Dr Greenthumbs G13

[Brick Top]

So you got Acapulco Gold from Greenthumb like 20 years ago that in your opinion wasn't Acapulco Gold and you're still wittering on about it.

Do you always need to rely on making things up just so you can attempt to discredit facts or the person presenting them? I have never so much as one single time said that I purchased and grew Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold; "like 20 years ago," as you so inaccurately claimed. It was roughly 2004 or 2005, that means it was like only 6 or 7 years ago, NOT; "like 20 years ago."

And yes I am writing about it to give a valid factual example of how Dr. Greenthumb has a history of selling fakes of famous name strains, of attempting to sucker people in by offering a fake that has a very famous name that he knows will draw customers and fatten his bank account, just as he is almost certainly doing again with what he is claiming to be G13.

I don't know about the Acapulco Gold but I do know about the Golden Haze, that Greenthumb made from the Acapulco Gold and it was unbelieveable smoke and you're still a twat.

OK, so, to you, in your opinion Dr. Greenthumb's Golden Haze was; "unbelievable" smoke. Fine. But what in the wide, wide world of sports does that have to do with his having sold fake Acapulco Gold in the past or what he is now selling and claiming to be G13?

Answer: Absolutely nothing!

Be sure to get back to me when you have something to say that is topical, valid and is not something that you made up, like the; "like 20 years ago" thing was.



Check this out about Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold:

I got 14 beans in the pack from Dr. Greenthumb. I germinated all of them, and all of them came up. Out of the 14, I only got 2 males, and the other dozen were females. For the most part, they were pretty stable, some phenos varied in smell and apperance, but most were similar in every way. The Acapulco Gold is a very easy plant to grow, no special attention needed, and she took any nutrients that I gave her without any problems. For a sativa, shes also a very fast flowering plant. I flowered them kind of small, expecting alot of stretch, but they did not stretch nearly as much as I planned on. Now overall in flowering, the AG is great all around. Now the best part about this plant is the yeilds that it gives. I got monster yeilds from the AG, more than most all of my other strains. Now the reason I got these AG seeds, is because I wanted to find a keeper AG mom, one that is a knockout like the AG from back in the 70's. Well that was not the case here. The Acapulco Gold from Dr. Greenthumb was some of the weakest bud I've smoked. The potency is very poor. You have to smoke alot of this stuff to catch a good buzz. The taste is alright, smooth but nothing special. The smell is also nothing special when dried, just a fresh piney smell. In flower she smells really good, like lemon lime mixed with a hint of Haze. So overall, the AG is not a keeper in my opinion. I was very dissapointed with the potency of this one. I suppose if you started about a couple hundred of these seeds to find that special potent pheno, you may have found a keeper mom, but other than that, I wouldn't waste the money on these if your looking for something that is like the original AG from 30 years back. If it wasn't for the amazing yeilds she gave me, I would have been exteremely unsatisfied.

http://weedbay.net/index.php/strain-guide/231

I would compare what I got from Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold to a very low grade Colombian. The person who wrote the smoke report above said the potency was; "very poor." Dr. Greenthumb advertised the level of potency as being 5 out of 5. He lied just like when he lied and said it was the real true honest to goodness Acapulco Gold of the past.

Acapulco Gold -

Pure sativa

Potency: 5 out of 5

Clean and vibrant high

Perfect for breeders

Worldwide prime
http://www.drgreenthumb.com/PhotoHTMLs/GreenthumbSeedsAcapulcoGold.htm

At some point he downgraded his 5 out of 5 potency claim to 4 out of 5 ... but it was more like 1.75 or 2 out of 5 at best.

Acapulco Gold-Heritage Strain
Product Code- AGH

- Generally speaking, pure Sativas are not
recommended for indoor growing.
- While the quality of smoke is excellent,
pure Sativas are difficult to manage since
they spread and stretch all over the place
with low yields.
- If you have the climate, pure Sativas are
an excellent choice and can produce large
yields up to and over two pounds per
plant outdoors.
- Finish dates are dependent on start
dates.​

Soaring, cerebral, up high
Potency: 4 out of 5

Indoor Growth
Outdoor Growth
Cutting height

Plant Height
6'- 10'
Yield (/m²)

Yield
up to 2000 g
Flowering
Approximately
100 Days
Finish
October- November
Frost Resistance-
Spring
Good
Frost Resistance-
Fall
Good
http://www.drgreenthumb.com/GreenthumbSeedsHeritage.htm

People cannot believe what Dr. Greenthumb claims any more than they can believe you considering what you made up about my allegedly purchasing and growing Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold; "like 20 years ago" when it was in fact more like 6 or 7 years ago.

 

[fletchman]

Okay fine, you made your point about AG, we get it

But the jury is still out on his G13, and he has great reviews on some of his other strains.

Im growing his Endless Sky and G13 right now and am pleased at what I see so far, I'll know alot more in about 3 months.

 

[Brick Top]

Okay fine, you made your point about AG, we get it

But the jury is still out on his G13, and he has great reviews on some of his other strains.

1: The reviews on his other strains are meaningless in this exchange. They in no way whatsoever are evidence that what he is selling as the real true G13 is the real true G13. What he is selling and calling G13 might be a great strain, it might get top reviews, but even that would not in any way be proof that it is the real true G13 as he is claiming it too be.

