Libya No Talk?

tip top toker

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i'll have to disagree.

sending a bunch of kids with guns to the front lines is much different than sending the best trained forces on the planet to conduct intelligence out of the line of fire.

those special ops were probably wearing loafers and button down shirts for fuck sake.
And as per the pictures taken toting AK47's and pistols mingling with the rebels on the front lines.

Hey, maybe the oil prices will drop and illegal wars will be spun as a good thing for the people of the western world? :D

And is the same "toppled Gadaffi" as the "we have captured his son" kind of breakthrough by the rebels? :D We know little of what's going on other than the "stories" of the MSM
 

deprave

New Member
libyans toppled gaddafi. fyi.

i thought you liked the whole freedom thing. you even have a website about it.
Id say thats debatable if it was Libyans or not, and even if it was a genuine revolution then I'm not so sure it could really be for the better, Ive herd many of them are supposedly al qaida and we also did have cia involved, but maybe the cia is also al qaida. Ive never been there so I wouldn't know. This is all speculation, Have you been?

Sounded like we are dropping bombs on people, sounds like blood money to me.
 

UncleBuck

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Id say thats debatable if it was libiyans or not, and even if it was a genuine then Im not so sure it could really be for the better, Ive herd many of them are supposably al qaida and we also did have cia involved. Ive never been there so I wouldn't know. This is all speculation, Have you been?
no, but they have oil and have recently engineered water supplies for irrigation of crops as well as potable water for citizens. they are a key player in the future.

whatever happened to our old chant: "from the halls of montezuma to the shores of tripoli"
 

tip top toker

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Id say thats debatable if it was Libyans or not, and even if it was a genuine revolution then I'm not so sure it could really be for the better, Ive herd many of them are supposedly al qaida and we also did have cia involved, but maybe the cia is also al qaida. Ive never been there so I wouldn't know. This is all speculation, Have you been?

Sounded like we are dropping bombs on people, sounds like blood money to me.
I sent a Freedom of Information request ot the government asking for the to detail their proof that there were not alqueda in the rebel forces and as such us aiding our enemy. The strongest evidence they could offer in return was that they "believe that there are not al queda operatives within the rebel forces". I'm sorry but it was someones belief that toppled the trade centre towers and someones belief that blew up some trains. War should be based on evidence, not someones belief.
 

deprave

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I sent a Freedom of Information request ot the government asking for the to detail their proof that there were not alqueda in the rebel forces and as such us aiding our enemy. The strongest evidence they could offer in return was that they "believe that there are not al queda operatives within the rebel forces". I'm sorry but it was someones belief that toppled the trade centre towers and someones belief that blew up some trains. War should be based on evidence, not someones belief.
Exactly, you make some good points, I herd from many sources that most if not all of the rebels are al qaida, that was on the main stream media I believe on every network, Ill have to check that real quick.
 

deprave

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[video=youtube;z01UWUQvJ48]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01UWUQvJ48[/video]




Hmmmmm....KINDA FUNNY THE PRICE OF GOLD WENT UP ISN'T IT.....when tons of gold has been seized, I wonder who gets that, JP MORGAN? LOL
 

UncleBuck

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when we went into afghanistan and iraq, those were "boots on the ground" operations.

i thought iraq was completely unnecessary, and that afghanistan was better handled through deployment of special ops.

libya was handled right. our involvement was minor, costs were much lower, no real boots on the ground, only a handful of special ops, done in 8 months instead of 8+ years (and counting).

now we have a key ally in a key place, and we supported our euro allies who need the oil.

this was an example of war done correctly, not unilaterally.

but perhaps others don't care as much about maintaining their standard of living.
 

redivider

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well said. i also heard today that the new government of libya was going to give the US special treatment b/c it supported the uprising.

when china and russia were pushing for negotiating with the former government.

btw, the costs were not low. each one of those tomahawk cruise missiles costs a LOT of money...

this could've been over quicker but the politics of even thinking obama could've pulled off a successful military operation was just too much for republicans... so they put road blocks in the way, and then, naturally, blamed obama b/c the military intervention wasn't big enough, took too long and cost too much....
 

newworldicon

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no, but they have oil and have recently engineered water supplies for irrigation of crops as well as potable water for citizens. they are a key player in the future.

whatever happened to our old chant: "from the halls of montezuma to the shores of tripoli"
I believe that it was General Electric who built and funded that water project. One more incentive....
 

dukeanthony

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I sent a Freedom of Information request ot the government asking for the to detail their proof that there were not alqueda in the rebel forces and as such us aiding our enemy. The strongest evidence they could offer in return was that they "believe that there are not al queda operatives within the rebel forces". I'm sorry but it was someones belief that toppled the trade centre towers and someones belief that blew up some trains. War should be based on evidence, not someones belief.
can you name one country in Middle East that did not have young men join al qaeda? I bet some of Moatards Loyalists were al qaeda at one time also
 

newworldicon

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when we went into afghanistan and iraq, those were "boots on the ground" operations.

i thought iraq was completely unnecessary, and that afghanistan was better handled through deployment of special ops.

libya was handled right. our involvement was minor, costs were much lower, no real boots on the ground, only a handful of special ops, done in 8 months instead of 8+ years (and counting).

now we have a key ally in a key place, and we supported our euro allies who need the oil.

this was an example of war done correctly, not unilaterally.

but perhaps others don't care as much about maintaining their standard of living.
Buck this is simply typical selfish Western attitude when you talk of maintaining your living standard, what is the cost of it for so many other nations around the world, it's just not right and you know it.

