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[jeff f]

hypotheticals? there's nothing hypothetical about the herd mentality and blind obedience that lies down your chosen path. take a look at your own post and you can see the sycophantic nature of your reverence for our leaders. according to you, it takes a great deal of time and work to create even the most common sense regulations. "common sense" regulations, which by their very nature are self-evident, require our beloved representatives how much time and effort to craft? what takes the time and effort is turning common sense into a nearly undecipherable swamp of special interest favors and power grabs. the common sense was there for the taking.

and truth be told UTI (god i love saying uti) anyway, truth be told, most regulations are only put on paper after the market took the lead in getting rid of such products or methods.

auto airbags comes to mind, seatbelts, incandescent light bulbs etc.

i have been using floro since 1970's. why outlaw incandescents?

 

[UncleBuck]

...(god i love saying uti)...

that is the only reason i 'liked' your statement.

as far as why to outlaw? it is in the national interest to ween off foreign oil, and this helps us towards that goal. want me to do that in crayon? i will. you have made me laugh twice, so you get special privileges.

 

[jeff f]

that is the only reason i 'liked' your statement.

as far as why to outlaw? it is in the national interest to ween off foreign oil, and this helps us towards that goal. want me to do that in crayon? i will. you have made me laugh twice, so you get special privileges.

by ween you me drive the cost of a light bulb from 25 cents to several dollars per? yep, thats exactly what i mean.

cuz god only knows that what the poor people need, is to spend an extra 3 bucks on a lightbulb.

at least you are giving them a hand up.

yep UB its that simple.

 

[UncleBuck]

by ween you me drive the cost of a light bulb from 25 cents to several dollars per? yep, thats exactly what i mean.

cuz god only knows that what the poor people need, is to spend an extra 3 bucks on a lightbulb.

at least you are giving them a hand up.

yep UB its that simple.

pays for itself in electric saved.

are you trying to make poor people pay higher electric bills because they do not have the financial savvy to realize the long run cost/benefit analysis?

shame on you!

and i call bullshit on your pricing. i can get a 4 pack of 60 watt equivalents for around $1 or $1.25 or so per bulb. i don't believe that incandescents are selling for $ -2.00

 

[mame]

Some incandescents are selling for a shit ton, because of the ban.

120 watt BR40 indoor flood lamps are fucking gold mines ATM.

60a19 bulbs (regular lightbulbs) are still <$2 for a 4 pack though at most places.

 

[jeff f]

pays for itself in electric saved.

are you trying to make poor people pay higher electric bills because they do not have the financial savvy to realize the long run cost/benefit analysis?

shame on you!

and i call bullshit on your pricing. i can get a 4 pack of 60 watt equivalents for around $1 or $1.25 or so per bulb. i don't believe that incandescents are selling for $ -2.00

i will put money on 25 cent bulbs. dollar store. and east coast chain. look it up if you like.

poor people dont care about electrical. they are subsidized. they usually only care about food, clothing, and gas.

but there are the real irresponsible poor people who care about lotto tickets, smokes, and the casino.

which poor are you talking about?

btw, both sets of poor get electrical subsidies....just saying

the liberal utopia falls apart......

 

[UncleBuck]

i will put money on 25 cent bulbs. dollar store. and east coast chain. look it up if you like.

poor people dont care about electrical. they are subsidized. they usually only care about food, clothing, and gas.

but their are the real irresponsible poor people who care about lotto tickets, smokes, and the casino.

which poor are you talking about?

btw, both sets of poor get electrical subsidies....just saying

the liberal utopia falls apart......

i'm poor as fuck according to what they would count as income.

where is my subsidy? i pay that shit myself!

 

[jeff f]

i'm poor as fuck according to what they would count as income.

where is my subsidy? i pay that shit myself!

your not poor, you married up.

every state that i ever lived in, 5, had has electrical subsidies. and oil subsidies. and a ton of others. here its 900 bucks for oil.

look it up. i bet you qualify if your married making less than 25K.

 

[UncleBuck]

your not poor, you married up.

every state that i ever lived in, 5, had has electrical subsidies. and oil subsidies. and a ton of others. here its 900 bucks for oil.

look it up. i bet you qualify if your married making less than 25K.

we have those in our state.

my wife may be "wealthy", but most of it is not liquid.

she gets a meager stipend from her parents about on par with my wage, slightly higher.

together, we pull about 25k a year.

our gas bill in the winter is about $180 a month, but only because we weatherproof the house.

 

[jeff f]

we have those in our state.

my wife may be "wealthy", but most of it is not liquid.

she gets a meager stipend from her parents about on par with my wage, slightly higher.

together, we pull about 25k a year.

our gas bill in the winter is about $180 a month, but only because we weatherproof the house.

hey if its available take it. its not you that conservatives bitch about. its the system that makes them available to derelicts with no intention of ever working. that is a very big portion.


i am totally fucking wasted, so i dont know if that made sense. night fellas

 

[jeff f]

we have those in our state.

my wife may be "wealthy", but most of it is not liquid.

she gets a meager stipend from her parents about on par with my wage, slightly higher.

together, we pull about 25k a year.

our gas bill in the winter is about $180 a month, but only because we weatherproof the house.

i just finished a lighting contract job for the school and i am getting my business going full time again. hired 2 guys today. start tomorrow or thursday depending on delivery truck.

anyway, i am taking the unemployment. and aint gonna feel ashamed. i was forced to put 7 percent of my income into the system, i am damn sure gonna use them.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

i just finished a lighting contract job for the school and i am getting my business going full time again. hired 2 guys today. start tomorrow or thursday depending on delivery truck.
anyway, i am taking the unemployment. and aint gonna feel ashamed. i was forced to put 7 percent of my income into the system, i am damn sure gonna use them.