2: Do you fail to see the more than obvious similarities involved here. He offers what he claims are Acapulco Gold seeds decades after the last real true Acapulco Gold was seen. Most who would purchase it would never know the difference between it and what is was supposed to be. They would not notice the total difference from seed to toking it and everything in between. Only a handful of old-timers might be able to do that. No one else could, so he could claim whatever he liked with little risk of being caught being untruthful.

Now he offers what he calls G13, long after the plants that professional breeders who had it had lost vigor and died and long after any who smoked it would likely be purchasing it now to notice the difference between the real thing and what he is selling. I posted the original description of the real true G13 and it is as different as night and day from Dr. Greenthumb's description and from what those few who are growing it and telling about it are saying about it and how they describe it.

Do you fail to see a parallel? If you see it do you now understand why I went on about the fake Acapulco Gold? Dr. Greenthumb will pick a famous strain name from the past, one from far enough in the past that most current growers would not know it was not the real thing if they grew it because they never grew, or smoked, the real thing in the past, and then he offers 'a strain,' 'some strain,' using the famous name.

It is almost the perfect scam, at least if the strain he is claiming to be G13 turns out to be a good strain unlike the Acapulco Gold that turned out to be a low grade strain. There is no documentation that can be used to prove it is not real. Regardless of people like Shantibaba and Nevil saying it's not, Dr. Greenthumb can still claim it is. There are not enough people out there who had, grew and smoked the real G13 to be able to say enough to convince people who want and need to believe that they bought, grew, or are growing, and are or will be smoking one of the most famous stains of all time. So he can make all the claims he wants without fear of being proven wrong, even though he had had to alter his story a few times already, and if by chance he created a strain that is impressive people will believe it to be the real G13, even though it does not come close to matching G13's original description in any way, and he will be able to continue to charge an arm and a leg for a good strain, but a strain that is not what it is claimed to be and not what people will actually receive. But he can charge more for the same strain if he claims it is the real true G13 than if he just developed a very good strain and gave it a name of it's own.

As I said, it is almost the perfect scam. Had his fake Acapulco Gold been good, rather than being more like Ghetto Gold, he likely would have gotten away with it. He had several strains in his Heritage Line, all strains claimed to be famous high potency strains of the past. His Heritage Line did not last long. Likely because the others, just as was the case with Acapulco Gold, were terrible and even those who did not know the real deal would not purchase them again because of their near total lack of quality.

If the strain he created and is claiming to be the real true G13 turns out to be high octane, he will make a killing off of people who will actually believe that they are purchasing the real true G13. The prefect scam. Create something good and give it the name of an extremely famous strain that will be impossible for anyone to prove to not be the real deal, something that likely no longer exists, at least not in the hands of anyone who could or would ever offer it to the public, regardless of what a few claim.

Even though it is fake, as long as it is good and people rave about it, they will perceive it to be real and if perceived to be real that gives him a virtual monopoly. That means that every single person with the hope of experiencing the real G13 will have to purchase from him and him alone. It is the perfect scam. Reality is whatever someone perceives it too be, within reason of course, so if perceived as real, in the minds of buyers and growers and dealers and smokers it will be seen as being real, it will be accepted as being real, and that will allow him to charge more per bean than if he just gave his strain a new name, regardless of how good it might turn out to be. The famous name, if perceived to be the real deal, justifies whatever price he wants to put on it, for two reasons. First, because it is believed to be as advertised, and second, because there is no competition and lacking competition the marketplace does not eventually set the price, Dr. Greenthumb and Dr. Greenthumb alone can set the price.

If he has created a strain that is good enough for people to believe it too be the real G13 he has just struck the largest vein of gold he will ever strike.

 

[WoodyHaze]

From where I am sitting you have things backwards. When Dr. Greenthumb sold me fake Acapulco Gold beans he messed up his business because he ripped off a customer who is now telling the world about it, about what he did.

And now he is offering a strain he claims to be something that people who are, and have been for many years, involved in breeding and had the strain and knew the strain and are saying it cannot be the strain it is claimed to be, and the original description of the strain, something that came out in print before some members of this site were ever born and who never read it and never knew it describe it as being just about the polar opposite of what Dr. Greenthumb describes his strain as being .... so when you add those things together, along with other things like an ever evolving story as to how he got it and from who, and in my mind; "the man" has in the past, and again is, messing up his own business.

If an auto manufacturer has a major recall and it is reported in the news and people talk about it and the manufacturers sales drop did the news and people talking about the manufacturer and the recall problem cause the drop is sales, or was it due to the manufacturer having a design flaw of some sort that caused the recall in the first place that then caused the news and people to talk about it actually cause a drop in sales? Was the actual problem the design flaw/recall or that the news reported it and people talked about it?

When a business, any business, does something or things that causes people to question it and wonder about it and doubt it and to be concerned about doing business with it the fault is that of the business itself, not that of those the business caused to question and wonder about and doubt the business and to be concerned about doing business with the business.

will you please get to the point? didn't you taunt Hobbes relentlessly too? he's right ,you are a twat

 

[Brick Top]

will you please get to the point? didn't you taunt Hobbes relentlessly too? he's right ,you are a twat

I have gotten to the point, repeatedly. The thing is some people simply do not want to accept the obvious so they go on and on telling about their personally chosen or self created beliefs and I then explain things again.