I believe that this superior Western complex is fundamental to many of the problems the world has today, it encompasses greed and selfishness until it affects you directly then you cry blue murder and finally see what so many others are hurting from. Libya, Egypt and any other nation helped to democracy by the west will NEVER see the same living standard as Westerners, they will become war torn countries that are used by Westerners for mineral wealth yet will have different faces abusing them in the same way that other dictators have in the past. History shows us that in many African countries and Eastern Europe.

On a completely side note I watched a documentary last night with Ross Kemp in Gaza, I know he is a bit of a dick but it was what the children were saying which was very insightful coming from a 7 year old girl. She was asked what she thought of living in Gaza...her answer was to say that she saw before her eyes her mother lose half of her head and skull in a bombing, her fathers guts spilt onto the floor in that same bombing, she said that she would never be able to forgive the Israelis for doing that and all she could think of when she closed her eyes was revenge for her parents, she also said that she would rather lay down her life as a matyr for this injustice seen as she has lost everything, at such a young age she knows what her future holds, a strangled life in the Gaza without family and prospects and frankly I can't blame her, everyone try just for a second to put themselves in that little girls shoes for a short while, a pain and anger that must be unbearable at times. They happened to live in an area that was initially pinpointed as being a hideout for hamas but was later renaged due to poor intelligence, this was a statement made by the Israeli consulate according to the documentary.

Now I know that this has little to do with Libya directly but it is an example of what the innocents in this war are probably if not certainly experiencing on a daily basis. Yet we Westerners are willing to turn a blind eye to this half way across the world and instead focus on our lovely cars and homes and luxuries like a toilet that does not require cleaning out the bucket every week, less during Rammadan lol, but seriously, stop for a second and think that we ALL were very lucky and fortunate to be born into a Western family as opposed to being born into an Iraqi, Libyan or any other 3rd world family, the only seperation was LUCK nothing more.

Perhaps you don't believe that you have an obligation to humanity to be fair and just but you in fact do, we all do. I am all for survival of the fittest as it is a critical component of natures cycle but Capitalism and greed is not, it never has been.

I feel sorry for humanities future if this is how we treat each other...
 

newworldicon

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can you name one country in Middle East that did not have young men join al qaeda? I bet some of Moatards Loyalists were al qaeda at one time also
I doubt anyone can truly answer this question accurately, besides it seems irrelevant seen as nobody really knows for sure who Al Qeida are and where they come from, what their true agenda is or what there manifesto is. We always just get what the mainstream media gives us and have to accept that as their word, When you can't paint a proper picture after all these years of this so called group then it raises questions.
 

tet1953

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Libya supplies oil to Europe. They need that oil. So is this a good war?

Quadaffi is bad, ultimately the Rebels may be worse.

The draft Constitution from the Rebels establishes Sharia Law in Libya.

See Part 1, Article 1.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/document-libya-s-draft-constitutional-charter-20110822

None of that really matters because Congress should have given authorization in the first place.
Wow, no one is talking about that are they Johnny? How legit do you believe that site or that document are?

No one knows what Libya looks like a year from now, but I definitely don't think it looks like a democracy. Civil war, more likely.
 

tet1953

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Ok I can find lots of links where they talk about such a draft constitution, but nothing what I would call mainstream. Neither the right nor the left. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, even Drudge. Is there really something to this?
 

beardo

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Paramilitary operatives from the CIA's Special Activities Division (SAD) operatives are reported to be active in Libya. Reports say that SAD operatives have been gathering intel, aiding rebel forces and may have assisted in the rescue of 2 USAF crewmen after their F-15E Strike Eagle fighter/bomber crashed in eastern Libya last week.
http://news.americanspecialops.com/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t789735/
that's not exactly what the american people have in mind when we picture 'boots on the ground', but i'll concede victory to you.

a few special ops were there, but what i had in mind was americans on the front lines.

i find it awesome that one of the sources you quoted was a white supremacist group. i am not discrediting the source, just interesting that you are perusing white supremacist websites.
It is also a white nationalist site...
Do you know what is interesting and disturbing about it, their seems to be somewhat of a concencus on that site that the Chineese will end up ruling earth and space, many of the people on their seem to view them as a pure race and believe that because of their intolerence of forigners and race mixing they will reach further achievements and their genes and culture will reign supreme, those who say that seem to believe the whites will go extinct because of race mixing.
 

UncleBuck

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It is also a white nationalist site...
Do you know what is interesting and disturbing about it, their seems to be somewhat of a concencus on that site that the Chineese will end up ruling earth and space, many of the people on their seem to view them as a pure race and believe that because of their intolerence of forigners and race mixing they will reach further achievements and their genes and culture will reign supreme, those who say that seem to believe the whites will go extinct because of race mixing.
they also complain constantly about the "zionist occupation government" and deride mexicans for driving older, inefficient automobiles.

bunch of real winners on that site.
 

beardo

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they also complain constantly about the "zionist occupation government" and deride mexicans for driving older, inefficient automobiles.

bunch of real winners on that site.
Their right about the ZOG... but I do like old inefficent automobiles
 
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