It's Too Easy to Get a Medical License In This Great State

[Dan Kone]

I'm done with this discussion, it always ends the same way, people in Cali pissed and getting defensive about how it is in their state... It is because of California that patients in Rhode island and New Jersey CANNOT access medicine, even though they have a script.... Simply because legislatures are taking forever in getting everything funded and set up. they keep citing abuses in California... Does that mean it's your fault? Nope....

California is to blame for having shitty elected officials in California. California is not to blame for the laws/representation of New Jersey or Rhode Island. That's on them.

You didn't regulate or oversee the program. No one is blaming the guy with a cold that got a card... they are blaming a system that allows it to happen under the guise that compassionate use is going on. What is happening in California does get noticed and is talked about in other states.

You're welcome.

In fact, we had a nasty little lady here as attorney general that pretty much said MMJ would come to our state over her dead body, because we were not going to become a California.

The people of California did not elect her. Not our fault. The fact is that there are a lot of people, especially politicians who are going to be against medical cannabis no matter what. If it wasn't California they'd be doing the exact same shit except pointing to something else as the problem.

It's not about California, it's about them not wanting medical Cannabis. They wouldn't want it regardless of what happens in California.

Your blame is misplaced. California's system works really well for the people of California. It isn't a problem here. The only places there are problems are where the anti-cannabis people create problems. Those people would be creating problems no matter what we do.

 

[Negrodamus]

The OP makes an excellent point, whether you like it or not. Other states that are coming onboard with MMJ are using California as a model of what NOT to do. A lady on the Dr Oz show regarding MMJ made a good point, it's because of California's haphazard oversight, that many states are overly restrictive, preventing patients in true need of access to the medicine from getting it in a timely fashion, example, New Jersey and Rhode Island.

So while some of you may have that "fuck you, I got mine" attitude, you are really hurting access to MMJ for many others.... California MMJ access is a joke. They should have passed 219 and been done with it.

"When an old farmer’s stallion wins a prize at a country show, his neighbor calls round to congratulate him, but the old farmer says, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” The next day some thieves come and steal his valuable animal. His neighbor comes to commiserate with him, but the old man replies, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” A few days later the spirited stallion escapes from the thieves and joins a herd of wild mares, leading them back to the farm. The neighbor calls to share the farmer’s joy, but the farmer says, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” The following day, while trying to break in one of the wild mares, the farmer’s son is thrown and fractures his leg. The neighbor calls to share the farmer’s sorrow, but the old man’s attitude remains the same as before. The following week the army passes by, forcibly conscripting soldiers for a war, but they do not take the farmer’s son because he cannot walk."

Who knows?!

 

[Shangeet]

"When an old farmer’s stallion wins a prize at a country show, his neighbor calls round to congratulate him, but the old farmer says, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” The next day some thieves come and steal his valuable animal. His neighbor comes to commiserate with him, but the old man replies, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” A few days later the spirited stallion escapes from the thieves and joins a herd of wild mares, leading them back to the farm. The neighbor calls to share the farmer’s joy, but the farmer says, “Who knows what is good and what is bad?” The following day, while trying to break in one of the wild mares, the farmer’s son is thrown and fractures his leg. The neighbor calls to share the farmer’s sorrow, but the old man’s attitude remains the same as before. The following week the army passes by, forcibly conscripting soldiers for a war, but they do not take the farmer’s son because he cannot walk."

Who knows?!

everybody knows how to blame others...

 

[Shadeslay]

California is not to blame for the laws/representation of New Jersey or Rhode Island. That's on them.

The US has a crappy health care system, lets blame Canada! All joking aside, a very well said post.


I'm in Ca. and I did not have an easy time getting my card. It's odd though, my county was in favor of legalizing it, but every dispensary that tries to operate here, gets shut down. We currently have zero here, a couple of mobiles, but they get shut down nearly as fast as they pop up.

 

[NoGutsGrower]

You don't get arrested for 1 oz or under in cali! it is just a ticket now! doesn't even go on your record! I think its only like 150 dollars or something!
I have my card in both washington and california! The doctors in washington made me bring at least 3 years of medical records for the same qualifying condition, prescription list, birth cert., State ID. Washington doesn't give cards for adhd, asthma, anxiety and a ton of other thing! Washington is a hard state to get your card in! When I went to get my card in cali. I had just moved down here and lost my wallet. I went to the dmv and got a california Id. I went to the doctors with the receipt from the dmv and a prescription list that my pharmacy in washington faxed me. I showed the lady in the front my birth cert and receipt and she said ok fill this out and the doctor will see you shortly! I saw the doctor about 15 minutes later. We talked for about 3 minutes and he said "I feel really sorry for your condition! ask the receptionist for the discount price!" He never once looked at any paperwork! I was in and out with card in hand in less than 30 minutes! I could have easily not had anything wrong! My name explains why I have mine! All having your card down here does for you now is let you grow and saves you from a ticket! If you get caught moving more than an ounce around then you were most likely doing something stupid!