That is not taunting someone. To taunt is what you are doing to me by calling me a; "twat."

Definitions of taunt on the Web:

• tease: harass with persistent criticism or carping; "The children teased the new teacher"; "Don't ride me so hard over my failure"; "His fellow workers razzed him when he wore a jacket and tie"
• twit: aggravation by deriding or mocking or criticizing
  wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Taunting would be like if in my replies to you I said you are nothing more than a damp tuft of lice infested rectal pubic hair, rather than just telling the facts I know and pointing out the more than obvious highly questionable things about Dr. Greenthumb's claims and offering supporting evidence for what I have said, like what I posted that was written by Shantibaba and telling what Nevil has said on the subject, both people who would each know vastly more about this subject than every member of this site added together and multiplied by infinity could ever actually know for sure.

 

[taint]

Your goddess supreme aint ya brick?

 

[WoodyHaze]

uh, no it's the truth,you are a twat, so no taunt..........like i said, you just couldn't leave Hobbes alone . I think you've made your point.

 

[fletchman]

Bricktop, So what about DoubleD's claim about getting his G13 cut from Nevil in 86? Do you believe that?

And how do you explain the difference in descriptions between the one you posted and that of DoubleD's online grows?

Is DoubleD full of shit? He takes that loss of vigor old ass plant and grows 4 lber's with it? And dont tell me it's his growing style and any plant would produce that.

That G13 cut he has is his bread and butter strain, he grows it for a reason.

 

[Brick Top]

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QUOTE=WoodyHaze;5631628]uh, no it's the truth,you are a twat, so no taunt

No, like about other things, you are incorrect, what you said is a taunt.

..........like i said, you just couldn't leave Hobbes alone . I think you've made your point.

I reply to what people ask or say, that is what is done here. As for not being capable of leaving someone alone, you are a prime example of that in that you are incapable of leaving me alone.

Or would you care to prove that statement of mine too be incorrect by leaving me alone?

 

[Brick Top]

Bricktop, So what about DoubleD's claim about getting his G13 cut from Nevil in 86? Do you believe that?

And how do you explain the difference in descriptions between the one you posted and that of DoubleD's online grows?

Is DoubleD full of shit? He takes that loss of vigor old ass plant and grows 4 lber's with it? And dont tell me it's his growing style and any plant would produce that.

That G13 cut he has is his bread and butter strain, he grows it for a reason.

I have never read claims written by DoubleD himself so I would not comment on what may or may not have been said.

I have read what other people have claimed, what that they wrote in their own words, and I also posted the original published description of G13 and in no way, shape or form do the current claims and descriptions come anywhere even half close to the original description of the known to be true original pure G13.

How do you explain the magical mystical transformation of the known to be original real true pure G13 into what some now either describe it as being or claim it is described as being?

Let me see if I fully understand you. Are you still claiming that Dr. Greenthumb got his cut from DoubleD?

Jim Ortega posted this on another site.

Dr greenthumbs g13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello my Brothers,
I am here to back a real bro for not disclosing me as his source in obtaining his G13 strain. It is a great pleasure knowing this person for being true to his word.
Dr. Greenthumb has been taking alot of crap for the nickname D/D that I labled some clones that I sold him. It has caused a shit storm at a couple of forums.
I owe Dr. Greenthumb a huge apology for the stress he is probably going thru.
I am apologizing to Dr. Greenthumb here since I have quite a few friends here that know a little about my history growing mj. As most of you who know me can vouch that I have had the G13 strain since the mid 80's. Nevil can also verify that. And also that I had sold the strain for $25g's to a "canadian breeder" a while back. Btw, the 25g's were distributed to our group who had previously agreed to keep the strain locked down. Had the economy not gone to shit it would have never been sold.
Dr. Greenthumb bought the strain and not just the clone. He decided to make it available to the public in pure form and is basically selling the strain at around 1% of what he paid for it, which is quite a deal.
I would also like to extend my apology to Double D a moderator at another forum for stress he must have for the confusion about my labeling methods.

I also want all my bro's who have sent me pm's that I am answering each and everyone within the next couple of days. The Skunk that you all are after will be available as soon as Nevil decides what he wants to do with the strain as I am leaving it up to him.

Take care my brothers!
Jim

There was this exchange between DoubleD and Dr. Greenthumb.

Emails between doubled and Dr. Greenthumb

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I would like to make clear to all members here that dr greenthumbs g13, which he is advertising as my cut, is a down right filthy lie. I have never sold, traded, or bartered my cut to ANYONE EVER. I have thought about selling it in the past but i never did. Dr greenthumb is a scammer, it makes me wonder what else he is lying about also?