Yep, take it - it's your money that you have paid in. My feelings are if you didn't put into the system (Govt coffers) then you shouldn't expect to take out excepting special circumstances. If you are physically able to work for a wage then you are morally obligated to do so !
*end rant*

 

[NoDrama]

Bush could have paid China off in full. He cut taxes instead. Hell, Bush could have paid off all of our foriegn debt with that projected $5.6 Trillion Surplus of his.

Remember that?!?!?!?

HAHA I remember that, but it wasn't Bush or his Administration that came up with those numbers. It was a projection by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in January 2001 to cover the next decade. It assumed that late-1990s economic growth and the stock-market bubble (which had already peaked) would continue forever and generate record-high tax revenues. It assumed no recessions, no terrorist attacks, no wars, no natural disasters, and that all discretionary spending would fall to 1930s levels.

Keep scapegoating.

 

[NoDrama]

The vast majority of our debt is owed to Americans and American institutions. Not sure why everyone is so afraid of China.

"At Least I Am Enjoying The Ride..........."

I guess if you consider the Federal reserve an American institution. The Fed Owns more Treasuries of ours than China, Germany and Japan combined.

Why are people afraid of China? China has Oil deals with Russia that Bypass the Dollar. Once China solves its energy problem they will divest themselves of $1 trillion in US treasuries right quick. Know what $1 trillion dumped on the market causes? Massive dumping of Treasuries by everyone, i.e. massive catastrophic economic shutdown. You see when people start selling their treasuries it causes rates of return on new treasuries to go up. When rates go up that is BAD BAD BAD for holders of lower rate treasuries. Who wants to buy a bond that yields .1% when you can get a new one that yields 10%. The US Would default instantly as it had to cover the principal of the treasuries instead of just the interest.

 

[jeff f]

HAHA I remember that, but it wasn't Bush or his Administration that came up with those numbers. It was a projection by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in January 2001 to cover the next decade. It assumed that late-1990s economic growth and the stock-market bubble (which had already peaked) would continue forever and generate record-high tax revenues. It assumed no recessions, no terrorist attacks, no wars, no natural disasters, and that all discretionary spending would fall to 1930s levels.

Keep scapegoating.

thats it? thats all you got? so bush didnt predict 911 and neither did the cbo? looking back, dont you think he should have?

 

[jeff f]

I guess if you consider the Federal reserve an American institution. The Fed Owns more Treasuries of ours than China, Germany and Japan combined.

Why are people afraid of China? China has Oil deals with Russia that Bypass the Dollar. Once China solves its energy problem they will divest themselves of $1 trillion in US treasuries right quick. Know what $1 trillion dumped on the market causes? Massive dumping of Treasuries by everyone, i.e. massive catastrophic economic shutdown. You see when people start selling their treasuries it causes rates of return on new treasuries to go up. When rates go up that is BAD BAD BAD for holders of lower rate treasuries. Who wants to buy a bond that yields .1% when you can get a new one that yields 10%. The US Would default instantly as it had to cover the principal of the treasuries instead of just the interest.

brilliantly stated. so basically its a typical bank run on a world wide scale? or am i missing it?

 

[NoDrama]

our gas bill in the winter is about $180 a month, but only because we weatherproof the house.

Oh lordy, you must have a large home. Either that or Nat Gas must be exorbitantly expensive. Most people I know can heat their home for less than $80 a month for a 2000 sq foot home. You would be better off putting those incandescents back in, at least they will help heat the house in the winter. I use incandescents to keep things at the farm warm, works great to keep lead acid battery operated devices nice and warm during those exceptionally cold days where the mercury freezes solid.

 

[jeff f]

Oh lordy, you must have a large home. Either that or Nat Gas must be exorbitantly expensive. Most people I know can heat their home for less than $80 a month for a 2000 sq foot home. You would be better off putting those incandescents back in, at least they will help heat the house in the winter. I use incandescents to keep things at the farm warm, works great to keep lead acid battery operated devices nice and warm during those exceptionally cold days where the mercury freezes solid.

incandescent are great around outside piping too. hose bibs, well heads, etc. a 100 watt under a bucket has saved me a thousand times.

i am just so happy cant use them.......

 

[mame]

You can still buy halogen lamps with a medium base, if it's heat you want Halogen is better anyway.

 

[BendBrewer]

Sure you can use them. They sell incandescent bulbs that meet the new standards. You can't believe everything you hear on Fox News.

Researchers across the country have been racing to breathe new life into Thomas Edison&#8217;s light bulb, a pursuit that accelerated with the new legislation. Amid that footrace, one company is already marketing limited quantities of incandescent bulbs that meet the 2012 standard, and researchers are promising a wave of innovative products in the next few years.
Indeed, the incandescent bulb is turning into a case study of the way government mandates can spur innovation.
&#8220;There&#8217;s a massive misperception that incandescents are going away quickly,&#8221; said Chris Calwell, a researcher with Ecos Consulting who studies the bulb market. &#8220;There have been more incandescent innovations in the last three years than in the last two decades.&#8221;