Dr Greenthumbs G13

bajafox

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stonedmetalhead1 said:
There are obviously people who support Greenthumb but there are also obviously some people just spamming for him. When people have 100% of their posts defending and pimping his gear without any other input to the site what do you call it? i.e OGMan, Biggybuds, Chemdog and a couple others.
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Exactly, I think I stated earlier in this thread that those spammers are really doing more harm to Dr.Greenthumbs reputation than helping it. If they would stay away and let Dr.Gruber do all the talking and representation for Dr. GT then he might not be "attacked" as much.
 
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bushybush said:
Ouch 90% DON'T test? That's just negligent!
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It really is, isn't it? But it does go a long way to explain the complaints about low germ rates we read about and then read where the unhappy customer goes on to wrongly blame whatever seedbank they used.
 
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Brick Top said:
You made a fair point, and yes there are likely spammers and if not actual spammers, there are trolls who just want to argue.

The part you said about IP addresses being the same. I have no way of knowing how many people here have multiple accounts but there are some who do. Not long ago I made a comment to someone behind the RIU curtain about a couple major thorns in my side and their IP address was checked and were the same and the accounts/address were blocked.

It happens on every site. Some time back when there was a flood of anti-Attitude threads that were all started by members with post counts of around 15 or so and then a second member with roughly the same post count would chime in and back them up I posted a message here from another site I hang out on. The very same thing was going on there, and on most of these sites at the same time, and a mod wrote a message that said they checked the anti-Attitude thread starters IP address and the one who a few messages later chimed in agreeing and then they tag-teamed in the thread and they were the same and they were blocked.

It happens, it is unavoidable, it is a pain in the butt, but people will do it, and you might be right that at least some involved in the Dr. Greenthumbs thing could be spammers.

But then when you put together all the pieces of evidence, from various people who if anyone would know the truth about G13, what they have said and add in things like the original description of G13 that few if any today ever read or remember and how totally different it was from what Dr. Greenthumb's description is and the every evolving storyline from Dr. Greenthumb as to the origin of his strain, and any reasonable person would have to have extremely serious doubts as to it's authenticity.

Then add what happened to people like me who were sold fake Acapulco Gold seeds from his Heritage Line, that did not survive long, likely because it was all fake, and again, any reasonable person would have to have extremely serious doubts as to the authenticity of Dr. Greenthumb's claimed too be G13.

He has sold fake versions of famous name strains in the past. There is no questioning that. Now he allegedly has a strain that the people who do, or at least should, know the most about it say it died off, or that what he has is not pure and at the very best a hybrid or maybe, but doubtfully, an F2 or an F3 or something. He has an evolving story and while people claim certain people have verified it, even each version of it, you cannot find anything from those who are claimed to verify it, and if anything what you find from them discredits it. Then you go back to how a plant what when pure and being grown and used in crosses had a description that is about as opposite as any description could ever possibly be from Dr. Greenthumb's description of his strain, and once again, any rational, logical, reasonable non-biased, open minded person would have to have extremely serious doubts as to it being what it is claimed to be.

So sure, maybe spammers are involved and they are doing their best to keep the subject alive and to get the word out to as many people as possible, and maybe their motives are not fact based and they may not care one way or the other and just have some totally different agenda, but when you look at things under a microscope and do so totally objectively, it is impossible for any unbiased person to think anything other than there are very valid reasons to question the validity of the strain and no number of possible spammers and or trolls involved will ever be able to alter that fact.
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Did you call Doc and question his Acapulco Gold? You do know he answers his phone and will talk to you.

I think Doc is a good dude, if you treat him with respect, he will do the same. He probably would have made it right by you BrickTop , giving you a different strain or something.
 
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Dr Gruber said:
And about germination...you would now have to say that Greenthumb is a true professional because he certainly does test his beans and i cant think of a single credible complaint about his germ rates. The only thing i have ever seen are complaints from new growers who screw them up, and personally i have had 100% sucess rates with his stuff.
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I forgot to comment on the portion above.

I do not want ANYONE to get the impression that I believe or are saying that Dr. Greenthumb is a low quality breeder or a total crook. While I see at least some of his products as being overpriced I do know that at least some of his products are definitely quality products.