 

[zhn0k]

it's awesome!

$40 flat for my recommendation and med. card... i was literally in and out of the office in less then 15 minutes.

 

[GreenThumbBill]

I am a REAL patient for medical marijuana, I have a REAL problem & not just headaches or something. Now i'm not dissing anybody who has a license that is in real need for this great medicine, but come on people can go to just about any doctor to get a card, when I went he gave me some Bullshit about my disorder like "thats it" I was pissed because I saw people in front of me with no doc recs or any documents proving anything, but I had all of them. I was a little worried he wasn't going to give me the card, but then I looked down to see that my card & everything was in the folder with my name on it, that the front desk guy gave the doctor when he saw me. Since I have a real medical reason IDK that he pre-made it, but that just goes to show me that EVERY patient in that room got one, and he gave me (a person with real problems) some crap...


ONCE AGAIN IN NO WAY AM I OFFENDING ANYBODY THAT MIGHT HAVE A MILD PROBLEM, IM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE A SHIT LOAD OF PEOPLE THAT GO IN JUST TO BE LEGAL TO SMOKE...WHICH IS WHY THIS GREAT MEDICINE IS STILL BEING UNDERLOOKED.

SHUT UP FAGGOT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFloXOuLgA

 

[NoGutsGrower]

I'm done with this discussion, it always ends the same way, people in Cali pissed and getting defensive about how it is in their state... It is because of California that patients in Rhode island and New Jersey CANNOT access medicine, even though they have a script.... Simply because legislatures are taking forever in getting everything funded and set up. they keep citing abuses in California... Does that mean it's your fault? Nope.... You didn't regulate or oversee the program. No one is blaming the guy with a cold that got a card... they are blaming a system that allows it to happen under the guise that compassionate use is going on. What is happening in California does get noticed and is talked about in other states. In fact, we had a nasty little lady here as attorney general that pretty much said MMJ would come to our state over her dead body, because we were not going to become a California.

Is she ill informed or misguided? Hell yes, but it's that perception that California has allowed to flourish with poor oversight and lack of regulation and enforcement. So to those patients with terminal illnesses, or are fighting cancer and can't keep a meal down because of the chemo, are you going to tell them thats why we have states? I hope that eventually we can all smoke and grow in the open. However voters in the states yet to pass MMJ may hear or read or view reports about the rampant abuse in Cali and vote no in their state because of it. At that point, it isn't just a California issue.

someone is jealous! don't hate on cali! move to a mmj friendly state! Montana takes any states mmj card! They have very little law enforcement there! why not hate them!
People who hate cali do so because they aren't here! Washington wants to be cali! everything cali does washington copies about a year or two later! mmj in cali -1996 mmj in washington 1998. washington is way more strict than cali though! No clubs allowed and such!
So you are WRONG It is not because of california you cant get it there! there are plenty of states that are mmj states even though california has fewer restrictions! Be glad California became a medical state and has stuck with it! otherwise you wouldn't even be considering the fact that your state might becoming legal!

 

[SCCA]

its funny how many people in other states think weed is just flowing in the streets here or something. i have talked to several people visiting from out of state that thought people just hung out at Starbucks smoking joints all day. one lady even wanted to know where the best cannabis cafe was. i think the California cannabis scene, medical or otherwise, has become so fantasized and mystified by folks dreaming of what it might be like, that huge misconceptions have developed. The state cannabis industry does need better regulation, but the current system still works fairly well. it is up to you to be honest with your doctor. if you lie to get your recommendation, it will never stand up in court which is the whole reason for having one. hell, you could even be charged with fraud.

to the OP, how are we to determine what is a REAL medical reason for needing pot? If cannabis relieves your symptoms, allows you to use less narcotics, or even allows you to get a few extra hours of sleep at night, isn't it better than relying on things that are much more difficult for your body to process? what about people who work their asses off all day and come home mentally and physically exhausted? should they take some over the counter pill, instead of smoking a joint, because they aren't on death's doorstep?

 

[NoGutsGrower]

I am a REAL patient for medical marijuana, I have a REAL problem & not just headaches or something. Now i'm not dissing anybody who has a license that is in real need for this great medicine, but come on people can go to just about any doctor to get a card, when I went he gave me some Bullshit about my disorder like "thats it" I was pissed because I saw people in front of me with no doc recs or any documents proving anything, but I had all of them. I was a little worried he wasn't going to give me the card, but then I looked down to see that my card & everything was in the folder with my name on it, that the front desk guy gave the doctor when he saw me. Since I have a real medical reason IDK that he pre-made it, but that just goes to show me that EVERY patient in that room got one, and he gave me (a person with real problems) some crap...


