Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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i said i liked the idea, better than electing lawyers and oil tycoonists as presidents, id love a humanist president.
The Truth About Ron Paul
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budlover13
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Sarcasm is cool, but gotta use the right smilies or state it somehow so that it is extremely clear that you are being sarcastic. (Like a disclamer) LOL!Ok I get it now, OMGWTFBBQ writes a lot of sarcastic post, why do you use sarcasim in text chat? It doesnt translate properly you just confuse people dude.
sync0s
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Did you really say you believe that the American government should have the right to just step right in to a privately owned corporation (or even publicly falls into this, because either way the government doesn't own it) force the owners and CEOs to leave and break up and sell a company in bits and pieces? To the contrary, I always had the understanding that large corporations did this to other competitor corporations to cause the competitor to collapse thus further perpetuating a monopoly.. Comments like these make it apparent who the supporters of the Constitution are or at the very least the people who don't understand it.
What if you owned a corporation with one other competitor (Kind of a Microsoft and Apple story) and because the CEO of your competitor was in cahoots with the President or VP, you don't think the government could come up with a reason to explain to the people why you were failing to run the business properly, take it over, kick you to the curb, and part your company off (possibly selling the most exclusive portions to your competitor) and pocketing profits. Or do you believe that politicians aren't that corrupt (Pres Nixon).
We also don't really truly know what the bailouts did for our economy. For all we know in the long run it could have hurt us in much worse ways.
Timmahh
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oh it did hurt us. much worse.
it set a precident, that if your corrupt, and build a huge business worth billions, steal from it till its bankrupt and ready to close the doors, but instead whine to a liberal government, you can get free money from the taxpayers, and start it all over, but this time, you dont have to build the business, just start stealing right away in froms of HUGE MONETARY BONUSES for CEOs/CFO and Board members of companies, that told you to invest in this stock and that stock all the time taking the money out in the form of Bonuses and Tax breaks.
Ya, the government of today knows best. Best how to fuck you out of your freedom and money, and liberties. the same government thats being run now by the very same mutherfuckers that were running the same businesses, 20 yrs ago, that were being bailed out now.
Interesting fact barely ever mentioned by anyone.
thus goes the capitolist or otherwise known as the finiancially socialist society we live in today. that was built by the rockefellers and Hoovers of the world.
ive said it before and i ll say it again. OPEN YOUR EYES?
while the right wing has everyone worried about Obama Spreading the wealth from the Middle class to the poor, the left wing is saying the right wing are the lunatic fringe, all the while our Corporal Goverment is completing its agenda of indeed, wealth re - distrobution.
but you dont have to look really fucking close to see, its not the poor who are getting richer today.
all i can say is open your eyes people. we are still getting the reach around from uncle sam, but its merely the distraction for the raping we are taking.
yes, we are seeing wealth re distrobution. its going from everyone below the top 2% of wealth holders, To the top 2% of wealth holders. DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE DISTRACTED FROM THE REALILTY of the situation. Take a look around. You see any one that is on welfare living on redeo drive, and rolling in a Merc? let alone a homeless family that skis in switzerland year round when they are not in aruba on the 50 mile private beach their family has owned for 150 years or more?
it set a precident, that if your corrupt, and build a huge business worth billions, steal from it till its bankrupt and ready to close the doors, but instead whine to a liberal government, you can get free money from the taxpayers, and start it all over, but this time, you dont have to build the business, just start stealing right away in froms of HUGE MONETARY BONUSES for CEOs/CFO and Board members of companies, that told you to invest in this stock and that stock all the time taking the money out in the form of Bonuses and Tax breaks.
Ya, the government of today knows best. Best how to fuck you out of your freedom and money, and liberties. the same government thats being run now by the very same mutherfuckers that were running the same businesses, 20 yrs ago, that were being bailed out now.
Interesting fact barely ever mentioned by anyone.
thus goes the capitolist or otherwise known as the finiancially socialist society we live in today. that was built by the rockefellers and Hoovers of the world.
ive said it before and i ll say it again. OPEN YOUR EYES?
while the right wing has everyone worried about Obama Spreading the wealth from the Middle class to the poor, the left wing is saying the right wing are the lunatic fringe, all the while our Corporal Goverment is completing its agenda of indeed, wealth re - distrobution.
but you dont have to look really fucking close to see, its not the poor who are getting richer today.
all i can say is open your eyes people. we are still getting the reach around from uncle sam, but its merely the distraction for the raping we are taking.
yes, we are seeing wealth re distrobution. its going from everyone below the top 2% of wealth holders, To the top 2% of wealth holders. DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE DISTRACTED FROM THE REALILTY of the situation. Take a look around. You see any one that is on welfare living on redeo drive, and rolling in a Merc? let alone a homeless family that skis in switzerland year round when they are not in aruba on the 50 mile private beach their family has owned for 150 years or more?
