Canadian Medical Marijuana Users Banned from the US:

Ernst

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Canadian Medical Marijuana Users Banned from the US:

Here is some news for you all.. We do better to keep up to date on the current things as well as hash out the old.

Canadian Medical Marijuana Users Banned from the US:
The US will ban all "admitted drug users", even legal ones


by Anonymous from the Multiple Sclerosis Newsletter (10 May, 2008)

Here is a horrifying story from the Newsletter of the West Kootenay Chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada.

Like most Canadians, I live close to the US border and have routinely traveled into the US throughout my life. I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis (MS) about four years ago. On November 8th 2007, I was traveling to the US with my son and daughter, both in their twenties. My daughter was taking a flight from the US to Florida so it would be three of us going down, and two of us returning in a few hours, a historically common practice for many traveling Canadians. Upon arrival at the border, my daughter's flight ticket was produced, verifying she was leaving that day for a weekend trip. The duty officer asked for all of our identifications and took them into the office, presumably for a computer check. When she returned a few minutes later, she requested all of us to leave the vehicle.

When I went to get out, I instinctively grabbed my purse to take with me, and she instructed me to leave it behind, which I did. The duty officer took nearly ten minutes inspecting every aspect of my daughter's vehicle, and when she came into the office, instructed my two adult children to return to the car and asked me to remain behind. She asked me if I smoked. Surprised, I said yes. She then asked me if I smoked marijuana because she detected a faint odor in my purse. I again said yes, adding it's for medical reasons and that I have a federal government card permitting me use.

I was allowed to go and get my purse, and produced the card, expecting that to be the end of it.

If at this moment you are thinking I had marijuana with me at the time, you'd be wrong. Or if you are thinking it must at least reek of marijuana, you'd also be wrong. I did not have anything with me as carrying marijuana into the US would be an incredibly stupid move based on their anti-everything policies. And I seldom ever carry anything around, period, and couldn't honestly recall the last time I might have. Either she has the nose equal to that of a bloodhound or had an odor-sensor tool because I'm sure an average person would not have smelled anything in my purse. On my body, perhaps, but not in my purse.

It is early afternoon and the travel window for the flight departure is less than two hours. My children are instructed to remain in the car while I remained inside, and instructed to provide a statement. The duty officer explained that giving a statement now would explain everything and remain on file for future border crossings to avoid further issues about this. As much as I detested the thought of being singled out in any way, shape or form and even more so having my name automatically pulled up on the border computers, I conceded and cooperated. All of my ID was photocopied and that included other disability identification. My statement explained that I wouldn't dream of carrying anything into the US because I understand it's only legal in Canada and that I use it for multiple sclerosis symptoms, etc. I was truthful in all ways. Once the statement was completed, I was allowed to return to the car with my children to wait for clearance. A few minutes later the duty officer returned and told me that I would not be allowed to enter into the US and must come back into the customs office now for more statements because I have officially been refused entry.

All three of us in the car went "Huh?" She explained that she had truly believed I would be allowed entry after the statement taken, but when she submitted it for clearance, was told absolutely not. She said she even went to the next level and was again told absolutely no entry and that I now was required to return to the office for more statements and forms. I was supposed to be the return driver as my son was unfamiliar with my daughter's car and both of them totally unfamiliar with the city they are driving to. Now that I was suddenly eliminated from the trip, the two of them were left to drive on their own without benefit of my directions to the airport, make the flight on time, and hopefully my son manage to drive back to Canada on the right highway without being in an accident! As I had just been detained nearly an hour by this time, it was a hurried good-bye and I said I would wait there and read until he came back through. I was very concerned about my son's return trip as he was not at all prepared for the drive and would be completely alone, something he would never have agreed to do in the first place.

Once back inside, within minutes what I believed to be a temporary setback turned into an avalanche of bad news -- first, that I would not be allowed into the US which I thought meant for that trip; secondly, having it clarified that this was not a onetime denial, this was permanently banned from the US for being an admitted drug user; third, that it was required that I have two sets of fingerprints taken as well as mug shots for the civil file now in my name; and fourth, warned that if I attempt to enter the US again, I will be heavily fined and any vehicle I'm in will be confiscated and any other country I travel to now when asked if I've ever been denied entry into a country, must now declare that I was refused entry to the US for being an "admitted drug user"!

