LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

[pr0fesseur]

To all potential Quantum Bad Boy purchasers, my 8 bulb has 2 separate o/o switches. It occurred to me I can erect a divider and use half for veg and half for flower, which allows for a small perpetual grow set up. for small AF type plants

FYI I went to KorallenZucht website. They do not have a color spectrum chart for the Fiji. hth

As requested here you go!

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[pr0fesseur]

As requested here you go!

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YOU CAN USE THE RED SUNS FOR VEG SO LONG AS THERE IS ACTINICS FOR 50/50 i use 2 red suns but i have 2 super actinics to balance the light to 50/50
if you have a small 4 light i would suggest fuji red blue fuji
if you have a six bulb i would suggest fuji blue 75.25 red blue fuji...
get it try o keep the red less than or = to blue...
DO NOT however unbalance that ratio.. it wont force flowering but it will induce the plant to stop "vegging." and growth starts to slow stalks get spindly...etc...

 

[novice11]

spacing should be as such
you want the plants to get an even light pattern so try to space lights 2 bulbs away from each of the similar spectrum.
fuji
blue
red
fuji
75.25
red
blue
fuji
this is an example!

Isn't this where I asked about my 8 bulb array? And we switch the 75.25 for (another) RED SUN for BLOOM?

If this isn't correct, I must ask for you to list out a proper 8 bulb array for VEG and say WHAT gets swapped out for BLOOM/FLOWER for the same 8 bulb setup.

 

[pr0fesseur]

Isn't this where I asked about my 8 bulb array? And we switch the 75.25 for (another) RED SUN for BLOOM?

If this isn't correct, I must ask for you to list out a proper 8 bulb array for VEG and say WHAT gets swapped out for BLOOM/FLOWER for the same 8 bulb setup.

This is correct...
i was assuming people were wanting to use red suns for veg.. not a mix... once you bloom take out 75.25 then replace with red to make 60/40 R/B
you could also use
fuji
blue
fuji
fuji
red
fuji
fuji
blue
hell you "could" use all Fuji purps... but thats $$$$$
its all about "balance"

or any other combination ...
thats why i wrote
"this is an example"

 

[novice11]

This is correct...
i was assuming people were wanting to use red suns for veg.. not a mix... once you bloom take out 75.25 then replace with red to make 60/40 R/B

PHEW!...thought I had "over-indulged"...LOL.

pr0fesseur - as most of these questions seem to ask about "what bulbs to use" in a 4 / 6 / 8 bulb array AND what to swap out from VEG to FLOWER/BLOOM....I still think it would be most helpful to have that matrix posted and then it can be referred to when asked (yet) again...."See post # 123".

I would be happy to work this out offline and send you a PM with the result, you could edit it and then use that as the go to post.

It just seems that it would be more efficient and less repetition. IMHO.

 

[pr0fesseur]

sounds like i have some work to do ....
Anyone want to do a chart?
I can provide all the SPD charts and lets do a google doc matrix agreed?
we can then do a price breakdown on bulbs as well as vendors..
any takers to help????

 

[PetFlora]

Questions for the pr0f:

(1) Where did you get the output spectrum for the Fiji?
(2) Do you know what the initial output of the Fiji is in lumens? Thanks!

1. Precog posted it on page 28 or 29. Pr0f did earlier but neglected to provide the name.
2. I don't recall that being there.

 

[PetFlora]

Well, I ordered 2 RED SUNS along with the 2 Blue and the 75.25 last week. The RED SUNs are due to be in sometime soon, I'm still waiting. And I have written 2 emails, 1 Wednesday and 1 today asking about it and have not received the courtesy of a reply. So the prices are good and the Customer Service sux.

Try calling. There are only a couple people working there with lots going on. Email likely suffers.

 

[novice11]

4 BULB - VEG = FIJI / RED / BLUE / FIJI ................................................BLOOM/FLOWER=SAME

6 BULB - VEG = FIJI / BLUE1 / 75.25 / FIJI / RED / BLUE2 .....................BLOOM/FLOWER = Replace 75.25 with RED

8 BULB - VEG = FIJI / RED / BLUE1 / 75.25 /FIJI / BLUE2 / RED / FIJI .....BLOOM/FLOWER = Replace 75.25 with RED

BLUE1 = UVL Super ACTINIC @ 420nm
BLUE2 = UVL 454nm
RED = UVL RED SUN 630nm
FIJI = KorallenZucht FIJI PURPLE 630nm & 440nm
75.25 = UVL 75.25 (VEG ONLY)

How that for starters?

 

[PetFlora]

Someone please find the post where i told someone to use red suns for veg?

Actually I saw where you said this in effect 4-5 pages back. when you said no Red Suns for bloom. Clearly a fo-pa, (easy to confuse Aqua Sun with Red Sun when you are responding to a bunch of questions) but confusing to those who are running as fast as we can to catch up. It is only today (rereading the entire thread) that I finally get why I need Blue Actinic in flower. I stil don't get the Fijis being any better than say Aqua Suns for veg.