Here is a couple of emails between him and i

dds

What the fuck guys, why would you put my name on your g13 cut if its actually g13? what the fuck? take my name off that fake ass bullshit. I will give you 2 days and if its not off i will post on every website about your fake ass bullshit !!!!!

dr gt

You are of course completely correct, it is in fact the cut that came from Neville thorough you, not yours per se. I am deeply sorry about this and we'll have it off the website in an hour or so and will delete any other mentions we find. If you know of any that we can readily delete, please let us know and we'll see to it.

dds

I have never given or sold a cut to anyone so how would it be possible you got nevilles cut through me? Man, sell your gear without lying please, there is absolutely no need for it in our community.

dds

its on your damn website for one, take it off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dr gt

I was going to take it off, then I found out you had already gone out and said that it was not yours BEFORE you sent me the email...so no...I'll do nothing about it all. You're nothing but a liar and scumbag. I know you've sold at least 7, so stop lying. Having said that thanks for selling the cut, we're making a ton of money of of it. Now fuck off!

dr gt

You're nothing but a lying, cheating, rip off scumbag and you're being called out on your bullshit all over the place. Time to disappear again. This time for good.

dds

lol, you brought it out when i dissapeared, that tells everybody everything. why am i a lying, cheating, ripoff scumbag ....... time for a very big virus for your website...... you asked for it mate


thanks in advance

dds

Consider this:

Originally Posted by dogless
Hello my Brothers,
I am here to back a real bro for not disclosing me as his source in obtaining his G13 strain.
Because Greenthumb had already adamantly stated that he had purchased the cut directly from doubleds, had personally had conversations with Doubleds, and had paid Doubleds $25,000. All of this came directly from Dr. Greenthumb and is not speculation.

It is a great pleasure knowing this person for being true to his word.
Dr. Greenthumb has been taking alot of crap for the nickname D/D that I labled some clones that I sold him. It has caused a shit storm at a couple of forums.
I owe Dr. Greenthumb a huge apology for the stress he is probably going thru.

Just for the simple fact that he tried to explain the fact that Dr. Greenthumb thought it came from DD because he labeled the clones D/D is ridiculous because again there are emails between DD and Greenthumb and posts where Greenthumb explicitly said DD was the source and continued to try and say so even when DD called him out.

And this:

Here's another post by Greedthumb adamantly stating he got the cut directly from DD and a link so you can read the thread for yourself. Dogless's statement only came out after Greedthumb tirelessly tried to reinforce that he obtained the cut directly through DD and got caught in a lie. It might have been a different story if Greedthumb had said he had obtained DD's cut through a third party but he didn't and honestly it still would have been suspect as to whether or not it was "pure" G13.
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:31 PM
Thanks to all of you for standing up and being counted. Coxies post, above, I think says it all. Double D is claiming he never sold or even offered to sell his G13 clone but like Coxie said and I can confirm, our clone came from and was the result of his THC farmer posting


LINK:http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/...double-d-g-13/

And of course Shantibaba said the following:

Originally Posted by shantibaba
Hi All

well read most of the thread and got to mention a few things that bother me.

First Neville offered the G13 originally and it was never copied ...only a decade later when Soma and Reeferman bought some old hybrid seeds from Nevil through third parties did it appear again in other companies. The original G13 mother died and only seed existed from the early 90s onwards. No one including Arjan ever had access to Nevil and my library of mothers and fathers...just what was on the greenhouse list pre 98...but considering no one kept things alive they were forced to use F1 seed to gain back things...but even then there was no access to G13 in any pure form.

So now that Medical seeds are offering G13 as a feminised seed or other companies are offering G13 hybrids...well they are only names with distant relation to the originals. People renamed things and use a common name to piggy back their new seed on to the market. Why would I tell the growers that G13 mother died if I was only interested in making money from other people's dreams of owning something pure? It is not my or Nevilles way so it is not the truth that so many of these G13 strains survived so well through time.

Since I re-released G13 skunk and G13 widow some years back the piggy backers took off again...and the legend was rekindled. Whatever you all believe I find it most difficult to believe there is a pure G13 alive. The best that could be expected would be an old F1 seed or even F2 seed...but most of the time it is a new breeder using an old name to sell his wares.It does not help anyone except that breeder and it would be best for them to rename it with affiliated origins attached to G13 in some way. I am really afraid that all these ways of new companies do not help clarify an urban myth but propagate it to the maximum.Those who believe what is written rather than research perpetuate the myth and so it goes on and on and on...just like this G13 myth. I am sorry to all of those who really educate themselves but the facts are so evident , if it were not for money makers in this industry maybe people who start their own seed companies would name their own seeds with original names and stop confusing the masses.

All the best Sb

And consider the following:

1. Why did Greenthumb come out and say that he got the cut directly from DD, say he personally talked to DD, and had paid DD $25,000?

2. Why was there all of the back and forth between DD and Greenthumb?

3. How can you believe this apology after all that was said between Dr. Greenthumb and DD?

4. Why would Shanti and Nevil believe that the cutting doesn't exist anymore if one of Nevil's close friends has the cut?

5. Why wouldn't Shanti and Neville still have the cut if it really was still around and kept by one of Nevil's freinds?

6. When did G13 turn into a high yielding fruity strain?

And then there is this:

Let's look at this description. It's claiming to be Neville's cut, it says it's the biggest producer available today, and says it's a fruity strain. G13 wasn't a huge yielder and wasn't fruity.