It was another hour inside the customs being processed, most of the time in tears. The duty officer did what she was supposed to do and thanked me at the end for being so cooperative... I asked her if I could leave, and she said yes, but suggested I remain there to wait for my son's return. I shook my head and said absolutely no way am I staying here a second more than I have to after all this. She gave me copies of my denial papers to deliver to the Canadian Customs and expected I would wait there. But I was too upset to do anything but walk off my anger and disappointment. I handed the papers to the Canadian border on my way by, and said thanks but no thanks to remaining inside the Canadian customs office until my son (hopefully) returned from the airport trip, at least another 4 hours from now.

This particular border crossing is in a rural location and miles from the nearest city. I felt I could walk there in a few hours, and at least physically vent my anguish, not realizing (remembering) that what I thought was maybe ten miles back was more like forty. The US border is at the end of a long stretch of isolated highway without any street lights. Since it was November it was getting dark by late afternoon. And since it was Sunday, travel to and from the border was almost nil and why the Canadian customs officer had pleaded with me to not walk but to remain there. It was now occurring to me that walking was not the smartest idea since it would be a very black winter night soon, and I could still not see any city in sight. My choices were to continue, go back, or hitchhike. I kept walking for several minutes until I heard a car come by. I stopped, turned towards it and stuck my thumb out. It continued past me, leaving me alone and wondering when (or if) another car would come by. I was now unable to see any skyline because of the continuing darkness and wondered what the chances were of encountering a wild animal, trying hard to not let myself get nervous about the possibilities. Within the next ten minutes a second vehicle was coming and this time stopped for me and I got to the small city (a further twenty minute drive) where I would wait for my son's eventful return.


Please see the link for the full story http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1-/8544-medical-marijuana-users-banned-from-the-us.html
 

Ernst

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The devil is in the details.. I think we need a passport to travel to Canada as well now?
 

Ernst

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That is the subtle reality.. Remember it is legal to board a plane and leave the USA but you may find you cannot fly back.
 

Murfy

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i'm like uncle jesse-
i've been two places in my life, and that was too many. and that's why. bet i've been on a list for awhile.

but the fact is our government are thugs, and criminals. it won't go on much further. my generation is fucked up. we'll call it x. hopin our fuck you attitude is gonna throw these assholes for a loop.

when it happens i'm the first to motion for treason charges.
 

Ernst

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What I wonder is.. If I go to Canada being a medical cannabis person will I get back in the USA?
 

KevinSmith

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can't even cross the border now (either-way) if you have a simple d.u.i. and yet you can show up from anywhere else in the world (including high risk countries) and claim you are a refugee and we welcome you with open arms.............
 

KevinSmith

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Added this story on my facebook although sheeple don't want to do anything about anything..
They'll read it then say how that is wrong etc.. then go back to watching tv. and I am not the kettle calling the pot black. I am just as guilty of a major human offense. Complacency........
 

Ernst

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Added this story on my facebook although sheeple don't want to do anything about anything..
They'll read it then say how that is wrong etc.. then go back to watching tv. and I am not the kettle calling the pot black. I am just as guilty of a major human offense. Complacency........
Like getting grow site people to vote for Horticulture rights for all the people if nothing else.

The point is we make the effort and are true to ourselves.

What we have in impulse let us have twice that in patience. Because we all die and the show seems to go on.. Cannabis is not the only plants and species we need to defend but it's my favorite plant.

Ernst
 

doc111

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Like getting grow site people to vote for Horticulture rights for all the people if nothing else.

The point is we make the effort and are true to ourselves.

What we have in impulse let us have twice that in patience. Because we all die and the show seems to go on.. Cannabis is not the only plants and species we need to defend but it's my favorite plant.

Ernst
I think most of us want that freedom Ernst. Some of us just disagree with you and think your way isn't necessarily the best, most practical way of succeeding. What tokers want is success, not bullshit rhetoric. We want results, not a bunch of bickering. If YOUR way made even a little bit of sense I might be inclined to get behind it but unfortunatley it makes no sense to me at all and I personally believe your prop. has little chance of serious consideration much less passage in 2012. I do wish you all the best with it though.:blsmoke:
 

toastycookies

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The article you posted states "Submitted anonymously to the Newsletter of the West Kootenay Chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada Volume 7, Issue 2, March 2008"
How can this be possible when the Volume 1 Issue 7 of Newsletter of the West Kootenay Chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada was issued in January of 2009? (meaning the publication was still in it's first year of production...)
https://msors.mssociety.ca/CATv2/PDFs/Chapter709/January_2009_WKC.pdf
If someone could provide a link to the ORIGINAL article I would believe this. Right now it seems a little fishy to me...
http://chapters.mssociety.ca/default.aspx?ChapterID=709&PageID=329&L=2
 

