Dr Greenthumbs G13

[Dr Gruber]

Did someone say Dr Greenthumbs pure G13?

 

[Brick Top]

Bricktop. What is DD's G13 then?

I don't know .. but isn't that rather immaterial since DoubleD said Dr. Greenthumb did not get his cut and that if a cut was actually purchased it came from Jim Ortega? The question should be, what is Jim Ortega's cut, not what is DoubleD's cut, right?

I wouldn't really tend to put all that much faith in what Ortega says since he appears to be trying to help cover things up or muddy the waters to help Dr. Ripoff. He claimed the confusion came from how he had nicknamed a cut DD and labeled some clones allegedly sold to Dr. Ripoff as DD.

When you factor in things like what Shantibaba and Nevil have said and how the description of the strain being a heavy producing fruity flavored strain, the description of G13 x NL, and the original G13 was a low yielding scraggly plant that tasted like urine and feces it is more than apparent that whatever Ortega has, or allegedly has, at best it has to be some hybrid.

 

[Brick Top]

Did someone say Dr Greenthumbs pure G13?

Pretty plants. Interestingly enough though they share no resemblance whatsoever to the real true original pure G13 that was described as being a scraggly plant. They much more look like G13 x NL than the real true original pure G13.

 

[OGMan]

I don't know .. but isn't that rather immaterial since DoubleD said Dr. Greenthumb did not get his cut and that if a cut was actually purchased it came from Jim Ortega? The question should be, what is Jim Ortega's cut, not what is DoubleD's cut, right?

I wouldn't really tend to put all that much faith in what Ortega says since he appears to be trying to help cover things up or muddy the waters to help Dr. Ripoff. He claimed the confusion came from how he had nicknamed a cut DD and labeled some clones allegedly sold to Dr. Ripoff as DD.

When you factor in things like what Shantibaba and Nevil have said and how the description of the strain being a heavy producing fruity flavored strain, the description of G13 x NL, and the original G13 was a low yielding scraggly plant that tasted like urine and feces it is more than apparent that whatever Ortega has, or allegedly has, at best it has to be some hybrid.

I think it's very material. I've asked before. Why won't you answer?

 

[OGMan]

Did someone say Dr Greenthumbs pure G13?

Very nice shots Dr. Gruber. Those look exactly like DD's G13, which is why I'm asking Bricktop what DD's G13 really is in his opinion. I don't ever recall Greenthumb saying his wasn't the same, just that it wasn't actually DD's to start with but Neville's, since DD's came from Neville. Where Jim Ortega fits into all this I don't know which is confusing because Jim Ortega is so well known and has such cred.

 

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by Brick Top
I don't know .. but isn't that rather immaterial since DoubleD said Dr. Greenthumb did not get his cut and that if a cut was actually purchased it came from Jim Ortega? The question should be, what is Jim Ortega's cut, not what is DoubleD's cut, right?

I wouldn't really tend to put all that much faith in what Ortega says since he appears to be trying to help cover things up or muddy the waters to help Dr. Ripoff. He claimed the confusion came from how he had nicknamed a cut DD and labeled some clones allegedly sold to Dr. Ripoff as DD.

When you factor in things like what Shantibaba and Nevil have said and how the description of the strain being a heavy producing fruity flavored strain, the description of G13 x NL, and the original G13 was a low yielding scraggly plant that tasted like urine and feces it is more than apparent that whatever Ortega has, or allegedly has, at best it has to be some hybrid.

I think it's very material. I've asked before. Why won't you answer?

I have answered the question before earlier in the thread. If you are incapable of keeping up or suffer from short term memory problems or just lack the intelligence to understand and remember ... that is your misery, not mine. There is no reason in the world why I should keep answering the same question over and over just because someone else asks it. I have given my answer once, so that should be enough for you.

I have no idea what DoubleD may or may not have had at what time in the past or where/who it came from. Regardless of what that might or might not have been if he begins to sell seeds that produce thick bushy heavy producing plants with a fruity flavor smoke and claims it to be true pure original G13, then I will say that particular strain is not true pure original G13.

As some of the information I posted earlier in the thread stated, information if I remember correctly came from Shantibaba, it said that the original eventually lost vigor and died out. Some have claimed it was a virus and that some plants in the hands of some were saved, but I do not believe that for one second. I fully believe that all that has survived from those days that have G13 in them are the heartiest of crosses, and nothing else or nothing more.

If anyone advertises a G13 strain as being the true pure original G13 rather than some type of cross and it's a thick heavy yielding fruity flavored strain I will say it is not the true pure original G13.

You may have missed it earlier in this thread but Reeferman is one of my favorite breeders, I love most all of his true sativas, but he sells a G13 that he calls RM G13 and I said in this thread that it isn't the real true pure G13. If I will say that about one of my favorite breeders I will say it about any breeder. But he does advertise his RMG13 as being G13 x White Widow, at least he does on Hemp Depot. http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/reeferman/RMG13.htm Even if he calls it RM G13 as long as in the description he mentions it is really G13 x White Widow, then I have no problem with it. Now I do somewhat question if there isn't something else in the mix that is not mentioned though. As Shantibaba said it, about a decade after Nevil had the true original pure G13 Soma and Reeferman purchased some old hybrid seeds from Nevil through third parties. They have hybrids, not the real deal. So if Reeferman's RM G13 was a hybrid to begin with then his G13 x White Widow has to have something else in it ... but at least he does not use the words; "pure G13" about his strain like Dr. Greenthumb does on his site.