And if he is in the roughly 10% of breeders who to test each batch of seeds they make for germination rate before supplying seedbanks with them or selling them directly, I have to applaud him for that. If he is just so good at making beans that his gear always has a germination rate that is high enough to be totally acceptable, but he doesn't actually test his beans, well then I still applaud him on his skill but would prefer it if he were to actually test his beans. I do not know if he does or does not test them so I will not claim either to be the case. I will say that tested or not no breeder will always be able to maintain a constant supply of seeds that will always have a 100% germination rate. That is a virtual impossibility. But any truly skilled breeder, who tests his seeds, should be able to guarantee about a 95% germination rate.

But it seems more than just obvious that now and then he will take something of a shortcut to increase his income. His heritage line that were not what they were claimed to be but had names that I am sure, at least for a short period of time until old timers like me figured it out, must have sold well because the strains were called very famous names from the past. Now there is this very obvious highly questionable G13 strain to consider.

Would I call Dr. Greenthumb a true professional? I believe I would. But would I say that he might at times have at least a slight problem with complete and total honesty about at least some strains he sells? I would say he obviously slips slightly now and then and tends to embellish a strain claim now and then.

Do I think that makes him a terrible person because of it? No. He's only human and there is a bit of greed in almost every single one of us.

In all the years I spent selling cars and then doing the F&I and then being a sales manager and then a partner in the dealership and later a partner in a marina where we also sold boats I can in all honesty say that I never once lied to so much as one single customer about our products or service or business in general. Could I have given some better deals now and then? I sure could, but I knew that my income was in the wallet or purse of the man or woman sitting across from me or sitting across from one of my salespeople. Did I ever flat out rape anyone with a price? Never once, but if someone made an offer on a vehicle or a boat where I would have taken less I did not turn it down. Like the Doc I was in business to earn a good income and secure my future, but I would not say or do anything dishonest and if I ever caught an employee who did, they were packing their things and headed out the door very quickly.

I held myself and my employees to a standard of honesty and I did my best to keep that standard at all times. When I see someone, anyone, who does not do the same, no matter how high of quality of a product they might offer, I am unable to respect them.

True professionalism, when it comes to skill or quality, and complete and total honesty unfortunately do not always go hand in hand as they should and I do believe that once again Dr. Greenthumb has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
 
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fletchman said:
Did you call Doc and question his Acapulco Gold? You do know he answers his phone and will talk to you.

I think Doc is a good dude, if you treat him with respect, he will do the same. He probably would have made it right by you BrickTop , giving you a different strain or something.
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I bought and smoked and grew and smoked the strain enough times to know that what I received was absolutely positively not Acapulco Gold. There was not one single thing about it from the color of the seeds to the taste or high or anything else in between that was even close to what I knew and what I knew well.

What is was like was like some of the lower grade Colombian strains of the 70's, and that is what I believe it likely was.

So did I call and ask about the strain? Nope. I saw no need to. I knew it was not what it was claimed to be. There was no doubt whatsoever that it was not what it was claimed to be. Had I called him and treated him with the utmost respect do you actually believe that his response would have been something like, 'it figures that an old timer like you would know the difference. You're right, it's not true Acapulco Gold'? That would have been the only honest reply to make but do you honestly believe I would have been told something like that? I sure didn't at the time and I still don't.

Maybe I should have contacted him to see what he would say, but my state of mind at the time was that of, I have been ripped off, so I would not have expected honesty. I would have expected excuses and attempted explanations like, how do you know what you bought and smoked and then grew and smoked was true Acapulco Gold in the first place? Maybe you are mistaken. Or maybe a phenotype story would have been the result or maybe how from time to time there are packaging errors and that must have been what happened. After his website stressing the strain to be the real deal, the Real McCoy I would not have expected him to do anything other than attempt to support those inaccurate claims.

Now maybe had I called him he might have said packaging error, and I would send another pack but we're temporarily out so I will refund your money or you can pick another strain of equal or lesser value. He may have made some attempt to placate me, to make me happy. I am not saying he would not have done something like that so maybe I was in the wrong by not having given him the opportunity.