Ernst

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I think most of us want that freedom Ernst. Some of us just disagree with you and think your way isn't necessarily the best, most practical way of succeeding. What tokers want is success, not bullshit rhetoric. We want results, not a bunch of bickering. If YOUR way made even a little bit of sense I might be inclined to get behind it but unfortunatley it makes no sense to me at all and I personally believe your prop. has little chance of serious consideration much less passage in 2012. I do wish you all the best with it though.:blsmoke:
Look Dan is riding me for free. He uses me for his recognition just look at how much I do vs what he does now why are you riding me as well?

Did I hurt your feelings? Did I say things you don't agree with and so it's your crusade now as well as dan's crusade?

Is that what it is?

Who cares what I think? What is important is that other people think for themselves.

Whatever.. All you are doing is ruining Rollitup's forum. What I say or do isn't effected.

People will make up their own mind. I'll have little more to do with that then a moments thought.

If the choice in 2012 is bad expect a no vote.
 

Ernst

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The article you posted states "Submitted anonymously to the Newsletter of the West Kootenay Chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada Volume 7, Issue 2, March 2008"
How can this be possible when the Volume 1 Issue 7 of Newsletter of the West Kootenay Chapter of the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada was issued in January of 2009? (meaning the publication was still in it's first year of production...)
https://msors.mssociety.ca/CATv2/PDFs/Chapter709/January_2009_WKC.pdf
If someone could provide a link to the ORIGINAL article I would believe this. Right now it seems a little fishy to me...
http://chapters.mssociety.ca/default.aspx?ChapterID=709&PageID=329&L=2

You may have a point there. It was a general interest "inbox" article meaning google kicked it to me and it could have flaws.

What I got from it was it related to the May 2nd elections and would honor our Canadian members to host as much as I can.

Is it true then that medical people are prohibited? I read DUI is.

So that's all i expected.. Just some conversation.
 

toastycookies

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You may have a point there. It was a general interest "inbox" article meaning google kicked it to me and it could have flaws.

What I got from it was it related to the May 2nd elections and would honor our Canadian members to host as much as I can.

Is it true then that medical people are prohibited? I read DUI is.

So that's all i expected.. Just some conversation.
I cannot find anything that states canadian medical marijuana patients will be denied access to the us on http://www.cbp.gov/

because a DUI is considered a felony in canada if you have gotten charged with one in the last 5 years or more recent it may be tricky to get into canada, but is possible. If your DUI conviction is over 10 years old you should not have a problem entering canada due to the DUI.
http://www.1800duilaws.com/article/travel_to_canada.asp
 

doc111

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Look Dan is riding me for free. He uses me for his recognition just look at how much I do vs what he does now why are you riding me as well?

Did I hurt your feelings? Did I say things you don't agree with and so it's your crusade now as well as dan's crusade?

Is that what it is?

Who cares what I think? What is important is that other people think for themselves.

Whatever.. All you are doing is ruining Rollitup's forum. What I say or do isn't effected.

People will make up their own mind. I'll have little more to do with that then a moments thought.

If the choice in 2012 is bad expect a no vote.
Would you rather I not post in "your" threads Ernst? Just let me know, because I've kept it pretty civil with you in spite of your constant insults (goon squad? Nice!:roll:). I've got nothing against you or your "crusade" except what I said in my previous post. You keep posting the same nonsense, I'll keep saying I disagree with it and why I disagree. The First Amendmant is a wonderful thing wouldn't you agree? :-P
 

Ernst

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I cannot find anything that states canadian medical marijuana patients will be denied access to the us on http://www.cbp.gov/

because a DUI is considered a felony in canada if you have gotten charged with one in the last 5 years or more recent it may be tricky to get into canada, but is possible. If your DUI conviction is over 10 years old you should not have a problem entering canada due to the DUI.
http://www.1800duilaws.com/article/travel_to_canada.asp

I'll go look too. Maybe together we can solve this or request that this thread be deleted?

I'm cool.

I hope you see i am not up to anything.
 
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