Super Lemon Haze - DWC vs Coco, lucas formula vs lucus formula plus additives

matatan

matatan

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this is whats happening, been doing alot of research on coco grows and the lucas formula
http://thelucasformula.com/
and im completely torn as to what to feed, which way is better, better bang for buck
SOOOO i will be cutting 4-6 clones of this ladyP1000335.jpgP1000336.jpg
that i just topped at 14-18 days, around there, i forgot exactly what day i topped sorry..
plan is to let her grow out to take 4-6 cuttings, take the the best 4 out of the bunch, 2 will go dwc= 1 lucas formula, 1 lucas formula plus additives, 2 will go in coco= 1 lucas formula, 1 lucas formula plus additives.
to make this easier i will be labeling 'LF' as just the lucas formula
and 'ADD' as the lucas formula plus the additives


DWC (2)
5 gallon buckets with 6in netpot lid
2 airstones in each bucket

dwcLF - GH micro/bloom @ 8ml/16ml, floralicious plus, Hygrozyme, and Great White
dwcADD - same as above with the addition of Florablend, Liquid/dry kool bloom



COCO (2)
3gallon pots
Roots Organic Coco Coir (wanted to get canna coco pro but my local hydro shop doesnt carry it and shipping is absolutely ridiculous to east coast usa)

cocoLF - GH micro/bloom @ 6ml/9ml, 1 gram of epson salt, floralicous plus, Hygrozyme and Great White
cocoADD - same as above with the addition of Florablend, Liquid/dry kool bloom

all will share the same light 600w hps.
im doing this
1. to see if the lucas formula works, i could potentially save a shitload of money
2. see how coco grows out compared to dwc. not just in size of the plant and buds and rate of growth but in flavor and high of smoke also

thats about it i believe.
anyone have questions, ask away!
anyone see something i shouldnt be doing or has a better suggestion to do this battle royale better TELL ME!!! please share your wisdom, i only have 8 months growing and i am FAAAR from a pro. im not even in the triple A... id say im in still in high school lol.

so yea any input let me know, i have awhile before this actually starts as i still need to take the cuttings and the plant is like a month away from that.bongsmilie:mrgreen:
 
littlegrower2004

littlegrower2004

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i got a front row seat, ill get it on the front right now, haha ill get some cash later hah! sounds like a good plan, i got the DWC for better and faster growth but coco for final product. i use the lucas formula for coco, its really the H3AD formula but AKA lucas formula for coco. ive had good results from it and it is much cheaper than most nute regimens when done without additives. i personally add Bloombastic to the formula which makes it real pricey since that shit is one of the most expensive bloom boosters on the market. im not sure if you read through the GratefulH3ad thread over at icmag but it is a real good read with everthing about lucas formula for coco. He is the guy who came up with tayloring lucas formula from a promix solution to a coco solution. further in the thread he believes that the epsoms can be reduced or dropped out completely with low to no bad effects. as well once bud formation has reached its peak, i think he said around 2/3 flower then you should drop the micro as it stays in the coco longer and needs time to be washed out. when you do this you can also up the bloom from 9ml to 12ml for a week or so and eventually come back down to 9ml. then around 1.5 weeks you can go straight water for a flush. the bad part in my mind is that we have always learned that plants in veg and flower need different nute solutions to achieve the best growth and therefore it seems like the lucas formula is missing something since it is the same for both veg and flower. the plants stay green and healthy IMO just have a bit more stretch to them in veg with longer gaps between the nodes. hope this info is useful!
 
