BlazedMonkey
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I <3 4acoDMT just like shrooms. If you can find some try it out4-aco-dmt
Apparently metabolizes into psilocin.
Let's talk about 'shroom extract
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BlazedMonkey
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Ill have to try sometime, but my favorite is to put them chopped up in a crunchy PB, PB&J mmmmmmmmm shroom sandwichPure chem would be nice
If you don't like the taste of shrooms, Grind them up into powder and mix it with applesauce (Make sure its the good stuff nothing cheap, the more flavor the better) It mask's 90% of the taste.
Add a little sugar and you shouldn't even notice!
ChubbySoap
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chocolate/strawberry milkshakes and rum truffles hide the flavor profile of shrooms pretty good for me
ChubbySoap
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oh!
and i loves me some shroom/bavarian wild berry Lipton black tea.....the shrooms really give a nice earthy tone
i bet a dollop of that nice blue honey would produce ambrosia of the finest quality...
and i loves me some shroom/bavarian wild berry Lipton black tea.....the shrooms really give a nice earthy tone
i bet a dollop of that nice blue honey would produce ambrosia of the finest quality...
choempi
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I am interested in following you do a tek canndo, as I have about 12ozs of mush I would like to play with ( I got lazy last flush and they got huge and sporelated all over them selves - which is not a biggie for potency but looks bag in a bag 
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I am gonna get some everclear to make some hash with soon, and I know peeps use it sometimes for the magic crystals.
Gel caps are the easiest no mess, no taste, accurate and consistent way to dose mush
)I am gonna get some everclear to make some hash with soon, and I know peeps use it sometimes for the magic crystals.
Gel caps are the easiest no mess, no taste, accurate and consistent way to dose mush
canndo
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It isn't much of a tek really.
1. Grind up your product
2. Weigh the product
3. WRITE DOWN THE WEIGHT
4. Place your product in a glass container with an inch more acetone than product
5. Stir, shake, or let sit for a couple of hours
6. Filter, throw out the acetone, keep the powder
7. Let the powder dry
8. Place your product in a glass container with an inch or more methanol
9. Stir, shake, or let sit for 12 hours
10. Filter, save the methanol and save the powder
11. Do it again
12. Combine the liquid and dry.
13. Take the remaining goo and put it in a mortar and pestle with some vitamin C and mix it all up. Use enough Vitamin C to make the mixture relatively dry
14. Weigh the product again and determine how strong you want the things.
15. Put it in capsules.
16. Be very very careful
Discussion:
I'm figuring I have a loss rate of around 10 percent, based upon absolutely nothing, so (as an example), you extract from 10 grams. You want each cap to have the effect of an eighth, when you finish, you divide the results into thirds and cap.
I know methanol works the best of all solvents (although acetic acid may be more specific) but methanol doesn't dissolve very much so you have to use a lot. I am quite certain that ethanol works but everclear still has water in it. I'd probably use denatured alcohol - don't worry, so long as you flash the last of the solvent off in a warm water bath, no harm will come to you.
Because methanol doesn't dissolve much, you can work a cold extraction method. It will take longer but I suspect it will be much more pure. The point is reaching saturation levels. Ensure that your methanol is heated (100 degrees? maybe a bit more?) while you are extracting. Then separate the methanol off and put it in the freezer. You will get a precipitate. Filter while cold. Save the precipitate. Then pour the methanol back into your extraction system and repeat. Keep doing this until there is no more precipitate and then either evaporate the last of the methanol or if you are thrifty, distill it off and save it.
I mix the results into vitamin C because it is an antioxidant and it might preserve this stuff which I fear is volatile and likely to degrade quickly with heat and light. Now I wonder if one can reflux this stuff, I wonder if flashing the last of the solvent off degrades it, I wonder lots of things. I think that it would take an entirely different technique to actually arrive at crystals. The crystals that eventually precipitate out of long term storage of tincture are not the crystals we are looking for.
1. Grind up your product
2. Weigh the product
3. WRITE DOWN THE WEIGHT
4. Place your product in a glass container with an inch more acetone than product
5. Stir, shake, or let sit for a couple of hours
6. Filter, throw out the acetone, keep the powder
7. Let the powder dry
8. Place your product in a glass container with an inch or more methanol
9. Stir, shake, or let sit for 12 hours
10. Filter, save the methanol and save the powder
11. Do it again
12. Combine the liquid and dry.
13. Take the remaining goo and put it in a mortar and pestle with some vitamin C and mix it all up. Use enough Vitamin C to make the mixture relatively dry
14. Weigh the product again and determine how strong you want the things.
15. Put it in capsules.
16. Be very very careful
Discussion:
I'm figuring I have a loss rate of around 10 percent, based upon absolutely nothing, so (as an example), you extract from 10 grams. You want each cap to have the effect of an eighth, when you finish, you divide the results into thirds and cap.
I know methanol works the best of all solvents (although acetic acid may be more specific) but methanol doesn't dissolve very much so you have to use a lot. I am quite certain that ethanol works but everclear still has water in it. I'd probably use denatured alcohol - don't worry, so long as you flash the last of the solvent off in a warm water bath, no harm will come to you.
Because methanol doesn't dissolve much, you can work a cold extraction method. It will take longer but I suspect it will be much more pure. The point is reaching saturation levels. Ensure that your methanol is heated (100 degrees? maybe a bit more?) while you are extracting. Then separate the methanol off and put it in the freezer. You will get a precipitate. Filter while cold. Save the precipitate. Then pour the methanol back into your extraction system and repeat. Keep doing this until there is no more precipitate and then either evaporate the last of the methanol or if you are thrifty, distill it off and save it.
