220 P will play havoc with your Calcium, Mag, Iron and Zinc with that amount in the mix
HPA Without An Accumulator
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PetFlora
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Hurray. I found a better PVC Coupler at Lowes. This one has much shorter threads AND a locking ring. The shorter threads will help the mist to reach the starter cube. The locking ring will help keep the plant from listing/falling.
Part # 25018. Schedule 40 called a Slip Joint Nut and Washer 1 1/2". Comes in a baggie, so you might need to ask. $2.66 each set
PVC CAUTION article:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/06/24/europe-bans-penis-shrinking-chemical-america-does-not.aspx
Part # 25018. Schedule 40 called a Slip Joint Nut and Washer 1 1/2". Comes in a baggie, so you might need to ask. $2.66 each set
PVC CAUTION article:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/06/24/europe-bans-penis-shrinking-chemical-america-does-not.aspx
Trichy Bastard
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Ok, I finally found where your thread is... Subbed... and just read from beginning to end. 
Have you had any good results with the new couplers?
Have you had any good results with the new couplers?
Trichy Bastard
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oh man.. got my fingers crossed...
PetFlora
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I actually have 3 young uns, about 2" tall, whose roots are finally beginning to extend past the old longer couplers. The one struggling is a fourth seedling that I started after these 3, but prior to finding the short couplers. Since moving it to the shorter coupler the bottom has remained moist- a very good sign for future seedlings- but it may not survive the fact that it wasn't getting sufficient moisture from the beginning.
PetFlora
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Natural Remedy (Cheap too)
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Came across urls to Duster and Human Grade DE for humans, pets and our gardens http://www.amazon.com/All-Stop-M345-Pistol-Duster/dp/B002SW52CE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2EPFO332ATZGH&s=generic&qid= 1311008945&sr=1-2
Amazing health info here: http://www.earthworkshealth.com/
Trichy Bastard
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Cool Petflora I never knew it was being used for consumption and the possible benefits it had. One thing worth mentioning- if you use it, don't unhale the dust- it can irritate the lungs like asbestos... I also read on wikipedia it could be used as a growing medium in hydroponics, but have no idea how you'd do that with a powder, or maybe they mean more like gravel sized pieces that aren't pulverized into dust?
lordjin
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Hi. Your roots look great. Mine don't look that different from yours. I've heard that the mass of 'thin fishbone' type roots are the tell-tale signs of true aeroponics roots. My roots are just that...a mass of thin, fishbone roots...And when I stop using the notoriously brown GH, my roots will look even more like yours.
I use the cheap low pressure method, but there is 45 liters a minute of oxygen in my water droplets, though they be over 50 micron in size.
I use the cheap low pressure method, but there is 45 liters a minute of oxygen in my water droplets, though they be over 50 micron in size.
PetFlora
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In that old photo, mine are not any better than yours.
True hpa roots, look like fluffy cotton candy. Imagine the same volume of roots with zillions of feeding sites ready to accept the atomized high pressure mist using deep time release cycles. That's what I am striving for, and it has been a journey, but I am on the cusp of having cotton candy roots. I have a journal elsewhere
True hpa roots, look like fluffy cotton candy. Imagine the same volume of roots with zillions of feeding sites ready to accept the atomized high pressure mist using deep time release cycles. That's what I am striving for, and it has been a journey, but I am on the cusp of having cotton candy roots. I have a journal elsewhere
lordjin
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I see. Hope you reach your goal.
What is your opinion regarding the impact of hp on a grow. Say I switched from what I'm doing now and invested in hp heads, an hp pump, and accum, with everything else the same. Do you think it would impact my grow significantly enough to warrant the added expense and maintenance?
PetFlora
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There is no way I could know what is best for YOU. I can tell you that I went from lpa to quasi hpa while my lpa grown plant was seemingly ready to harvest, but within 48 hours of adding high pressure heads and pump, I saw new fox tails were shooting all over, and new roots of course, which were feeding the new buds. And that was using a 15 minute timer- too long and too wet, which prevented cotton candy (CC), but I knew I was onto something special.