Dan Kone
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Absolutely. That is exactly what I think should have happened. If a company is too big to fail, then it is too big to exist.
These financial institutions were so big and had their hands in so many elements of the economy, that if they failed, they'd jeopardize the stability of the country. They should have never been allowed to get that big in the first place, but since they are, yes, they should have been seized, dismantled, and sold off. The CEO should lose his right to have a say when his stock price hit zero and the company went under.
That is 100000x better solution than just letting these companies fail and our economy along with it.
lol. The constitution permits the government to take actions in the name of national security.
I'm not talking about healthy normal corporations that are competing in the market. I'm talking about huge financial enterprises who's stock had hit or was about to hit zero and that company failing endangered the stability of the country. Not the government randomly taking over companies because it felt like it.
We know they stopped most of the major financial institutions in the country from going bankrupt. It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest there is even a possibility we would have been better off if that happened.
sync0s
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Where???????? Please prove this to me and I will never argue with you again. I want references DIRECTLY to the Constitution and not the constitution of Paraguay either (if there is one).
Yes, I understand you are also talking about business that are failing, but if you give the government the right to do this to a failing corporation, what stops them from expanding these limits? This is my point. In the beginning, if I own a business the government is not touching a god damn thing. Bottom line. This kind of ideals would absolutely disgust the founding fathers.
Additionally, the phrase "National Security" can be used to say that a child wearing a shirt that says "Legalize Marijuana" in their own neighborhood could be dealt with however the federal government deemed necessary because the message threatened their anti-drug campaign that is being used to stop the flow of drugs from dealers that support terrorists. National security my ass, the founding fathers said they do not believe in giving ANY rights up for ANY security what so ever. You are thinking of the god damn Patriot Act.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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I wasnt being sarcastic, why would i want to elect a lawyer, thats a conflict of interest, i would rather elect professors with academic achievements if given the choice between the two. i don't think Ron is a humanist though but h seems smart enough, i just cant shake the idea there's something off about his rhetoric. politics aside. i want to see more debates, if presidents held debates more often they wouldnt have this media whoring at the end of their terms whenever re-election is around the corner, we would have a comfortable understanding of future endeavors and its easier on the voters. dont get me wrong, i know speaches sound nice, and they can be just as insincere as a debate and just as predetermined, but i think that is still a safer venue for speech.
You are not alone on your opinion of Ron Paul. We have been taught to have leaders that look like leaders. Charismatic people like Kennedy or Obama. Tough people, rough and ready Teddy and Reagan. Ron Paul doesn't look the part.
Ron Paul at times will give an answer that only people who follow him will really understand where he's coming from as they know his foundation. You can't get him from a sound bite. I think he's very tough. Check out some of the 2008 republican debate clips. He handled himself well.
I doubt anyone in Congress is more principled and consistent as he is. Look at how he runs his Congressional office. As far back as I can remember he has been under budget and sends money back.
Dan Kone
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Congress has the power to provide for the general welfare. Stopping our country from collapsing falls into that category.
Guess what? It's not 1776. Things change. These types of businesses that have the ability to crash our entire national economy didn't exist then. Time to stop pretending everything needs to stay exactly as it was in the 18th century.
So you're saying the government should never act in the interest of national security because it's a slippery slope to snatching up children off the streets? GTFO
Who's rights exactly? The rights of a company that has already gone bankrupt? You want to let that company fail our economy along with it, eliminating it from existence. You're talking about the rights of a business owner to crash the American economy. The ability to crash our economy is not an essential liberty.
olylifter420
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this is due to the fact that he is black and Ron Paul is white... Come on, you should know this tactic already after odumbass's campaign!!!!
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medicineman
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If, Ron Paul = the Ryan budget plan, he may as well go home. Republicans that hinge their platform on the kill medicare bill are commiting political suicide, and thank God, most of them are. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a mass exodus from the Ryan bill around May-June next year.The lesson: don't fuck with seniors, they vote. If Republicans can't see the public is just flat fed up with their libertarian Ideas, they are in for a real surprise at the polls come next november (2012). America is about US, all of us, not just the top 10%. The people are waking up to the selfish aspirations of republican politicians and their rich buddies, I think we'll see a real turnaround in 2012. Power to the people.
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No, I opted to keep my parts and try chemo and radiation first. I start next week, 65% success rate. I'll be checkin in once in a while. Thanks for caring.
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