" Now Available " G13
Product Code- G13F- (Feminized) ♀

[ The Original Neville's Cut- First Pure G13 Seed EVER!!!]

Long Lasting
Pleasant, happy buzz
THE BIGGEST AND HEAVIEST
PLANT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE!

Potency: 4½ out of 5
Taste: Lightly Fragrant – Fruity

G13F

Here is some info on the original G13 cutting


In its pure form it was apparently not very pleasant smoke, tasting like lawn clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces (fecal flavors are common in pure afganicas) with a lovelly aftertaste of burning tires.The shear power could not be denied however and that's what made the strain's rep. As I said,G-13 was a breeders plant, (see MJ Botony p70) for a description of a sport but basically it's a plant that shows beneficial mutations which can be passed down tothe next gen. In the case of G-13 it was a scraglly plant with lowish yields, but it had the desirable trait of massive resin production. So much so, that if you let it go to long it could supposedly choke itself. Some sativas can do this, what Shanti calls the "Widow" sport is an example, but it's very rare in an indica. It was during Nevil's 83/84 collection trips to the US that he aquired, from Sandy W the only G-13 cuttings to ever leave Sandy's garden.
If anything the description resembles G13 x NL which would explain the yield and fruitiness.

So after all that do you honestly believe the alleged cut did in fact come from DoubleD and that it is in fact the real true original G13 in it's actual true pure form?

No logical rational person can look at all that has been involved in the Dr. Greenthumb claim and not have extremely serious doubts about his alleged G13 being the real deal. The only people who can believe it is real are people who so very desperately want it to be real that they are like a little kid that is one year too old to believe in Santa Claus but they still want to believe really bad, so they keep telling themselves that he exists, even though deep inside they know he doesn't.

 

[WoodyHaze]

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No, like about other things, you are incorrect, what you said is a taunt.



I reply to what people ask or say, that is what is done here. As for not being capable of leaving someone alone, you are a prime example of that in that you are incapable of leaving me alone.

Or would you care to prove that statement of mine too be incorrect by leaving me alone?

you knew, by your posts, that Hobbes had troubles, yet you wouldn't drop it.you come off as some 'know it all', when in all actuality you are a pest

 

[Brick Top]

you knew, by your posts, that Hobbes had troubles, yet you wouldn't drop it.you come off as some 'know it all', when in all actuality you are a pest

What do you use to know what I think or know or what is in my head? Are you psychic? Do you use a ouija board? Maybe you use tarot cards? But then you could just rely on a Magic 8 Ball to tell you what I think or what I know or what is in my head.

I knew nothing about Hobbes and I had no interest in knowing anything about him, just as I have no interest in knowing anything about you.

What is it about people in this thread? Why do need to make things up about me and make totally false claims about me? OGMan lied and said I purchased the fake Acapulco Gold I purchased from Dr. Greenthumb; "like 20 years ago" even though it was more like only 6 or 7 years ago. Now you lied and said that I knew: that Hobbes had troubles." Well what troubles did he used do have? You used the word had, the past tense, meaning he; "had' troubles which also means he no longer has the troubles. If not you would have worded your lie more like; 'you knew that Hobbes has troubles,' but you didn't, did you? So the troubles I never knew he had are gone, and that has to be good for him.

So are you only trying your best to be a burr under my saddle because of Hobbes? Or is it that you, like most others here, are totally lacking in credible topical ammunition to fire back at me to attempt to refute the facts I have presented about Dr. Greenthumb so just to have the chance to ride me you have gone to plan b ... or is it plan c or plan d by now because all the others have failed so you keep going from plan to plan making a pest of yourself?

Why don't you spend more time playing with yourself and less time attempting to play with me? We would both derive far more pleasure from that than what we are both now experiencing.

As I previously mentioned:

[WoodyHaze;5631628].........like i said, you just couldn't leave Hobbes alone . I think you've made your point.[/QUOTE]

I reply to what people ask or say, that is what is done here. As for not being capable of leaving someone alone, you are a prime example of that in that you are incapable of leaving me alone.

Or would you care to prove that statement of mine too be incorrect by leaving me alone?

Well you proved me to be absolutely correct, rather than take advantage of making me incorrect. You could have left me alone, but instead you were incapable of doing anything other than carrying on your Hobbes obsession and dragging it on further and attempting to gain some high moral ground to justify your trolling me by lying and claiming that I knew that Hobbes allegedly has or had some sort of problem or problems.


I do not know about Hobbes, but you have made it far more than only being abundantly clear that you have some sort of problem or problems.

You really need to end your little 'get revenge for Hobbes vendetta' against me and just move on.

 

[Dr Gruber]

Bricktop,
I must have missed it...can someone show me where Doc said he talked to DD personally? I keep hearing that but i havent seen anything to support that. are we just making stuff up now?



