Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

NightbirdX

NightbirdX

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So.... I GOT A CAMERA! Lol, I'll be starting up some stuff soon for you guys to see what I've been up to and bugging you all with questions, :P I have had a busy busy week. Girl drama, a wedding in which I went to alone because of the girl drama, a fun filled night of drunken revelry and memory rehash with a bunch of Marine buddies. I did convince my buddies to chop 3 of my plants while I was gone, and I finished the night tonight by taking down a Free Leonard (Butterscotch Hawaiian x G13,) and the first batch of Jack Herer I started from seed. Everything looked really really good. Trim is loaded up for hash and buds are on the racks. Back to another fun filled week. :)

I must again say thank you to all of you guys who have helped me and let me bounce ideas off of you. My quality and yields are constantly improving. My first batch was averaging 1.875 oz, my second set of plants averaged 2oz a plant, and I'm looking to hopefully get 3oz/plant from the Jacks and GDP. I may even get 4 from my Free Leonards. It is great to see that all the hard work, studying, reading, and early onset of gray hair is finally paying off.

I will have to take a picture of my drying rack to show you guys my comparison. I had 2 GDP one I grew with Fox Farm, and the other I used my BioCanna lineup. Both turned out good, but the BioCanna is hands down higher yielding, more resinous, stinkier, and a LOT more purple. The Fox Farm plant was a very very dark purple almost looking green, but the BioCanna plant is almost magenta, looking a lot like classic pics of Purple Haze. Needless to say I convince the person that I answer to that we need to be running my lineup over what he wanted me to use. After tonight and trimming up my plants, seeing the difference, he asked me why I didn't do it months ago, lol.
 
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beeznutz

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just wanna post this out ...... at some point i was doing a search for pk boost and stumbled on this forum
where somebody was saying how enzyme products like Hygrozyme are made out of chicken poop so i contacted Hygrozyme, just in case,
and they did reassure me their product it is indeed 100% vegan.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Here's what I've been up to. My articles are being published now. My most recent:
http://medicalmarijuana.com/experts/expert/title.cfm?artID=109


Redefining the Root-Soil Food Web for Indoors
Published by Matt Rize for medicalmarijuana.com
Redefining the Soil Food Web for Indoors by Matt Rize

The complex relationship between plants and soil is called the soil food web. This describes the connection between roots, soil, and soil organisms. In the past 15 years this topic has been the center of attention for organic gardeners, thanks in large part to Teaming With Microbes by Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis.

Plants produce sugars (carbohydrates) and proteins via photosynthesis, a well known process. Lesser known is that these photosynthetic products are then exuded into the soil, via the root system, to encourage beneficial bacteria and/or fungi. The bacteria and fungi feed larger soil organisms. It is the poop from these larger organisms that feed our plants. This is organic soil gardening at is core.

Soil organisms include (from tiny to small): bacteria, fungi, algae, slime molds, protozoa, nematodes, arthropods, gastropods, worms, and insects. These, and many unlisted organisms, are partially responsible for decomposition/aeration of soil. Decomposed soil releases nutrients, which are then used by plant's roots for nutrition. Aeration of soil is a major issue, and has led to many growing with soil-less organic media. Peat/coco/bark, the organic soil-less grow medias, are much more airy than traditional soil.

But soil organisms are not the only ones decomposition and improving soil structure. Plants decompose soil chemically by exuding organic acids, ie citric acid, via their roots system. This is how plants actively take nutrition from soil. Plants also alter soil pH to their liking with these same exudates. Plants, like soil organisms, aerate soil via growing and moving root systems. Plants do exert a level of control over the rhizosphere.

Taken indoors the root soil food web is different. Indoor container growing is done without the larger soil decomposers, worms and insects. Bagged potting mixes may be void of other crucial soil organisms due to processing and/or sterilization. This means indoor potting soil won't be continuously aerated by worm and insect tunneling. This lack of large decomposers has led to indoor growing being based on mostly lighter (more air) and less nutritionally balanced soil-less organic media instead of actual soil. Familiar examples of soil-less organic media again are: peat, coco, and bark.