Had that happened I would still today be telling what happened, but I would have added that he at least tried to make it right, to make up for the 'packaging error' or whatever he would have blamed it on. So maybe I did not give him the chance to attempt to make things at least somewhat better. But then I had taken his word for what his product would be, and it was not what he claimed it to be, so I just wrote him off as being at least somewhat dishonest and untrustworthy and left it at that.

And now this inordinately questionable G13 thing popped up. To use a Yogi Berra quote, to me; "it's just like déjà vu all over again."

I would really like to believe that Dr. Greenthumb has the real true G13 because if I knew for sure he did, I would purchase it. I would also like to believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, the missile shield and strippers with a heart of gold, but I cannot being myself to believe in any of those anymore than I can bring myself to believe that Dr. Greenthumb has the Real McCoy G13. There have been too many questions raised followed by an evolving story that has not been verified by any credible source, and the description of the strain is as different as night from day from the original description of the real true G13 from the past, so how could anyone, other than those who just want it to be real so badly that they will believe anything, actually believe it to be real?
 
londonfog

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bajafox said:
Exactly, I think I stated earlier in this thread that those spammers are really doing more harm to Dr.Greenthumbs reputation than helping it. If they would stay away and let Dr.Gruber do all the talking and representation for Dr. GT then he might not be "attacked" as much.
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I agree the only reason I still may cope some beans from DR.Greenthumbs will be because of DR.Gruber...just waiting until after vacations, but it won't be the 100 dollar seed...I have to get something though just to see for myself..and Dr.Gruber does an excellent job of trying to keep it real ...you other guys are straight jokers and really mess up the man business...
 
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Even though he can't seem to say anything in under 6 paragraphs, I like BrickTop's take on Greenthumb. To me, it's the fairest, most even-handed, carefully thought through perspective, and probably the closest anyone will get to the truth, barring somebody capturing Greenthumb and injecting him with enough truth serum to crack him open like a nut, all while filming the whole thing, then posting it here (in the proper thread, goddammit!).
 
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londonfog said:
you other guys are straight jokers and really mess up the man business...
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From where I am sitting you have things backwards. When Dr. Greenthumb sold me fake Acapulco Gold beans he messed up his business because he ripped off a customer who is now telling the world about it, about what he did.

And now he is offering a strain he claims to be something that people who are, and have been for many years, involved in breeding and had the strain and knew the strain and are saying it cannot be the strain it is claimed to be, and the original description of the strain, something that came out in print before some members of this site were ever born and who never read it and never knew it describe it as being just about the polar opposite of what Dr. Greenthumb describes his strain as being .... so when you add those things together, along with other things like an ever evolving story as to how he got it and from who, and in my mind; "the man" has in the past, and again is, messing up his own business.

If an auto manufacturer has a major recall and it is reported in the news and people talk about it and the manufacturers sales drop did the news and people talking about the manufacturer and the recall problem cause the drop is sales, or was it due to the manufacturer having a design flaw of some sort that caused the recall in the first place that then caused the news and people to talk about it actually cause a drop in sales? Was the actual problem the design flaw/recall or that the news reported it and people talked about it?

When a business, any business, does something or things that causes people to question it and wonder about it and doubt it and to be concerned about doing business with it the fault is that of the business itself, not that of those the business caused to question and wonder about and doubt the business and to be concerned about doing business with the business.
 
londonfog

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Brick Top said:
From where I am sitting you have things backwards. When Dr. Greenthumb sold me fake Acapulco Gold beans he messed up his business because he ripped off a customer who is now telling the world about it, about what he did.

And now he is offering a strain he claims to be something that people who are, and have been for many years, involved in breeding and had the strain and knew the strain and are saying it cannot be the strain it is claimed to be, and the original description of the strain, something that came out in print before some members of this site were ever born and who never read it and never knew it describe it as being just about the polar opposite of what Dr. Greenthumb describes his strain as being .... so when you add those things together, along with other things like an ever evolving story as to how he got it and from who, and in my mind; "the man" has in the past, and again is, messing up his own business.