And please after all of your calls to let this debate end why are you now the leader of the charge? Can you say hypocrisy? Or do i need to copy and paste all your posts calling for an end?
This is kind of reminding me of Bush and the Iraq war...first it was because of WMD, then its trying to help the poor people of Iraq and then the truth comes out and its really about oil and money.
So, which is it now? Some of you have claimed you are just trying to warn the good people of a scam....42 pages later you are still trying? Does theat make any sense to anyone?
Has the point youve been trying to make been made yet? If not how many more pages do you need? Im sure someone can give you some english lessons so you can get your point out in less then 10 pages.
What is more obvious then anything is that nobody is being swayed either way so its a moot point...let it go Bricktop.
What is also obvious or at least becomeing more and more aparent is that some of you must work for Doc's compitition and feel a strong need to discredit him, over and over again. He must be doing something right.
If you didnt then i dont see why you would go on and on about it....which seed co do you work for and how much do they pay?

 

[doc111]

Bricktop,
I must have missed it...can someone show me where Doc said he talked to DD personally? I keep hearing that but i havent seen anything to support that. are we just making stuff up now?



And please after all of your calls to let this debate end why are you now the leader of the charge? Can you say hypocrisy? Or do i need to copy and paste all your posts calling for an end?
This is kind of reminding me of Bush and the Iraq war...first it was because of WMD, then its trying to help the poor people of Iraq and then the truth comes out and its really about oil and money.
So, which is it now? Some of you have claimed you are just trying to warn the good people of a scam....42 pages later you are still trying? Does theat make any sense to anyone?
Has the point youve been trying to make been made yet? If not how many more pages do you need? Im sure someone can give you some english lessons so you can get your point out in less then 10 pages.
What is more obvious then anything is that nobody is being swayed either way so its a moot point...let it go Bricktop.
What is also obvious or at least becomeing more and more aparent is that some of you must work for Doc's compitition and feel a strong need to discredit him, over and over again. He must be doing something right.
If you didnt then i dont see why you would go on and on about it....which seed co do you work for and how much do they pay?

I've attempted to point out Brick Top's hypocrisy in a few other threads and usually I just get attacked in some post that is 15 paragraphs long. It's simple. In his eyes we are all just a bunch of "puppies" or "bubblegummers" that know nothing about growing and get all excited about some "flavor of the month strain". We are not worthy to be in Brick Top's presence (unless you agree with his position). He has "39 years of growing experience" and doesn't waste any opportunity to let everybody know it. He always has to have the last word and nobody who disagrees with him will never win...........EVER!!!!! lol! Honestly, I am more amused by the gross hypocrisy of his posts. He always likes to shit on people who nit pick things in his posts but then he does the exact same thing to me by calling out my intelligence because I misspelled the word "hypocrisy". Then of course there's the old "pot and kettle" schtick that he loves to throw out there all the damn time. He's quickly becoming one of the most annoying people here at RIU. What an honor!

 

[Dr Gruber]

I've attempted to point out Brick Top's hypocrisy in a few other threads and usually I just get attacked in some post that is 15 paragraphs long. It's simple. In his eyes we are all just a bunch of "puppies" or "bubblegummers" that know nothing about growing and get all excited about some "flavor of the month strain". We are not worthy to be in Brick Top's presence (unless you agree with his position). He has "39 years of growing experience" and doesn't waste any opportunity to let everybody know it. He always has to have the last word and nobody who disagrees with him will ever win...........EVER!!!!! lol! Honestly, I am more amused by the gross hypocrisy of his posts. He always likes to shit on people who nit pick things in his posts but then he does the exact same thing to me by calling out my intelligence because I misspelled the word "hypocrisy". Then of course there's the old "pot and kettle" schtick that he loves to throw out there all the damn time. He's quickly becoming one of the most annoying people here at RIU. What an honor!

If i have the time i will check his post history and see if a pattern emerges. I hate getting in arguments on a forum and calling people names, but he is looking kind of foolish calling for an end and then writing paragraph after paragraph on the subject, and the excuses are just lame.

 

[OGMan]

Like I said, I don't know about your particular Acapulco Gold but everything and I do mean everything ( Bubba Kush, OG kush, Chemdawg, Cindy 99, Sour Diesel etc.) I have gotten from Greenthumb has been spot on and exactly as advertised. So, OK, in your opinion his Acapulco Gold was not AG, we get it. I had Doc's Golden Haze and it was an amzingly potent and wonderful plant and it was obvious to me that Guererro Gold was one of the parent plants. I spent about a year in Pie de La Questa back in the 70s and believe it or not, I'm no fool, so he had Guererro Gold, there's no doubt in my mind and I have no reason to suspect that doc would lie about it. What exactly makes you a Acapulco Gold expert? Now stop being an edjit

 

[Angry Pollock]

ONLY 39 yrs of growing? i've got 4 yrs on you then. maybe your grow skills are lousy

 

[doc111]

If i have the time i will check his post history and see if a pattern emerges. I hate getting in arguments on a forum and calling people names, but he is looking kind of foolish calling for an end and then writing paragraph after paragraph on the subject, and the excuses are just lame.

Let me know what you find. I have little doubt you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[Brick Top]

Bricktop,
I must have missed it...can someone show me where Doc said he talked to DD personally?

I believe what was in one of my messages said; "Why was there all the back and forth between DD and Greenthumb?" The world personal was not used because it was in emails, emails that were posted.