matatan

matatan

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THCHead.25 said:
Nice grow .. Keep it up .. Strain ? Lights for veg / bloom ?? - thchead
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lol, the title, SUPER LEMON HAZE is the strain. for veg i will be using cfls, right now 4 26 watt and as she grows ill be adding more, and in flower 600w hps

littlegrower2004 said:
i got a front row seat, ill get it on the front right now, haha ill get some cash later hah! sounds like a good plan, i got the DWC for better and faster growth but coco for final product. i use the lucas formula for coco, its really the H3AD formula but AKA lucas formula for coco. ive had good results from it and it is much cheaper than most nute regimens when done without additives. i personally add Bloombastic to the formula which makes it real pricey since that shit is one of the most expensive bloom boosters on the market. im not sure if you read through the GratefulH3ad thread over at icmag but it is a real good read with everthing about lucas formula for coco. He is the guy who came up with tayloring lucas formula from a promix solution to a coco solution. further in the thread he believes that the epsoms can be reduced or dropped out completely with low to no bad effects. as well once bud formation has reached its peak, i think he said around 2/3 flower then you should drop the micro as it stays in the coco longer and needs time to be washed out. when you do this you can also up the bloom from 9ml to 12ml for a week or so and eventually come back down to 9ml. then around 1.5 weeks you can go straight water for a flush. the bad part in my mind is that we have always learned that plants in veg and flower need different nute solutions to achieve the best growth and therefore it seems like the lucas formula is missing something since it is the same for both veg and flower. the plants stay green and healthy IMO just have a bit more stretch to them in veg with longer gaps between the nodes. hope this info is useful!
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yea man i read most of that thread, and thats where i got the variation for coco formula. the epson is really cheap, like 1.50 so its not a big deal, i will follow h3ads/lucas schedule as much as i can. i will adding bushmaster in transition week hopefully that will keep the gaps tight. well tighter than usual anyway, this will be done with a sativa. this will be my first time running with the lucas formula and from i read its really effective without a drop in production. i gotta see if its true! no other way but to try it out myself :mrgreen:

bacdafucup said:
Ill be watching, very interested in coco vs DWC.
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welcome!
 
grannybonger

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Talk about needing a PHD in biology. So im experimenting with this stuff and just a mini dwc with perlite instead of coir. Started from seed in dirt to 6wks then to net pots inside another pot. Well, their still alive and 'slowly' growing. My nutes? 20/20/20 reg strength.

This does not work, the perlite holds way too much moisture, and standard nutes. There's no way im going back to university for this stuff and im also on a students income so expensive nutes is out of the question. The ph, humidity, nutes temp and on and on are constantly changing, that's also a full time job, almost.

Just to let people know you can't go half-way with this stuff, it's quite endless, it's go back to school, all or nothing.

Sorry, it's only me. I'll be following though. Maybe I just need some molasses.
 
matatan

matatan

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grannybonger said:
Talk about needing a PHD in biology. So im experimenting with this stuff and just a mini dwc with perlite instead of coir. Started from seed in dirt to 6wks then to net pots inside another pot. Well, their still alive and 'slowly' growing. My nutes? 20/20/20 reg strength.

This does not work, the perlite holds way too much moisture, and standard nutes. There's no way im going back to university for this stuff and im also on a students income so expensive nutes is out of the question. The ph, humidity, nutes temp and on and on are constantly changing, that's also a full time job, almost.

Just to let people know you can't go half-way with this stuff, it's quite endless, it's go back to school, all or nothing.

Sorry, it's only me. I'll be following though. Maybe I just need some molasses.
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seriously though.... i have learned SOOOOO much about this trade/hobby/business/field in less than a year just of the internet. everyday i come on here and other sites and just search whatever it is im having trouble with. after a couple different finds youll weed out the bullshit answers and with that inquired knowledge you can ask the right person a more detailed question to your specific need. repeat and repeat. i mean thats what iv been doing. i cant afford another student fucking loan.
again im far from an expert but i am an expert compared to what i knew 8 months ago, that was absolutely NOTHING. ph? ppm/ec? lighting? nutes? sativa/indica? hydroponics? soil? humidity? all was foreign language to me.
so yea all im trying to say is dont necessarily NEED a PHD in biology, would it be useful? absofuckinglutly! but if its money and time issue id say experiment with what you have and use the internet. then as your money and time situation gets better dive into school. thats what i plan on, taking a few classes at my local community college for botany.

rambled alot there.... lol
neways welcome! nothing much has changed shoots are coming up but nowhere near the length needed for a cutting.
 
grannybonger

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Thanks for the encouraging words. So your using coco but in what? You got a net pot or regular?

