Do you need to further dilute guano tea after it's been made (i.e. right b4 wateing)?

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gliese581g

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Never made a tea before, but plan on making it part of my regimen. I've come across these recipes (provided below) and they look good to me. I was planning to brew the ingredients in 5 gallons of water and aerate for 48 hours with a pump.

My question is, once this is done do I water the plant with this liquid or do I need to dilute further to avoid burn. I notice that with the veg recipe it concludes by saying "@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering." Does that mean that I need to dilute the tea after it has been made at 1 cup of tea to five gallons of water before watering the plants or is the author saying that you want to brew approximately 1 cup of guano in 5 gallons of water, with no further dilution being necessary. I believe my latter suggestion is correct, but I want to be sure.

Thanks!

Also, if you think these recipes should be amended, let me know your suggestions. It's been suggested to me that I take the Peruvian guano out of the flowering recipe as the kelp extract and other ingredients provide more than enough N. Do you agree?
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Soil Prep Tea [I would let this cook for a few days (weeks?) before planting]
1 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano

Seedlings less than 1 month old nutrient tea mix-
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses
1-cup earthworm castings/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering

Vegetative mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 TBS. Liquid Karma (optional)
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses
@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering.

Flowering nutrient tea mix:
2/5 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract or Liquid
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses
Dilute as needed. Generally, 2 to 3 cups per 5 gallons of water @ every watering.
 
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gliese581g

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Good to know. I didn't think it was the case that people diluted again after the initial brew, but better to ask and be certain.

What do you think of these recipes? I think I might add some mycorrhizae to the mix (probably Great White).
 
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gliese581g

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mygirls said:
let tea set for 24 hrs b4 useing it..
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Is the reason for this to ensure that the heavy matter floats to the bottom or is there another reason?

elduece said:
It's best to add mycos during transplant.
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Ok, so putting them in the tea is a bad idea? The myco I bought is a water soluble powder. In this case should I just water with the myco or should I throw some of the dust around the root ball? If it's watering is it best to apply the myco solution directly on the root ball or should I wait until it is firmly planted in the new pot and water as I normally would after a transplant?

Thanks!
 
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gliese581g

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And one other question, I was planning on using these teas in conjunction with a non-organic nute regime (sensigrow and sensibloom). Is this counter-productive? I am also currently using a soilless medium, specifically Sunshine #4, which is sphagnum peat moss, coarse perlite, gypsum and dolomitic limestone.

Considering the amount of nutrients in the guano and other additives, is it advisable to use a lower concentration nute solution, letting the organics in the tea make up this reduction?

I am thinking about going pure organic in the future, but I bought some AN products when my knowledge was inferior to what it is now (this is my first grow) and I will have to use them up before I change. The more I am exposed to their marketing, the more I feel like a chump. Seriously, their product descriptions sound like something straight out of a 3am weight-loss informercial, but I digress.
 
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gliese581g

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Thanks mygirls.

For posterity, I found the following answer on mixing chem and organic nutes:

Dr. David A. Zuberer said:
A common misconception about soil microbes is that using synthetic fertilizers and other management inputs (pesticides, etc.) somehow kills the soil microbial population leading to "dead" or "sterile" soils. The Internet abounds with information (in some cases posted by well-meaning individuals and, in others, by persons selling miracle cures) that is just patently false!
Take the following statement gleaned from the internet for example:

"Chemical fertilizers will eventually destroy even the best soils by killing the beneficial organisms that plants rely on to gather nutrients and moisture. Growers are then forced to pour on larger and larger amounts of expensive petroleum-based fertilizers to maintain yields, but the overdoses create unbalanced "dead soil". (Anon.)
A recent search of the World Wide Web for the term "dead soil" returned 96,000 hits.

While it is true that fertilizers may inflict some harm on microbes directly exposed to granules or to anhydrous ammonia, the overall effect of fertilizer applications is to markedly increase microbial numbers and activity in soil through increased plant growth. We have known this for decades! As I mentioned earlier, the majority of soil microbes require organic carbon to grow and produce new cells. In grass systems, the vast majority of organic matter is produced from decomposing roots and leaves. Fertilization increases the amount of organic substrates available to soil microbes by increasing its source, the grass plants themselves. Thus, rather than producing "dead soil", judicious use of fertilizers invigorates soil microbes by allowing plants to produce more resources for them! - "The Truth About Microbes-- Microbes in soil and sand-based root zones:
A few of the basics."
By
David A. Zuberer, Texas A&M University.
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Vapekush

Vapekush

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The ingredients in the tea look pretty good but you can certainly mess with it to tailor it to what you're growing. In flower I would go with Indonesian bat guano to keep the N low. Maybe consider a mix of kelp, Indonesian guano and molasses, something along those lines.

For the 1st time giving tea you could dilute a bit just to be safe but of you're using other nutrients your plants can most likely handle tea at full strength.

One of the benefits of making tea is that it contains mico nutes that live around the roots. As these micro's live they create waste, that waste provides further nutrients to your plant. Using inorganic nutes usually leave salts behind that will kill off the micro nutes. So in short, using tea with inorganic ferts will still give you the initial benefit of nutrients but you won't get the full benefit of the micros.
 
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orchiid.wild

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gliese581g said:
Is the reason for this to ensure that the heavy matter floats to the bottom or is there another reason?