Emails between doubled and Dr. Greenthumb

I would like to make clear to all members here that dr greenthumbs g13, which he is advertising as my cut, is a down right filthy lie. I have never sold, traded, or bartered my cut to ANYONE EVER. I have thought about selling it in the past but i never did. Dr greenthumb is a scammer, it makes me wonder what else he is lying about also?

Here is a couple of emails between him and i

dds

What the fuck guys, why would you put my name on your g13 cut if its actually g13? what the fuck? take my name off that fake ass bullshit. I will give you 2 days and if its not off i will post on every website about your fake ass bullshit !!!!!

dr gt

You are of course completely correct, it is in fact the cut that came from Neville thorough you, not yours per se. I am deeply sorry about this and we'll have it off the website in an hour or so and will delete any other mentions we find. If you know of any that we can readily delete, please let us know and we'll see to it.

dds

I have never given or sold a cut to anyone so how would it be possible you got nevilles cut through me? Man, sell your gear without lying please, there is absolutely no need for it in our community.

dds

its on your damn website for one, take it off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dr gt

I was going to take it off, then I found out you had already gone out and said that it was not yours BEFORE you sent me the email...so no...I'll do nothing about it all. You're nothing but a liar and scumbag. I know you've sold at least 7, so stop lying. Having said that thanks for selling the cut, we're making a ton of money of of it. Now fuck off!

dr gt

You're nothing but a lying, cheating, rip off scumbag and you're being called out on your bullshit all over the place. Time to disappear again. This time for good.

dds

lol, you brought it out when i dissapeared, that tells everybody everything. why am i a lying, cheating, ripoff scumbag ....... time for a very big virus for your website...... you asked for it mate


thanks in advance

dds

And please after all of your calls to let this debate end why are you now the leader of the charge? Can you say hypocrisy? Or do i need to copy and paste all your posts calling for an end?

There were some going on about it, having ignored my attempt to reason with people to drop it, and since they were still going on about it I ran across another piece of information that shed more light on the topic, so I posted it. Since then they have been on me like white on rice, which has included making up absolute total lies about me and or what I have said, so while I intended to add one piece of information for them so they might have a more clear picture of things and finally give up their last stand, I got sucked back in, and if there is one thing about me, if I am taunted, like repeatedly being called things like; "a twat" and; "a pest" and lied about, I am not going to just sit here and let it pass.

This is kind of reminding me of Bush and the Iraq war...first it was because of WMD, then its trying to help the poor people of Iraq and then the truth comes out and its really about oil and money.

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That is a MAJOR swerve, and a highly incorrect example. If Iraq had been about oil and the U.S. was going to take it all or most of it and monetarily rape the Iraqis then why are gasoline prices so much higher now that we allegedly have access to vast reserves of crude oil that is anywhere from cheap to free? If the U.S. were taking Iraqi oil, for free or paying pennies on the dollar for it, gasoline prices could be half or less what they are now and the oil companies would still be raking in record profits.

So, which is it now? Some of you have claimed you are just trying to warn the good people of a scam....42 pages later you are still trying? Does theat make any sense to anyone?

That is something of a misrepresentation of things, or at least my part it them. I did say it was time to end the exchange, and I said little to nothing more for a while, so I was not involved in all the pages you mentioned, as if inferring I was continually involved. And you left out that others did not stop and they kept saying the same old inaccuracies, which evidently you do not mind because you want to believe that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is real. As I said, I found one more piece of information that I posted in hopes of those still clinging to the fantasy would read it and decide it was time to end their futile attempt to talk something into being something it is not and something it never will be. That failed and instead those people, and possibly more, and been nipping at me like a pack of hungry wolves ever since, and I have replied to what they have said, in particular to the flat out lies some made up.

Has the point youve been trying to make been made yet?

Has the point those who never stopped and who continued to claim it to be the real G13 been made yet? Why are you not pointing a finger at those people and drawing attention to how I attempted to get this to end and then stayed out of it for a while, but they continued on and on and on. Am I the bad guy because I attempted to end the argument, failed too do so but still stayed out of it a while before getting back into the still ongoing discussion being perpetuated by the propagandists attempting to make people believe that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is real, but those who never stopped, those who ignored my attempt to end things, those who have since insisted on taking this to a personal level and have relied on calling me; "a twat" and: "a pest" and have flat out lied about me are the good guys in this exchange. They are not any problem. They have never said or done anything that bothers you or that you see as having gone too far. That you fully support them, you back them and their efforts with your intentional silence about and non-involvement in what they continued to say and what they have said since I returned.

And to think you called me a hypocrite.

If not how many more pages do you need?

How many more pages will those who insist that Dr. Greenthumb is or has to be real need? Are they allowed more of a say or more space or more messages than I am?

Im sure someone can give you some english lessons so you can get your point out in less then 10 pages.

I have made my point very clearly, repeatedly, but some refuse to accept it and reply with more opinion and claims and rumor and gossip and hearsay, so I reply to them yet again trying to get them to finally understand what was clearly stated over and over again but they either totally missed or just refused to accept.

What is more obvious then anything is that nobody is being swayed either way so its a moot point...let it go Bricktop.