I mix the results into vitamin C because it is an antioxidant and it might preserve this stuff which I fear is volatile and likely to degrade quickly with heat and light. Now I wonder if one can reflux this stuff, I wonder if flashing the last of the solvent off degrades it, I wonder lots of things. I think that it would take an entirely different technique to actually arrive at crystals. The crystals that eventually precipitate out of long term storage of tincture are not the crystals we are looking for.
KlosetKing
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Just wanted to point out that there is no evidence to support this. Any of the experts (RR, Roadkill, etc) on shroomery will say the same thing. No difference has been shown in the amount/quality of psilocybin/psilocin between caps and stems.
ChubbySoap
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taking a ginseng cap with the shroom caps tend to help with the whole vomiting thing
choempi
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Where do you get your solvents?
I know I have read a tek for chrystals using everclear someplace, I will find...
hiddenidentity
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This is wrong lol... so many misconceptions about shrooms, people just make shit up about them lol
I may be new to growing bud, but I have grown shrooms for years (you can look me up on shroomery.org).
This is by far my favorite way to dose:
1. weigh out your dose. (I usually use about 1/4, but this gets me really high, you prolly want to use 3g or so if inexperienced with shrooms)
2. grind up the shrooms as fine as possible (coffee grinder or scissors work if they are slightly moist and wont crumble in your hands)
3. put them into a plastic soda bottle using a funnel.
4. squeese 2 lemons, and one lime into the bottle.
5. shake the living shit outta the bottle, and let sit for 20 - 30 mins. Make sure to shake the bottle every 5 mins or so.
6. pour the mixture into a sauce pan, and add water to the pan. Then put in 2 teabags, bring to a boil, turn off heat right after it starts boiling, let steep for 10 minutes.
7. strain tea using coffee filter.
8. add sugar, honey, and some ginger to the tea (ginger really helps with your stomach)
9. I drink mine warm because I dont feel like waiting, but you can cool in the fridge if you want.
This tek is by far my favorite because its the only way I dont throw up. This way also hits you a LOT faster, and harder, but dont last as long. It should hit you like a ton of bricks after about 10-15 minutes, (as opposed to 45 minutes with eating) but the high usually only lasts for 2 - 3 hours. This is fine with me because when I'm on long trips, sometimes Im like "fuck Im tired of being high" 2 - 3 hour trips are fun though, and they dont ruin your whole day. The crushed up mushies that you strained out still have a little psycobin and psylocybin in them, but I usually just toss them cause they upset my stomach.
A quicker/easier version of this is to crush shrooms, and put them in a coffee maker with 2 teabags, and run it. This dont work as well though.
canndo
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Del, I don't know where you got this, but mushrooms have stems and caps, they are made of the same mycelium, the same cells. I can take a snippet of those cells from any portion of the mushroom and it will grow, eventually into another complete mushroom. It is unlikely that one portion will have a substantialy different effect upon you than another except for the possibilty of of basidium or spores themselves having substantialy different chemical makeup. They don't.
canndo
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choempi
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Thanks canndo, bare with me, I am a novice to all extractions and have no science background.
I am a simple stoner that learned how to grow by trial and error.
ChubbySoap
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...is this a good time to reaffirm the dangers to minimize the possibility of someone with admittedly, ZERO experience which volatile compounds, blowing off an arm, their face, or a finger?
choempi
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I am not an idiot, are you?
canndo
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Never a problem. This is a more difficult extraction and I don't even know if it is worth it yet.Thanks canndo, bare with me, I am a novice to all extractions and have no science background.
I am a simple stoner that learned how to grow by trial and error.
ChubbySoap
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never implied you were...sorry if you got that impression...
and yes actually, when i am confronted with a new procedure involving things i don't know about, i am in all fact an idiot, from a lack of experience alone.
mistakes happen...eyebrows, outhouses and homes have been lost.
i misinterpreted you saying you had no science background, as to mean you didn't have any science background...such as how densities of volatile liquids and their resulting gasses are often overlooked by the newb brewer leading to flashovers when using even a modest electrical heat source.
i meant no harm. literally.
...i apologize for wasting my concern.
and yes actually, when i am confronted with a new procedure involving things i don't know about, i am in all fact an idiot, from a lack of experience alone.
mistakes happen...eyebrows, outhouses and homes have been lost.
i misinterpreted you saying you had no science background, as to mean you didn't have any science background...such as how densities of volatile liquids and their resulting gasses are often overlooked by the newb brewer leading to flashovers when using even a modest electrical heat source.
i meant no harm. literally.
...i apologize for wasting my concern.
choempi
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Gotcha, bro, I do not do anything unless I have hard factual info, the part I have probs with is in nomenclature.
I understand tho, but every post in this section needs a disclaimer as to idiocy, and that is tiresome...
canndo
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We have three liquids, all of them volatile. I highly recommend reading the dangers on the labels. Most of these liquids give off fumes that are heavier than air and so should be reduced in a spark or open flame free area. The garage is usually not a good place because of the water heater. Breathing methanol fumes is not a good idea but on the other hand, the amounts we are working with are fairly small, they should be still be respected. If we are refluxing or distilling then we don't want to run out of coolant. I don't like wasting methanol so I distill over a heated stir plate. Choempi comes off as a reasonable and intelligent person, not likely to endanger himself or others with his experiments. We should not be afraid of simple chemicals. I've seen people go out of their way to avoid having to work with lye as though it were some sort of poison. I use it when curing my olives every year, which means I actually eat (admittedly) reacted lye, so it isn't really a poison.
On the other hand, I recently read of a case where two guys did a butane oil extraction in a closed hotel room. Now I had thought that any fool would realize that one does not release a flamable gas into a closed room and strike a match. These folks were extraordinary in their foolishness and burned down most of the hotel - and their face, shirts, hair and eyebrows.