Soil-less organic potting mixes made from peat/coco/bark need food supplementation, as these mixes do not provide complete plant nutrition, especially in high yield environments. Normally, in the outdoor soil food web, worms help to feed the plants. But indoors we have to do the worm's job, so we add bottled and dry nutrients to our indoor food web. Indoors we use a root-soil-nutrient food web instead of a root-soil food web.

The constant addition of vermi-compost (EWC) by worms does not apply indoors, and this plant nutrient source must be replaced for high yield indoor organics. The bottled and dry nutrients replace the worm's decomposition of soil. The switch from soil to soil-less organic (peat, coco, bark), due to soil-less' airy structure, means most of the nutrients that plants use must be added by the gardener. The dry and bottled nutes that we water in are eaten by the bacteria and fungi, which are eaten by nematodes and protozoa, who poop plant food. The root-soil-nutrient food web. Rize UP!
 
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SlightlyVaped

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For those looking for a Bio Terra Plus replacement, below is a reply I received from the Canna support team (my original question was regarding mixing Canna Coco and FF Happy Frog):

"We are steadily working to get the BTP back into the market here.

Meanwhile, you can mix the two, but I would mix it no more than 30% coco. Also, you will have to pay attention to 3 issues over time.

The first is the pH control. While it will work out initially, it will play into lower values. It would be good to keep the pH of the solution (yes you can adjust Bio pH) somewhere around 6.0 and allow the medium to play it.

Next will be overall Nitrogen. I do not think this will be a concern with the Happy Frog, but the pH balance will decide this question.

The last issue you might face is Calcium. Happy Frog has less long term lime than Ocean Forest, which has too much. It is also a pH question but you can use a Cal Mag to overcome since it is really hard to get it right from the beginning without a lab.

I think you have a good a chance with this mix as others. I have done research with good results blending Ocean Forest with Pro Mix BX at 50/50. Happy Frog was not as successful."
 
R3DROCk9

R3DROCk9

Active Member
hey all....im bacc....nightburd owes mHe a smokeout for helpin him and his deficiencies....and, honestly, i dont kno how the hell he gotta collective not knowing how to grow....bu its all gravy....GO NIGHTBURD!!!!!!!!!! i'm the man.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
ClamDigger said:
Now that's educational!
:P
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My flower room journal for today, about 2 weeks into flower:
H2O start: 160 ppm 8.6 pH.
10 mL/gallon Vega
2mL/gallon Flores
15 mL/gallon BioBoost
5 mL/gallon Cal Mag (GO)
1ml/gallon Pro TeKt silica
3mL/gallon Hygrozyme
tbsp of BioAg Seaweed w. micros
couple mL of yucca juice
----> 886 ppm 6.5 pH


What about that article I posted? feedback! RP smoke where you at? The root-soil-nutrient food web? aka microbial nutrient cycling.

Next watering:

My flower room journal for today, about 3 weeks into flower:
H2O start: 160 ppm 8.6 pH.
18 mL/gallon Vega
6mL/gallon Flores
10 mL/gallon BioBoost
5 mL/gallon Cal Mag (GO)
1ml/gallon Pro TeKt silica
3mL/gallon Hygrozyme
tbsp of BioAg Seaweed w. micros
couple mL of yucca juice
30 mL ful-power
----> 890ppm 6.5 pH
 
Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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The constant addition of vermi-compost (EWC) by worms does not apply indoors, and this plant nutrient source must be replaced for high yield indoor organics. The bottled and dry nutrients replace the worm's decomposition of soil. The switch from soil to soil-less organic (peat, coco, bark), due to soil-less' airy structure, means most of the nutrients that plants use must be added by the gardener. The dry and bottled nutes that we water in are eaten by the bacteria and fungi, which are eaten by nematodes and protozoa, who poop plant food. The root-soil-nutrient food web. Rize UP!