That is what I said last time, and then I stayed away from the thread and only made the error of checking back in and seeing the same discussion was still going on and posted one very good piece of information from a highly credible source, and once again found myself stuck in the quicksand. So last time I was the voice of reason and I was the one to walk away.

Well, this time you convince all those who are claiming that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is real to give it up and to walk away first this time ... and then I will follow right behind them. There is no reason I should have to go first twice. Convince the other side of the exchange to be first to stop, and I will then do the very same thing.

What is also obvious or at least becomeing more and more aparent is that some of you must work for Doc's compitition and feel a strong need to discredit him, over and over again. He must be doing something right.

That is totally absurd. If anything along those lines is happening it is clear it could only be that those who keep claiming that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is real are on Dr. Greenthumb's payroll and getting free beans or large discounts or something for their efforts to help propagandize buyers that his fugazi strain is an original diamond.

If you didnt then i dont see why you would go on and on about it....which seed co do you work for and how much do they pay?

You have resorted to lying now too. You made a statement to plant a seed of doubt or curiosity in people and you followed it up by asking a question worded in a way to make it sound like your inferred seed of doubt was factual.

I do not work for any seed company. I retired at the age of 49 and I have no need, or desire, to attempt to pimp anyone's seeds to then receive free seeds or some form of payment in return.

You allegation is beyond absurd when you consider all that I have said. If I were to be working for some breeder that breeder would want, and expect, to profit at least somewhat from my efforts since, according to your lie, I am receiving some sort of payment for what I am doing. For that to happen I would have to be saying things like, Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is at best a hybrid and if you are going to purchase a G13 hybrid you should purchase a good one, one that is tried and true, one like breeder X offers, so you would be smart to purchase his G13 x whatever rather than Dr. Greenthumb's either total fake G13 or hybrid that he is lying about and claiming to be pure.

You haven't seen me mention any other breeder's name, have you? Nope, you haven't. Possibly what I have said has caused a few people to not waste their money on a fake G13 but that does not mean they did not instead just purchase some other Dr. Greenthumb strain ... and if they chose some other breeder, considering how many there are to pick from these days, over 90 of them on Attitude alone, what, without me steering them to a certain breeder, would be the odd that they would by chance pick the breeder that you are attempting to discredit me by claiming I am receiving payment for, you know, whatever fantasy breeder you dreamed up or wondered about when you said; "which seed co do you work for and how much do they pay?"


I do not and would never trade what I say for beans nor money. While I am positive you, and most others, will not believe this, about a month or two ago a new seedbank offered to pay me in beans if I would post messages here saying the seedbank was a quality seedbank that was reputable and handled high quality genetics. No one has seen a single message from me saying anything like that because as I replied to the offer, it would be unethical for me to claim a seedbank I never used and know nothing about is reputable and handles high quality genetics.

A few weeks later I received a PM from a breeder asking me to test grow new strains and evaluate them for the breeder before release. I did not do it, in part because I do not give out personal information and for the seeds to be sent to me I would have to do that, but also because I felt that if I said they had a winner I would then be asked to post messages saying so .. and having been given free seeds to test I would in some way be obligated to the breeder, and I was not going to put myself in that position.

Your lie that I work for some breeder does not pass the sniff test, it does not pass the Pepsi Challenge, because nothing I have said would have in any way directed anyone to any particular breeder and what breeder would pay someone just to hurt Dr. Greenthumb's sales if the breeder did not stand at least some chance of picking up some of Dr. Greenthumb's lost sales?

Everything I have said has either been the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, as in the case of my experience with Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold, or has been highly damning evidence, some from those themselves involved and some from highly credible sources and who are professional breeders, and have been for many years and who had the the G13 and made crosses with the true G13, such as Shantibaba and Nevil, a pair who would have no reason to lie and who would also have the greatest chance of knowing the truth, the facts, as to if G13 still exists in it's original real true pure form ... and they do not believe it too be possible.

If someone, anyone, can provide one single verifiable piece of proof from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form, post the information, include the source and a link and I will not hesitate a second to say that I must have been wrong. Just one person needs to supply just one single verifiable piece of proof from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form, that's all .. just one.

Which of you can and will do precisely that? Which one of you will finally stop replying strictly with their opinion or personal belief or rumor or gossip or hearsay or unverifiable claims or bits from an evolving story where the characters and claims have changed several times, and might change again and instead supply just one single verifiable piece of proof directly from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form?

If no one can do that the Mt. Everest sized pile of evidence pointing to Dr. Greenthumb's G13 not being the real true totally pure original strain is so overwhelming that if this were a court of law, Dr. Greenthumb would be found guilty of fraud.

 

[OGMan]

"If someone, anyone, can provide one single verifiable piece of proof from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form, post the information, include the source and a link and I will not hesitate a second to say that I must have been wrong. Just one person needs to supply just one single verifiable piece of proof from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form, that's all .. just one. ..."

Bricktop. If you can provide one single solitary piece of proof from one credible source that you are an expert on Acapulco Gold or anything else, I will not hesitate for one second to admit that I might be wrong about you and that you might not be a twat.

Actually several growers, including people at this forum are growing doc's g13 and are including photos. Say what you will, it is a big, fat, heavy plant that tends to support the case for it actaully being G13. That to me, carries far more weight than all your mad ravings.