Beansly please keep the heat matt, it will help you more than not having it, all you need to do is put a thin layer of polystyrene or cloth to buffer the amount of heat coming off the matt. Also try to watch them every 6 hours or so to keep the media moist. Once you have got that buffer in place you will see much better results. A spray bottle is a wonderful tool in the cloners arsenal mate.

Oh finally try to keep the temps around 78-80 and you will be fine!

Yeah man like I said, 95%. I got a bottle. I mist every few hours. I have a nice sized buffer between the heat mat and the plastic tray. The heat mat is set to low and is even lower because of the rag in between. I cut the leaves so they don't transpire. I clean all the tools with alcohol. I flush the plant for 2 days before I take clones from it. Temperatures are 70 to 80 degrees, but I cant get the humidity past 31%. I'm using two 2ft T12 fluorescents made for plants @ a total of 40 watts...
I just keep messing up somewhere!

 

[Serapis]

When the cuttings are rooted, they can be transfered to any medium you like. Yes, you still use a hormone gel, and a dome isn't necessary once your cuttings get past the first 2 hours. Just mist em up real good once or twice an hour for first hour or two.. they perk right back up with no dome.

try a cool mist humidifier.... I just saw your humidity is at 30 or lower.... Search for a humidifier with hygrostat... Just don't buy it from Drugstore dot com mine has been in processing for 11 days now with no ship date yet...

 

[farm dawg]

I use heat mats and humidity domes and I get great results. And my clones root fast. Don't let the rockwool cubes dry out. I use clonex to root the clones. I water the rockwool cubes with water and superthrive. if you click on these images you can see the pictures better.

 

[*BUDS]

Make sure you take large cuttings 8-12".Have your scissors or razor sterilized in boiling water prior to starting and wash your hands. Use rooting powder,not gel.After you take the angle cut dipped in water dusted the stem in powder,placed into medium, put the clones into 6 hours darkness, then put them under 24/0. Keep the temp of jiffy/rw/perlite at 26 deg c, humidity at about 70%. When watering medium dont saturate it ,just keep it damp but dont let it dry out. I do it this way (and dont need any domes,covers ,misting etc) with great success.

 

[bulla]

why do u take clones so big? my mother plant is only about a foot tall...and 6 hours of dark why? why not gel?

 

[Serapis]

It's post like this that make me go

12" clones? uh.... ok, I'll bet you were blessed with 12" uncut as well, right? Do you know what 12" looks like? Boiling water? How about isoropyl alcohol? pwder, not gel? Gel actually adheres much better than powder. Six hours of darkness? Please explain that process. And you are keeping your grow area at 70% RH and using no dome? How are you maintaining humidity? You use no dome, no misting... I'd love to see pics of your successes, maybe you are on to something....

Make sure you take large cuttings 8-12".Have your scissors or razor sterilized in boiling water prior to starting and wash your hands. Use rooting powder,not gel.After you take the angle cut dipped in water dusted the stem in powder,placed into medium, put the clones into 6 hours darkness, then put them under 24/0. Keep the temp of jiffy/rw/perlite at 26 deg c, humidity at about 70%. When watering medium dont saturate it ,just keep it damp but dont let it dry out. I do it this way (and dont need any domes,covers ,misting etc) with great success.

 

[*BUDS]

It's post like this that make me go

12" clones? uh.... ok, I'll bet you were blessed with 12" uncut as well, right? Do you know what 12" looks like? Boiling water? How about isoropyl alcohol? pwder, not gel? Gel actually adheres much better than powder. Six hours of darkness? Please explain that process. And you are keeping your grow area at 70% RH and using no dome? How are you maintaining humidity? You use no dome, no misting... I'd love to see pics of your successes, maybe you are on to something....

Oh ok your a fool so let me explain .

1- i said 8-12 so the av is around 10". Cuttings this size are more reliable and will give you a larger stronger plant, simple as that. Grow bigger mums if its only a foot tall.
2- pure alcohol hard to get around here so the old boiling water does fine.
3- the humidity usually over 60% here so no probs there. Also why cant you control your clone area/box temps/rh??
4- you are wrong about gels/powder, the powder forms a paste witch adheres to stem longer than the gel which is easily washed off with waterings.Also more chance of disease with gel.
5-no need for domes(they are too wet, and rarely work) or spraying as the cutting gets enough water thru stem cut.By the way ,why are u spraying like a fool for 2 hours then not again after that? ,crazy stuff.
6-the 6 hours darkness prevents wilting which usually occurs after . Instead of wilting in this period they suck water thru stem.
7-use heat mat and or exhaust fan for temp control.
Ok to explain the process of 6 hours darkness. ummmm turn the lights off for 6 hours, just a wild guess on how to get 6 hours of darkness.
I make a living from growing and have done for years , oh and maybe im on to something. Go away you amateur.

 

[bulla]

i dont need bigger moms im fine i do over 75 clones a month with my moms cause im always trying something crazy with clones ...and im gonna try your system just because like i said i do all kinds of crazy shit with clones. As for amateur im not sure who that was to but i been growing for 22 years inside and out id be willing to bet one of my outside crops most people dont do in 5 years inside and out ....im just here to get new ideas thats the only reason why i asked my questions HAPPY GROWING !!!!!

 

[DrFever]

ok i will try to help you with your problem first off keep it simple forget heatmat lose it give it to gramma for her ankle
forget cfls thats micky mouse as well you need T'5s florescents for starters
secondly you need seedling soil starter, clonex Ph tester, pencil, 1" trays or anytype of trays razors as well as hydrogenperoxide, and plastic cutting board

step 1 feed your plant 2- 4 hrs prior to taking cuttings

step 2 mix 10 litres of luke warm water and add half of the lid of hydrogenperoxide in it once done stir up well and drop ph to 5.6 - 5.8 max

step 3 put seedling starter soil in a bucket and mix adding water till you can grab soil and make a fist and you see water pouring out of it ( really moist )

step 4 once thats done put them in your trays pack down lightly not to packed, then take a pencil and make approx 1 inch depth holes in middle of each tray

step 5 wash your cutting board as well pour some of that water still left from soil mixture on it pour some in a cup thats where your goin to keep your razors

step 6 pour some clonex on your cutting board and wipe it around 4 " square area your cutting area you dont need lots just enough to make a film on your board

cutting time pick on the bottom of your plant not on main stem area once you get your cutting place it on cutting board carefully place all leafs over lapping into one area now take your razor and cut leafs in half one cut does all leafs if you know what i mean now i like to do my 45 degree cut in a node area right in the middle of it do your cut then place it in clonex leave it there for a min

know people will tell you slice up the middle stem 1/4 " or scrape the side one word LOSE THOSE WAYS THATS AGAIN micky mouse
what you want to do is take out your stem from gel and lay it on cutting board very carefully make around 4 - 5 cuts angle in cut and bend forward makin it look like a FISH HOOK you get my drift sliver hope you under stand

Now place it in the hole carefully pinchin soil to make it tight around stem and no air once you done it all lightly spray and dome then dont touch it for 4 days after 4 days open dome for like 5 mins give very light mist again and reclose it around tenth day you can remove dome and start adding like 5 ml of water 5.6 - 5.8 ph to soil only 15th day water tray only forcing roots to go to it