The original was nothing at all like any strains offered today that are claimed to be G13. The descriptions of each of them are as different as night and day. They are all hybrids or pure fakes.

 

[Dr Gruber]

Very nice shots Dr. Gruber. Those look exactly like DD's G13, which is why I'm asking Bricktop what DD's G13 really is in his opinion. I don't ever recall Greenthumb saying his wasn't the same, just that it wasn't actually DD's to start with but Neville's, since DD's came from Neville. Where Jim Ortega fits into all this I don't know which is confusing because Jim Ortega is so well known and has such cred.

Yes he does have Cred and yes it does seem to look alot like DD's so far. No amount of old posts and opinions are going to mean much until Nevile actually comes out and says something about Greenthumbs G13.

 

[WoodyHaze]

who gives a f#ck anymore, goddam

 

[Dr Gruber]

who gives a f#ck anymore, goddam

Sorry if i bothered you.

 

[OGMan]

I have answered the question before earlier in the thread. If you are incapable of keeping up or suffer from short term memory problems or just lack the intelligence to understand and remember ... that is your misery, not mine. There is no reason in the world why I should keep answering the same question over and over just because someone else asks it. I have given my answer once, so that should be enough for you.

OK fair enough. At least you're consistant. So both Doc's and DD's are fakes in your opinion. I thought for a long time you were working for DD and had taken him up on his offer of free seeds for anyone who'd go online and diss doc. Obviously if you say DD's are fakes that can't be the case.

 

[Brick Top]

You want facts. OK here are some indisputable facts;


2. Has been top rated at the Seedbankupdates for a decade or two.

On the topic of NOT answering questions, of NOT replying to what has been asked, about DUCKING AND DODGING questions ..... I have asked two or three times precisely WHAT; "the Seedbankupdates" site has Dr. Greenthumb; "been top rated" "for a decade or two?"

Why do you refuse to answer that question? What is the link to; "the Seedbankupdates" site you are talking about? Who runs it? Is it independent and based on what customers of the various seedbanks report or is is a site that accepts advertising and does Dr. Greenthumb advertise there?

How about doing a C&P showing; "the Seedbankupdates" site you are referring to and including a link to it ... like I have done with Greenman's seedbank update site?

Why do you keep refusing to answer? Why do you keep refusing to reveal your alleged source? What are you so horrified of that it keeps you from showing us all where you supposedly found the information you claim to be accurate?

 

[Brick Top]

OK fair enough. At least you're consistant. So both Doc's and DD's are fakes in your opinion. I thought for a long time you were working for DD and had taken him up on his offer of free seeds for anyone who'd go online and diss doc. Obviously if you say DD's are fakes that can't be the case.

I have said it before, the most credible sources to be found when it comes to G13, as in the real true G13, Shantibaba and Nevil say it died out and no longer exists. I do not believe that anyone has it, and I would be stunned if the University of Mississippi even still had it, are any of the other numbered 'G' strains, since the strain was known to lose vigor and die off.

 

[OGMan]

On the topic of NOT answering questions, of NOT replying to what has been asked, about DUCKING AND DODGING questions ..... I have asked two or three times precisely WHAT; "the Seedbankupdates" site has Dr. Greenthumb; "been top rated" "for a decade or two?"

Why do you refuse to answer that question? What is the link to; "the Seedbankupdates" site you are talking about? Who runs it? Is it independent and based on what customers of the various seedbanks report or is is a site that accepts advertising and does Dr. Greenthumb advertise there?

How about doing a C&P showing; "the Seedbankupdates" site you are referring to and including a link to it ... like I have done with Greenman's seedbank update site?

Why do you keep refusing to answer? Why do you keep refusing to reveal your alleged source? What are you so horrified of that it keeps you from showing us all where you supposedly found the information you claim to be accurate?

I was talking about the same one but I guess it's been more like a decade.

 

[Brick Top]

Why would he ? His whole existance is designed around proving his superiority to the human race, being the intellectual runt of the family has left him with a severe inferiority complex.

I am unsure if you are more pathetic or more hilarious. The delusions you suffer from are incredible. Sure I did not earn a degree in horticulture like my brother in law, my sister, one of my three nieces and her husband did. Instead my degree is in business. If I am the; "intellectual runt" of my family why are they all still working and I was able to own both a new car dealership and a marina and retire when I was 49-years old? The reason I was capable of doing that was certainly not because I am some Canadian frmrboi. It was only possible through a combination of intelligence, education, a willingness to take risks and effort.

But your little story, as pathetic as it was, was amusing. Be sure to share your next delusion with us so we can have another laugh at your expense.