 

[pr0fesseur]

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Fuji PURP SPD

Aquasun SPD

Anyone notice a difference?
Maybe I'm hallucinating but i DEFINITELY notice a HUGE difference
Sometimes i can be a raving lunatic... but look closely and youll see all the difference

 

[hyroot]

prof Im confused as all hell. In a much earlier post you said when you bloom add the red sun bulbs where the actinic (blue) ones are (75.25, 454, Super Actinic) . I thought the actinics and 454 were just for veg.

for flower im rockin 3 red sun,, 3 fiji and 2 ati aqua blue 12000k. so is this the wrong set up?

 

[pr0fesseur]

prof Im confused as all hell. In a much earlier post you said when you bloom add the red sun bulbs where the actinic (blue) ones are (75.25, 454, Super Actinic) . I thought the actinics were just for veg.

for flower im rockin 3 red sun,, 3 fiji and 2 ati aqua blue 12000k. so is this the wrong set up?

No your fine .... the aqua blues are fine they have a HUGE (actinic) blue spike to them AND a good green spike and a good red spike.... I only have 1x12000k so i leave in the actinics im good...
I cant only have 1 bulb in at a time.. they must be pairs... the more blue you use the shorter plants seem to be but i had room to let my plants get large thus keeping a pro color
I have a procolor bulb that changes how i have my reds and blues... the 75.25 is almost the same as the 12000k both have their
some 12000k bulbs have less blue actinic in them the ATI blue are +++++ blue!
My setup is also very AD-hock... im trying to keep as many combinations in my ballast as possible for experimentation..

 

[hyroot]

sweet. I was kind of trippin and can't really afford more bulbs right now.

 

[Precog420]

I have been really busy lately, but everything is taken care of now, This is my first grow and i was planning on keeping it small and cheap, but, As of last night my new 10x10 room was finished double sided wall with insulation :. I will finally be able to post some more pics of my T5 grow. All of the plants look AMAZING with stacking nodes, The pics that i will uploading will be 2 months into veg.


Prof Ive learned so much in this thread I could never thank you enough! many thanks to everyone that keep up on this thread as well.

 

[hyroot]

No your fine .... the aqua blues are fine they have a HUGE (actinic) blue spike to them AND a good green spike and a good red spike.... I only have 1x12000k so i leave in the actinics im good...
I cant only have 1 bulb in at a time.. they must be pairs... the more blue you use the shorter plants seem to be but i had room to let my plants get large thus keeping a pro color
I have a procolor bulb that changes how i have my reds and blues... the 75.25 is almost the same as the 12000k both have their
some 12000k bulbs have less blue actinic in them the ATI blue are +++++ blue!
My setup is also very AD-hock... im trying to keep as many combinations in my ballast as possible for experimentation..

Im using a whole room, so I have room for height. I plan on adding another badboy eventually. Should I change out one of the aqua blue? I want them to get big. I veg under other lights in another room I do LST and super cropping.

 

[pr0fesseur]

Im using a whole room, so I have room for height. I plan on adding another badboy eventually. Should I change out one of the aqua blue? I want them to get big. I veg under other lights in another room I do LST and super cropping.

Nah your good once you have 16 bulbs you will do a 4 bulb x4 bulb...
you will be able to use 4 different bulbs..

 

[hyroot]

cool thanks

 

[MeanJean]

So new guy hear been reading your post find your hardcore evidence and dedication to the subject amazing and was gonna give this system a try. Buying a T5 bad boy 8 bulb lighting system soon and was wondering if i could get a list of the lights you have been using to good effect for seed/veg/flower stages.

 

[PetFlora]

For anyone interested in some in depth research regarding LED lighting my thread Are LEDs Misunderstood has attracted some excellent minds. Here is an excerpt on UVB (note they are thinking short blasts):

I devoted most of my research to this topic, as currently there is more that we don't know about than we know for sure.

For cannabis, we are narrowing down the spectrum that works better, at least for whole grows. Except for the UV range, we know decently what we need to use, and how to vary attending to different situations.* Now we need to find optimal spectrums for each stage of development and situations as well as "tricks" allowing to affect some traits by lighting manipulation.* I think possibilities of LEDs on this are really huge and severely under researched. Blast of light of narrow wavelengths or combinations of narrow wavelengths for short periods of time have the potential of strongly affect outcomes.

Just an example: could strong blue light blasts affect in a similar way than UV? (I suspect so). Either a pair of hours a day, maybe blasts during three days each 15 days, or at the mid of veg period, then after flowering induction and finally at ripening, etc. Possibilities are almost endless. Or, does a blast of very narrow UVB (290 +-5nm, for example) have a different effect or intensity response that wide UVB or UVB+UVA irradiation?