ONCE AGAIN IN NO WAY AM I OFFENDING ANYBODY THAT MIGHT HAVE A MILD PROBLEM, IM JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE A SHIT LOAD OF PEOPLE THAT GO IN JUST TO BE LEGAL TO SMOKE...WHICH IS WHY THIS GREAT MEDICINE IS STILL BEING UNDERLOOKED.

real medical condition but the weed doctor that you claim is just handing out cards replies "thats it"? Who gets to decide what a real medical condition for pot is? Ive had 7 surgeries, removing most of my intestines (not counting the 3 hernia surgeries)! I eat once a day or once every other day because I don't the guts for it and the nausea is so bad, I bleed every time I got to the bathroom and have stomach cramps which are as I was told by my female doctor way worse than regular stomach cramps. My body attacks its self because it doesn't like that all of that is missing so I give my self shots every 2 weeks to kill my immune system! and all the steroid I have taken have ruined my adrenal glands which also cause intense pain! Maybe I think what ever your medical condition is isn't that bad and you don't need a card. Not saying I think that, I know that the doctors give cards pretty easy, but when I went to get my card the doctor was saying how bad he feels for me, not "is that it"! Dont be like serapis and HATE! It should be just plain legal!

 

[KlosetKing]

someone is jealous! don't hate on cali! move to a mmj friendly state! Montana takes any states mmj card!

Actually, MT's MMJ program is about to be reformed (Gov. Schweitzer will NOT be signing or vetoing SB423, thus it will become law).

Their excuse for this reform? That the registry has 'mushroom clouded' since the Ogden Memorandum, along with constant references to Californias MMJ program and its supposed flaws.

Now i personally believe that A. It should be legal anyways, and B. People can use whatever medicine they want for whatever condition they feel they need to. Its their body, its their life, its their right. That being said, they DO blame CA here in MT, and they are about to turn about 28,000 people into criminals almost overnight. It may not be as easy as you think to be legal here anymore, in fact i would guarantee it.

If you ask me, Colorodo did that shit right. Adding it to the constitution? Beautiful.

 

[Dan Kone]

That being said, they DO blame CA here in MT, and they are about to turn about 28,000 people into criminals almost overnight

Then their blame is misguided. The people who oppose medical marijuana would be doing the same things they are doing now regardless of what happens in California. Those people should thank California for leading the way an stop blaming them for the opposition to medical marijuana. The people who oppose it made up their minds before medical marijuana even existed.

People are falling for the anti-cannabis people's bullshit. The opposition claims the problem is California, really it's them. It's too bad pro-cannabis people buy into their bullshit. That's not Cali's fault though.

 

[a mongo frog]

keep those percription pill popping mother fuckers away from me and my mmj licence. if your sick smoke pot, running a small fever smoke pot, hung over smoke pot, stubbed your toe smoke pot. all reasons why medical licences in cali are greattttttttttttttttttt.

 

[NoGutsGrower]

keep those percription pill popping mother fuckers away from me and my mmj licence. if your sick smoke pot, running a small fever smoke pot, hung over smoke pot, stubbed your toe smoke pot. all reasons why medical licences in cali are greattttttttttttttttttt.

exactly! keep those pills away! I smoke pot and live a semi-normal life now. On pills ALL I did was lay to high to do anything. I doesn't matter how much I smoke I am still in full control of my self.

 

[Severdali]

"a lady on the dr oz show made a good point"


heahehaehahahahahahaha lolol

 

[LordWinter]

Seems like Montana is in trouble. Though I haven't yet seen the actual law, I see a lot of wiggle room in there to defame MMJ, especially with the way they give the Health Department jurisdiction to adopt rules regarding the transportation, possession of samples and testing and labeling of marijuana by laboratories around Montana. I see a lot of ways for them to just completely obliterate public opinion on MMJ, through sub-standard and incorrect testing, skewed results due to personal bias, it's hard not to let the imagination run wild because there's so many possibilities. There are some plusses, though, raising the patient limit for caregivers is great. Removing the profit is not. Why do the pharmaceutical companies get tens to thousands of bucks for a single pill, but we can't get paid reasonably for a much larger quantity of MMJ? They shouldn't force people to give it away, THAT is something that should be up to the individual grower. It's obvious that they're now trying to tank the law you have while throwing a few bones your way to distract you. The Health Department is run by the government, and is NOT your friend. Weigh the pro's and con's out carefully, then take a good look at what's really happening.

The article I drew this information from is here at the Helena Independent Record... Take a Look

As for California, well... say what you want, but they're one of the trailblazers in this. It only looks bad because they're pushing for legalization and state's rights now, it has gone beyond the simple issue of MMJ out there. We're close, folks. Closer than we have ever been. With a potential presidential candidate talking about Sched 1 reform that puts the control back in the hands of the states, it makes sense that California and the older MMJ states lead the charge. We need to be careful about playing the blame game now and just make sure that we don't push too hard in the conservative states while still making our voices heard when the bullshit starts kicking up every now and then.

It's not that difficult folks, with all the "Write Letters to Your Senators" threads going up, how in the world are we having these arguments?