 

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by Brick Top
On the topic of NOT answering questions, of NOT replying to what has been asked, about DUCKING AND DODGING questions ..... I have asked two or three times precisely WHAT; "the Seedbankupdates" site has Dr. Greenthumb; "been top rated" "for a decade or two?"

Why do you refuse to answer that question? What is the link to; "the Seedbankupdates" site you are talking about? Who runs it? Is it independent and based on what customers of the various seedbanks report or is is a site that accepts advertising and does Dr. Greenthumb advertise there?

How about doing a C&P showing; "the Seedbankupdates" site you are referring to and including a link to it ... like I have done with Greenman's seedbank update site?

Why do you keep refusing to answer? Why do you keep refusing to reveal your alleged source? What are you so horrified of that it keeps you from showing us all where you supposedly found the information you claim to be accurate?

I was talking about the same one but I guess it's been more like a decade.

If so then you were inaccurate when you claimed that Dr. Greenthumb had been given the highest rating, for whatever length of time you believe it to be, a decade or whatever.

The highest rating given is 5 stars. The highest rating any seedbank or seedbank/breeder presently has is 4 1/2 stars. Dr. Greenthumb presently has a 4 star rating. Just several months ago he was at a 3 1/2 star rating and at least one point slipped down to a 3 star rating. Possibly lower at some point and I do not recall it, but I do know that only within the last handful of months Dr. Greenthumb moved up from a 3 1/2 star rating to a 4 star rating and in the roughly 11 years I have relied on Greenman's rating site I have never once seen Dr. Greenthumb receive a full 5 star rating ... and just to be clear about how I keep up on these things, I go their almost daily so I do see when someone's ratings improve or decline.

Again:

Attitude 4 star 1/2 (F****1/2) -seedbank only, not a breeder
Bluenose 3 star (***) (2) -breeder - seedbank
Dr. Greenthumbs 4 star (F****) (1,2,3) -breeder - seedbank
Hemp Depot 4 star and 1/2 (F****1/2) (1,2,4,) - seedbank only, not a breeder
Hemcy 4 and 1/2 star (F****1/2) (1,4) - breeder - seedbank
Highland 2 star and 1/2 (**1/2)
Joey Weed 4 star and a half (F****1/2) (1,2) - breeder
Klozit King 3 star and 1/2 (***1/2) (1,2)
Natural Mystic 3 star and 1/2 (***1/2)
Peakseeds BC 4 star and 1/2 (****1/2)F - breeder - seedbank
Seedboutique 3 stars and 1/2 (F***1/2) (1) - breeder - seedbank
Seedbank.co.uk 2 star and 1/2 (**1/2)
Tambu 3 star (S***) (1,3)

http://www.seedbankupdate.com/su.html

You may have noticed that Dr. Greenthumb DOES NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST RATING of the various seedbanks/seedbank-breeders listed and certainly NOT THE HIGHEST RATING Greenman will give, which is a full 5 stars.

 

[WoodyHaze]

Sorry if i bothered you.

nope, i said that as a commentary about this whole thread. anyone that would buy 67.00 seeds has to be a serious grower and be comfortable that it's the real G13. but seriously you guys are beating a dead horse. like i said 'who gives a f#ck anymore'?

 

[Brick Top]

nope, i said that as a commentary about this whole thread. anyone that would buy 67.00 seeds has to be a serious grower and be comfortable that it's the real G13.

If a strain is truly high quality, and a I am not directly or solely commenting on the G13 in question but it would of course be included in what I am saying, but if a strain is truly high quality and someone finds a quality mother plant or two $67.00 per seed is really not all that terrible if someone is a medicinal user and the strain helps them or if they are a care giver and the strain helps those they grow for, or for that fact, if someone is a for profit grower. If they are capable of keeping/maintaining their mother(s) for a good while then the cost will more than balance out in relation to what they end up from it over time. But if someone is just growing from seed and not keeping mothers then that is a rather high price per seed to pay. If someone can afford it, and if a strain is truly high quality, then what the heck, buy it.

The biggest question about Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is that his justification for his pricing is that it is the original "pure G13" and that is exceedingly questionable and unimaginably doubtful and with that being the case his justification loses it's validity.

 

[bajafox]

If Nevil and Shanti say it doesn't exist then it doesn't exist and Dr. Greenthumb is lying. Everything else is just hearsay....

 

[WoodyHaze]

..............as i said.........who gives a f#ck

 

[fletchman]

If Nevil and Shanti say it doesn't exist then it doesn't exist and Dr. Greenthumb is lying. Everything else is just hearsay....

Does Nevil and Shanti think they're GOD? You do realize many people other than Nevil had the same G13 cut? Who do you think Nevil got it from?

Nevil said he bought the G13 cut in Oregon for $500, so that tells me there were many growers in Oregon and God only knows where else, that had exactly what Nevil purchased.

There may have been hundreds, maybe thousands, of G13 cuts passed around back when Nevil bought it.

Bottom line, Nevil wasn't the "ONLY" guy in town with that cut, LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Same with Northern Lights, Nevil got it from SOMEONE ELSE!!!!

What made Nevil famous is he traveled the world and got seed and clones from "OTHER" people, then he bred his strains.