I am confused.. I use EWC indoors. Anyway since We dont have worms and stuff indoors, then wouldnt the addition of compost tea help to bring out bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and nematods?
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Da Almighty Jew said:
The constant addition of vermi-compost (EWC) by worms does not apply indoors, and this plant nutrient source must be replaced for high yield indoor organics. The bottled and dry nutrients replace the worm's decomposition of soil. The switch from soil to soil-less organic (peat, coco, bark), due to soil-less' airy structure, means most of the nutrients that plants use must be added by the gardener. The dry and bottled nutes that we water in are eaten by the bacteria and fungi, which are eaten by nematodes and protozoa, who poop plant food. The root-soil-nutrient food web. Rize UP!

I am confused.. I use EWC indoors. Anyway since We dont have worms and stuff indoors, then wouldnt the addition of compost tea help to bring out bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and nematods?
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I'm trying to say that without worms actively decomposing we are missing out. Adding EWC is to compensate, but I feel the benefits run out before harvest.
 
Da Almighty Jew

Da Almighty Jew

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What about the benefits of using a compost tea with organic/veganic soil? doesn't that kinda create the same decomposing similarites of earth worms?

Specific compost, being actively aerated should bring out all types of good nematods, protozoa, bacteria, fungi.

Then we go back to the foodweb Bacteria, Fungi - Protozoa - nematods - microarthropods - arthropods -worms - other predators

So wouldn't compost tea somewhat duplicate the worms(which are actively decomposing)? :joint::mrgreen:
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Da Almighty Jew said:
What about the benefits of using a compost tea with organic/veganic soil? doesn't that kinda create the same decomposing similarites of earth worms?

Specific compost, being actively aerated should bring out all types of good nematods, protozoa, bacteria, fungi.

Then we go back to the foodweb Bacteria, Fungi - Protozoa - nematods - microarthropods - arthropods -worms - other predators

So wouldn't compost tea somewhat duplicate the worms(which are actively decomposing)? :joint::mrgreen:
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According to one of my gurus, Tim Wilson of www.microbeorganics.com, the short answer is no. The microbial life (no matter how thriving) will not compensate for the nutrients released by the larger decomposers (this includes insects). Roots decompose soil with exudates, smaller microbe do as well. But large decomposers (it's in their name) do the majority of decomposition, which leads to bioavailable nutes.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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Matt Rize said:
According to one of my gurus, Tim Wilson of www.microbeorganics.com, the short answer is no. The microbial life (no matter how thriving) will not compensate for the nutrients released by the larger decomposers (this includes insects). Roots decompose soil with exudates, smaller microbe do as well. But large decomposers (it's in their name) do the majority of decomposition, which leads to bioavailable nutes.
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But if you're using castings as one of your base ingredients of your tea, why would that not provide the same benefit (short of actual aeration of the soil)?
 
NightbirdX

NightbirdX

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So ya, I just took out some Jack Herer that I cut 2 weeks ago and has been in a jar curing for a week.

I had cleaned my old faithful bong, my version of Matt's "Chalice" except this one started life as a fifth of Jack Daniels Single Barrel Select and the bottle was recycled by some friends who turn interesting liquor bottles into table top bongs. It has been refitted and renovated a couple of times. I just had a neck extension put in since it is a short bottle and got a bigger bowl and a fluted stem for maximum smoke to bubbles ratio, lol

The results are in... I love it. 2 rips off the bong and i'm damn near hallucinating. No burn or cough. Just a little after the second rip, but I damn near snapped the bowl and it was just a little small *cough *cough. I'm a choker. I'll hack for 30 mins if I take a monster rip. No burn at all. I am amazed.

I'll quit rambling on in my semi lucid highness. Just thought I would share. -Bird
 
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