tet1953
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When it comes to republicans and tea partiers, I think that what's best for themselves even comes second. What comes first is whatever hurts democrats most.
Wow. This Whole Debt Ceiling Thing Is BS
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Dan Kone
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Under the assumption that is true, the interests of Obama and our economy are one in the same since the better the economy is doing, the more likely he will get reelected. The opposite is true for republicans. The worse the economy, the greater their odds of taking the whitehouse. Because of this republicans are pushing for measures they know will stagnate or harm the economy, like spending cuts.
Don't worry, they will vote a new ceiling in at the last moment and in great style and both sides will take the accolades for getting it through. And then a small child will get trapped in a well and we will forget all about this deficit and budget crap.
Mr Neutron
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Mr Neutron
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You've seen this before, haven't you?
Johnnyorganic
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The country is hurting now.
Perhaps the Rs have been convinced that Obama/the Democraps should not be permitted to spend the U.S. into bankruptcy.
That's the fuck what.
UncleBuck
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no, this cup of noodles i am eating is the fuck what.
also, we are broke, it is solely a spending problem with no corresponding revenue problem, and mitch mcconnell never said this:
[video=youtube;W-A09a_gHJc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc[/video]
did you catch where they mentioned job creation, spending cuts, and whatnot?
i'm glad they are hard at work outlawing abortions. just what the doctor ordered!
Johnnyorganic
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Without any context, one might conclude the Senator seems like a BAD man!
Not in one eight second snippet.
But those things WERE mentioned in the speech.
So for the purposes of context and in the interests of full disclosure; I present the November 4, 2010, speech in its entirely.
[video=youtube;xWnzqzALGIk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWnzqzALGIk&feature=player_embedded[/video]
Was abortion mentioned in the entire speech? No.
The Republicans outlawed Abortion?
Oh, that's right. They did not even try.
A woman's right to choose (to kill her unborn children) is not going anywhere.
The only real threat resides in the minds of extremists on both sides: The extremists on the Right; and the extremists on the Left who over-estimate the threat from the Right.
In fact, the R's were not even successful in curtailing funding to Planned Parenthood.
So save the scare tactics for the Lefty echo chambers.
Because that's the only place you will get any traction.
Dan Kone
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We are in much greater immediate danger of cutting our way into a depression at the moment.
What's the practical difference between the debt we had under Bush and the debt we have under Obama. Name the real consequences we've experienced. I can't think of any immediate severe consequences.
If we keep cutting there will most definitely be real and immediate consequences. Unemployment will go up and we risk a depression. With that unemployment going up we will experience a decrease in revenue generated, causing greater deficits. The idea that we can cut spending right now and balance the budget is laughable.
The best way to return to a balanced budget is to stimulate the economy until the unemployment problem is taken care of. Then we will generate more revenue and if we want to cut spending then we can without risking a depression.
The idea that we should cut spending right now when it's more likely to back fire and cause a depression is nuts. We aren't facing an eminent debt problem. There are no immediate consequences that come with the debt right now. We need to look at it as a long term problem, the short term problem is fixing the economy and unemployment.
UncleBuck
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he does seem like a bad man, even in the greater context.
i slipped in a more succinct version of what the senator said.
more bills and restrictions on abortion than ever, yet they "didn't even try".
i don't think they were voted into office to set a record on legislation that restricts a woman's right to do with her body what she may.
in fact, i recall a lot of tea partiers MINIMIZING the importance of social issues like that during the last election.
you are right, it took the courts to step in and issue injunctions on legislation successfully passed by elephants with their trunks lodged deep within each others' sphincters
in your state, restrictive measures were passed on abortion.
see rick perry's mandatory sonogram bill.
you keep inching closer, inching closer.
if we give you guys an inch, you'll take a mile.
keep in mind, when i say "you guys" i am not talking about you, specifically.
i am talking about the wingnuts you rooted for in 2010 who are trying to outlaw abortion through the backdoor. they have already managed, through BURDENSOME REGULATION (i thought you hated that stuff?) to shut down abortion clinics from denver, co clear out to columbia, mo.
that means if you live in kansas and need an abortion, you have a 10 or so hour drive in store.
Mr Neutron
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Wasn't that tried already?
tet1953
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It wasn't enough, and was never fully implemented even at the rate that was approved. Stimulation, cutting, more revenue and ending the wars...all of this is necessary. And it isn't going to happen. It won't happen because politics and ideaology will prevent it. The situation is no longer fixable, in my opinion. We are doomed.
Mr Neutron
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It never is, that is why we are where we are.
Luger187
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yeah in at least one state(dont remember which), you have to drive many hours to see the only abortion dr in the state, who only comes one day a week. then they send u to another place to get put down for wanting an abortion. then u go home and contemplate the situation for another week, until the dr comes back. then you drive many more hours to the dr again. shouldnt it be a lot simpler than that? it puts unnecessary stress on everyone, just so religious nuts can sleep at night
Dan Kone
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Wasn't big enough. Half of that money went to tax cuts when it should have gone to infrastructure projects.
Dan Kone
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I agree. We have half of congress actively trying to sabotage the economy and a president who desires compromise with them above all other things. That's a recipe for disaster.
sync0s
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Here is a solution that will make every side happy:
Expenditures Approach:
The total spending on all final goods and services (Consumption goods and services (C) + Gross Investments (I) + Government Purchases (G) + (Exports (X) - Imports (M))
C = legalization of marijuana/hemp (increase likely)
I = provide subsidies or tax breaks for hemp production and hemp biodiesel production (increase)
G = end all wars, especially the war on drugs (decrease)
X = combination of legalization and subsidies or tax breaks for marijuana, hemp, and biodiesel production (increase)
M = although I could argue political ideals to change this, for this we will leave it (unchanged)
There positive GDP movement and decreased government spending that should make everyone happy, right?
Expenditures Approach:
The total spending on all final goods and services (Consumption goods and services (C) + Gross Investments (I) + Government Purchases (G) + (Exports (X) - Imports (M))
C = legalization of marijuana/hemp (increase likely)
I = provide subsidies or tax breaks for hemp production and hemp biodiesel production (increase)
G = end all wars, especially the war on drugs (decrease)
X = combination of legalization and subsidies or tax breaks for marijuana, hemp, and biodiesel production (increase)
M = although I could argue political ideals to change this, for this we will leave it (unchanged)
There positive GDP movement and decreased government spending that should make everyone happy, right?
Dan Kone
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In a healthy economy I'd support that 100%. I support all the ideas in there except limiting government spending to revenue. In difficult economic times, deficit spending is required. Every modern president republican and democrat alike has spent money we don't have in order to create jobs. Doing otherwise is playing with fire. I disagree with the concept that balancing the budget should be a major priority at this time.