Ok, so putting them in the tea is a bad idea? The myco I bought is a water soluble powder. In this case should I just water with the myco or should I throw some of the dust around the root ball? If it's watering is it best to apply the myco solution directly on the root ball or should I wait until it is firmly planted in the new pot and water as I normally would after a transplant?

Thanks!
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Hey my friend!

First off, do NOT let your tea sit for 24 hours before feeding. I've been researching teas for about a month now quite heavily and after 6 hours of leaving your tea unaerated the oxygen levels decrease by 300%. I can't tell you where I read that but the idea of having a pump bubbling air in your tea is to keep it oxygenated. You want the aerobic bacteria to thrive because this is the type of bacteria that benefits your plants by breaking down the unavailable nutrients in your tea and soil into nutrients your plant can absorb.

FYI all of my plants are growing outdoors in the natural soil. I started using tea about 4 weeks ago during flowering as I obtained some high P bat guano.

What I'm doing now (and it hasn't harmed my plants) is as follows:

Per PLANT, (I'm sorry I use metric)
- 1 Litre of unchlorinated water (meaning I bubble the water over night before adding the rest of the ingredients. This is very important and should not be avoided)
- 10g of 0-27-3 bat guano (I don't know why it's so high in P but I'll go with the info on the package)
- 14g unsulphrured molasses
- 28g EM (it's a mixture similar to SUPER PLANT TONIC. Info here: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/117084-uses-super-plant-tonic.html)
- about 100g worm castings (that I find under some logs beside my house)

I bubble this mixture between 24 and 72 hours and usually any time after 24 hours there's a foam that appears bubbling on top of the mixture. I transport however many litres of tea to where I'm growing then I add 1 litre of stream water to every litre of tea (halving the concentration). I do this once ever two weeks.

This tea is a modification of some of the recipes I found on the link to the thread below because of the high P value of my guano.
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/93913-making-tea-ez-cheap.html
It's 47 pages of info but in the end you realize that ohsogreen knows what he's talking about and you start to trust the information he's posted.

I have one litre of tea bubbling right now that I will add to a plant either tomorrow or the day after. That same plant was given the exact tea I stated above 2 weeks ago. More later ;)
 
mygirls

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
orchiid.wild said:
Hey my friend!

First off, do NOT let your tea sit for 24 hours before feeding. I've been researching teas for about a month now quite heavily and after 6 hours of leaving your tea unaerated the oxygen levels decrease by 300%. I can't tell you where I read that but the idea of having a pump bubbling air in your tea is to keep it oxygenated. You want the aerobic bacteria to thrive because this is the type of bacteria that benefits your plants by breaking down the unavailable nutrients in your tea and soil into nutrients your plant can absorb.

FYI all of my plants are growing outdoors in the natural soil. I started using tea about 4 weeks ago during flowering as I obtained some high P bat guano.

What I'm doing now (and it hasn't harmed my plants) is as follows:

Per PLANT, (I'm sorry I use metric)
- 1 Litre of unchlorinated water (meaning I bubble the water over night before adding the rest of the ingredients. This is very important and should not be avoided)
- 10g of 0-27-3 bat guano (I don't know why it's so high in P but I'll go with the info on the package)
- 14g unsulphrured molasses
- 28g EM (it's a mixture similar to SUPER PLANT TONIC. Info here: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/117084-uses-super-plant-tonic.html)
- about 100g worm castings (that I find under some logs beside my house)

I bubble this mixture between 24 and 72 hours and usually any time after 24 hours there's a foam that appears bubbling on top of the mixture. I transport however many litres of tea to where I'm growing then I add 1 litre of stream water to every litre of tea (halving the concentration). I do this once ever two weeks.

This tea is a modification of some of the recipes I found on the link to the thread below because of the high P value of my guano.
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/93913-making-tea-ez-cheap.html
It's 47 pages of info but in the end you realize that ohsogreen knows what he's talking about and you start to trust the information he's posted.

I have one litre of tea bubbling right now that I will add to a plant either tomorrow or the day after. That same plant was given the exact tea I stated above 2 weeks ago. More later ;)
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you need to read the back of the bag.
 
Dankster4Life

Dankster4Life

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mygirls said:
im pretty sure thats what i said.. let the tea set for 24hrs b4 useing it
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No homie.What i mean is i put in my guano only and bubble for 24 hrs.Then i add my other ingredient and start my tea then.....going for another 24-36 hrs.

Brewing a tea and then letting it sit with out any air to it is not a good practice.Once you stop air going to the tea things start dieing off.
 
AKDOGG

AKDOGG

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Can I use tea and then wait few days and use nutrients? My nutrients are fox farm grow big,tiger bloom and grow more with 1000 PPM

My tea recipe for 5 gallon and then dilute it to 15 gallons
2 cups of EWC
1 TBS Jamican Guano
30ml of earth juice
30ml fish and seaweed
60ml molasses
30ml mega morpheus
 
mygirls

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
Dankster4Life said:
No homie.What i mean is i put in my guano only and bubble for 24 hrs.Then i add my other ingredient and start my tea then.....going for another 24-36 hrs.

Brewing a tea and then letting it sit with out any air to it is not a good practice.Once you stop air going to the tea things start dieing off.
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dieing off LOL hahahaha
 
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