If an auto manufacturer has a major recall and it is reported in the news and people talk about it and the manufacturers sales drop did the news and people talking about the manufacturer and the recall problem cause the drop is sales, or was it due to the manufacturer having a design flaw of some sort that caused the recall in the first place that then caused the news and people to talk about it actually cause a drop in sales? Was the actual problem the design flaw/recall or that the news reported it and people talked about it?

When a business, any business, does something or things that causes people to question it and wonder about it and doubt it and to be concerned about doing business with it the fault is that of the business itself, not that of those the business caused to question and wonder about and doubt the business and to be concerned about doing business with the business.
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Hey that did not apply to you guy..I was talking about the guys telling how great he is when they can't produce pics...then they try to tell me shit in which I know cannot be true...not the people who has legit questions....Only the ones on his nuts without showing why...Dr. Gruber actually has pictures to show and if he does not know the answer he says the best thing you can say " I don't know ask Dr. Greenthumb yourself"...Best answer you can give if you don't know...not the BS these other Greenthumb fans give...sorry if you thought it was to you...should have been more clear..
 
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steampick said:
Even though he can't seem to say anything in under 6 paragraphs, I like BrickTop's take on Greenthumb. To me, it's the fairest, most even-handed, carefully thought through perspective, and probably the closest anyone will get to the truth,
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That is why I cannot say it in less than six paragraphs .. that and I like sativas so I am more motivated than most and do not need to attempt to say something in three words or less because that is all the longer my attention span will last.
 
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sniffer said:
my dad is the tooth fairy , i caught him in the act one night
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Maybe I am reading more into things than you meant, but if I had been you I would have called Child Protective Services if I caught my dad; "in the act" in my bedroom late one night dressed as a fairy.
 
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londonfog said:
Hey that did not apply to you guy..I was talking about the guys telling how great he is when they can't produce pics...
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Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying but when you said; "Dr.Gruber does an excellent job of trying to keep it real ...you other guys are straight jokers and really mess up the man business.." it read more like you were saying that anyone who is doubting that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is real are messing up his business.
 
Doobius1

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I'm not going to get into the battle though it has been a good read. Some of you guys take this so serious. Passion is good. Here's a link to my Iranian/G13 journal I got going. The mother of the plants in the journal was flowered out. It smells like hay, tastes like shit but gets you completely fried. Some real killer bud. This after a week long cure. Can't believe how much vap it gives off in my HerbalAire. Right up there with Ak47 or White Russian for potency IMO. Check out my journal. I'm growing 4 plants, 2 I/G13 and 2 OG Kush from Reserva Privada in a Stinkbud system. Currently around week 4. So far I haven't fucked 'em up.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/420639-dr-greenthumb-iranian-g13-rp.html
 
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Brick Top said:
From where I am sitting you have things backwards. When Dr. Greenthumb sold me fake Acapulco Gold beans he messed up his business because he ripped off a customer who is now telling the world about it, about what he did.

And now he is offering a strain he claims to be something that people who are, and have been for many years, involved in breeding and had the strain and knew the strain and are saying it cannot be the strain it is claimed to be, and the original description of the strain, something that came out in print before some members of this site were ever born and who never read it and never knew it describe it as being just about the polar opposite of what Dr. Greenthumb describes his strain as being .... so when you add those things together, along with other things like an ever evolving story as to how he got it and from who, and in my mind; "the man" has in the past, and again is, messing up his own business.

If an auto manufacturer has a major recall and it is reported in the news and people talk about it and the manufacturers sales drop did the news and people talking about the manufacturer and the recall problem cause the drop is sales, or was it due to the manufacturer having a design flaw of some sort that caused the recall in the first place that then caused the news and people to talk about it actually cause a drop in sales? Was the actual problem the design flaw/recall or that the news reported it and people talked about it?

When a business, any business, does something or things that causes people to question it and wonder about it and doubt it and to be concerned about doing business with it the fault is that of the business itself, not that of those the business caused to question and wonder about and doubt the business and to be concerned about doing business with the business.
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So you got Acapulco Gold from Greenthumb like 20 years ago that in your opinion wasn't Acapulco Gold and you're still wittering on about it. What a twat! I don't know about the Acapulco Gold but I do know about the Golden Haze, that Greenthumb made from the Acapulco Gold and it was unbelieveable smoke and you're still a twat.
 
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