So your nutes is what i'll be paying attension to. I got one young plant in 50/50 coco coir and miracle-gro just over 2mos and looks like it's going to be a beast, If it turns out male i'll be choked. I've been feeding a very diluted portion of 20/20/20.

My perlite set-up is in a net pot. So perlite and coco are very close in holding water, so i'll be watchin.
 
matatan

matatan

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pure coco in 3 gallon pots. feeding will be very simple 0-5-10 under cfls and 0-8-16 under hps
 
kriznarf

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Looking great. Along for the ride. Would love to try the Super Lemon Haze myself, but I'm still not sure I have the space for a sativa. Had some roll my way about a month ago. It was awesome stuff.
 
matatan

matatan

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kriznarf said:
Looking great. Along for the ride. Would love to try the Super Lemon Haze myself, but I'm still not sure I have the space for a sativa. Had some roll my way about a month ago. It was awesome stuff.
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i dont have much ceiling space neither, 6ft total, i will lst and top and supercrop if i have to. also clones will only get 1-2 weeks of veg.

grannybonger said:
Which one is that? You say you got a coco-coir going too. I see some hoses so this must be the DWC.
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yea this is the mom that i will take clones off of to do the dwc vs coco. i didnt want to start from seed for all 4, different phenos wouldv impacted the results. so to make it as fair as possible all 4 will be the same plant. thats the mommy:bigjoint:
 
kriznarf

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Matatan, you have any thoughts on Super Lemon Haze for a waterfarm/scrog grow? 400w HPS, 3'x3' tent, about 5'10" high. I'm worried about space and height, but really want to try growing a sativa.
 
matatan

matatan

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dayzt is doing that exact or very similar setup with tangerines dream, a sativa, and his plant has stretched like a motherfucker lol but he got it under control. id say carbon copy what he is doing or your version of it with your resources and you should be golden.
 
littlegrower2004

littlegrower2004

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kriz- not sure what a water farm is but as long as you set up the screen at a right height and control the stretch with the screen then im sure you could do it with that height. should look up integras grow, he did massive scrog in hydro in about a 4 ft tall space.

heres the link to his thread- https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/221184-balls-out-first-grow-whie.html

its not active as he was visited by the po po and had to cease all operations
 
kriznarf

kriznarf

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matatan said:
dayzt is doing that exact or very similar setup with tangerines dream, a sativa, and his plant has stretched like a motherfucker lol but he got it under control. id say carbon copy what he is doing or your version of it with your resources and you should be golden.
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Ha, yeah, I'm all over Dayzt's grow. Great show. Read through the famed SCOTTYBALLS journal a while back, then ottermunky's Kandy Kush grow, etc. I'm pretty excited and prepped to make a go with the waterfarm/scrog. I guess I was more curious as to if you had grown the Super Lemon Haze before and how it might compare to something like the Tangerine Dream. My tent is smaller than Dayzt's. I believe Dayzt's tent is 4'x4', where mine is a 3'x3'. Dayzt has a bit more height to work with as well. I swear that I've been pondering which strain to grow with next and I change my damn mind every day. There is something quite appealing about a sativa dominant strain. Oh, and I had an ounce of Super Lemon Haze about six months ago and it was some of the best herb I'd had in a while.
 
matatan

matatan

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this is my 2nd grow. 1st sativa. lol so nah i havent grew slh before. im learning as i go, you will see my mistakes and see my skillzzzzzzzz lol.
yea i heard slh is some potent bangin smoke.:leaf::clap: which is why i picked it up. :-P

im thinking Wednesday will be cut day, i setup my cfls farther away to get the plant to stretch a bit more. the branches have enough nodes but there to tight together.... wish i had this issue in flower lol. pics tomorrow before and after cut. stay tuned
 
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