After that grow I bought a Sentinel MDT-1 timer, only to later find out it is not accurate at one second, and does not cycle below that. The TRUE HPA guys use an accumulator, solenoids, etc and run < 0.5 second wet cycles, followed by < 30 second dry cycles. This combination basically turns the root system into a 24/7 pig out, as the roots never get too wet/dry (full/hungry), consequently they eat all the time.
Imagine what that can do for grow and yield- explosive. BUT, I am attempt to get close to their results without the accum. They say I'm crazy (in so many words), but I am using almost everything they use sans the accum, solenoids, and < one second timer. My thought is if I can get close to their results the whole experience/learning curve is worth it. It wasn't wasy getting to where I am now, but I have a journal elsewhere documenting step-by-step in case you are interested
After that grow I bought a Sentinel MDT-1 timer, only to later find out it is not accurate at one second, and does not cycle below that. The TRUE HPA guys use an accumulator, solenoids, etc and run < 0.5 second wet cycles, followed by < 30 second dry cycles. This combination basically turns the root system into a 24/7 pig out, as the roots never get too wet/dry (full/hungry), consequently they eat all the time.
Imagine what that can do for grow and yield- explosive. BUT, I am attempt to get close to their results without the accum. They say I'm crazy (in so many words), but I am using almost everything they use sans the accum, solenoids, and < one second timer. My thought is if I can get close to their results the whole experience/learning curve is worth it. It wasn't wasy getting to where I am now, but I have a journal elsewhere documenting step-by-step in case you are interested
lordjin
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I'm interested. And although you don't know the details of my setup, I think, based upon your response, if done correctly, the answer to my question would be a resounding yes.
I've been doing a bit of research into that technology simply to broaden my horizons. It really does sound like the perfect balance of dry and wet, but not fully wet, is taking the base concept of hydro growing to the next level.
Thanks for being understanding and not shitting on my root picture. I think my roots exhibit some of the characteristics of true aero, if not being the actual cotton candy, but also understand that they are not quite there.
I went as far as checking out some manufacturer sites of the hp related gear... Looked like a space-age price tag. But I'm thinking all that stuff wouldn't exist just for the hell of it.
PetFlora
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I didn't shit on your root pic because I have had the same roots. As you know yield is pretty good via those roots, BUT, FPE, mj loves having CC roots, and shows that love in bigger badder buds- assuming you provide the right amount of light and food. No need to add PK boosters either, unless your nutrient is deficient. Also, you use very small amounts of nutes, so you can use better nutes. I am very happy with DM Gold, but their customer service SUCKS.
I bought the hp hardware from Reptile Basics: pump, fittings, tubing, mist heads (singles and doubles). The whole set up including Sentinel timer < $400. I tried to do it peace meal, thinking I could get by with a timer whose minimum on cycle is ~ 30 seconds, trust me, you have to get below 4 seconds to have a shot. Sentinel also makes a DT-1, which is not as fancy but costs a lot less. I do not think RB sells Sentinel, and they seem to be on back order a lot. Try www.cheaphydroponics.com
I bought the hp hardware from Reptile Basics: pump, fittings, tubing, mist heads (singles and doubles). The whole set up including Sentinel timer < $400. I tried to do it peace meal, thinking I could get by with a timer whose minimum on cycle is ~ 30 seconds, trust me, you have to get below 4 seconds to have a shot. Sentinel also makes a DT-1, which is not as fancy but costs a lot less. I do not think RB sells Sentinel, and they seem to be on back order a lot. Try www.cheaphydroponics.com
foresakenlion
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I'm so lost, one of you fine aero people had a method of connecting the quick connects, via a tee to the 1/8" npt on the cloudtops, I've decided to use them and here I am zig zagging all over the internet trying to find whoever mentioned they had a connection method, pray for me
Thanks for the read PetFlora, do you (or anyone else) think an inline check valve with a cracking pressure of 100psi (or your desired pressure) before the nozzles would help you achieve your goal of mimicking HPA results with an accumulator? Are there any implications on safety by doing this?