BHO/Budder

[707 Loki]

I just wanted to post this picture somewhere. I've been refining my BHO/Budder skills because I have reliable outlets at a few of the LA medical mj clubs. I have seen a lot of sub par concentrates around so I made it my mission to become a pro. The picture is of freshly blown Blue Cheese BHO, obviously it is still purging. I used large glass tubes with exactly 95 grams of extremely dry trim, ran two large cans of Power5x butane threw each.... Lets see, I used three cases of 12, which is 36 cans. 36 cans means 18 tubes blown. 18 tubes at 95 grams is.... 1710 Grams of trim... So... 3.5lb of trim. Wow, I didn't realize it was that much.
Anyway, a few minutes after I took the picture I started whipping it in an attempt to make 'Budder'. I'm doing a slow purge so its still in the pan on a heat pad, but it doesn't look like it is going to congeal like I'd hoped. A little soupy. I think it is because of a strain specific property. But, although it isn't exactly what I was going for, it is amazing quality.
I think tomorrow I will try again with OG trim and put 1 ounce dry sieve keif in the pan before blowing it. Which apparently is called Jellyhash.

I didn't find a good tutorial for making BHO type concentrates on this site so maybe I'll take on that challenge, there are a few good ones out there But I think I can do better. Yep, I'm gonna make it my mission to get one of my posts "Sticky" status.

 

[707 Loki]

On second look, I'm not sure this is the right forum... But I can't seem to find an appropriate place to post on the intricacies of extraction. Little Help?

 

[808toker]

They call it budder for a reason you gotta use BUD not trim....I made sooooooo many batchs of bho and the kind that likes to budder up are the strains that have more clear/cloudy thrichomes and it should be more fresh than dry....dry enough to smoke but not ready for cure...you want the stickyness of the bud to help the hash budder up. My strains almost budder right when the butane leaves....DO NOT WHIP UNTIL MAJORITY OF THE BUTANE HAS EVAPORATED. That is another reason for oily hash beacause if you whip the budder the oxygen that you whip into it will also whip a shitload of butane into your hash. Just do a double boil and replace the hot water until the batch stops bubbling. Then put it in the middle and whip. NO WHIPPING UNTIL THEN. when i do this i get budder almost instantly and it tastes SO GOOOD not like butane chemiacal crap and i dont lose SHIT. Thats all i have to say about that.

 

[707 Loki]

[They call it budder for a reason you gotta use BUD not trim....I made sooooooo many batchs of bho and the kind that likes to budder up are the strains that have more clear/cloudy trichomes and it should be more fresh than dry....dry enough to smoke but not ready for cure...]

Thanks for the tip(s). Although, Budder is a reference to consistency not plant material. And sativa strains sometimes do not like to budder up, Indicas do instantly. Which would lead me to believe trichrome head size plays a role.

 

[808toker]

[They call it budder for a reason you gotta use BUD not trim....I made sooooooo many batchs of bho and the kind that likes to budder up are the strains that have more clear/cloudy trichomes and it should be more fresh than dry....dry enough to smoke but not ready for cure...]

Thanks for the tip(s). Although, Budder is a reference to consistency not plant material. And sativa strains sometimes do not like to budder up, Indicas do instantly. Which would lead me to believe trichrome head size plays a role.

from my expirence its the opposite....lol all my sativa strains i made budder with made more white pure budder than my indicas which would make a more amber hash....i think its mainly the differnt cannabinoids that affect how it comes out. any strain will make "budder" they just all come out differnt

 

[Jakabok Botch]

On second look, I'm not sure this is the right forum... Little Help?

be patient...there are alot of ppl here who are pro at BHO....and theyre not usually far.......

 

[kbo ca]

did you guys know that it's now illegal to process, produce, posess, purchase and sell bho? All of the clubs that you vend to are operating illegally. Remember when you vend to clubs your name is on their books. You can thank the folks who didn't know what they were doing and blew themselves up in the process for this new law. I think when done responsibly, bho can be great. Only if the maker knows what he is doing and has a method to properly eradicate all of the solvent from the oil ( which isn't easy by any means). Fact is making this stuff isn't safe. Even though accidents are few and far between, they do happen. Respect.

 

[Sk306]

from my expirence its the opposite....lol all my sativa strains i made budder with made more white pure budder than my indicas which would make a more amber hash....i think its mainly the differnt cannabinoids that affect how it comes out. any strain will make "budder" they just all come out differnt

I have made pure white budder from kush, so you are wrong, sorry. I believe that it depends on how long the grower let it flower for because the trichromes will be clear if you cut early, milkly the longer u leave it, then finally turn amber. most people chop inbetween milky and amber i believe. but what exactly are you asking here about budder, just how to make it?

 

[808toker]

I have made pure white budder from kush, so you are wrong, sorry. I believe that it depends on how long the grower let it flower for because the trichromes will be clear if you cut early, milkly the longer u leave it, then finally turn amber. most people chop inbetween milky and amber i believe. but what exactly are you asking here about budder, just how to make it?

Haha i totally agree. It all depends on how your cannabinoids are developed....they will reflect how the hash comes out..

 

[colonuggs]

blonde budders fast.... amber takes longer to get to that state of budder....indica strains produce blonde....sativa strains produce amber

pre 98 bubba budder ....... trichs were amber when harvested....budder and bho is blonde...Color of your trichs plays no role in color of budder, its strain related.

 

[Sr. Verde]

Yep.

Thats a shit tonne of budder



Heres my oil.... I use a vacuum to pure my oil, rather than heat... I like the product that comes of it better than simply whipping. it's more of a SAP and smells better, and just (to me) handles better on a dabber.. two different strains

Whats up

I'm subbed, down to learn some new tricks! Share findings, etc.

 

[Sr. Verde]

did you guys know that it's now illegal to process, produce, posess, purchase and sell bho? All of the clubs that you vend to are operating illegally. Remember when you vend to clubs your name is on their books. You can thank the folks who didn't know what they were doing and blew themselves up in the process for this new law. I think when done responsibly, bho can be great. Only if the maker knows what he is doing and has a method to properly eradicate all of the solvent from the oil ( which isn't easy by any means). Fact is making this stuff isn't safe. Even though accidents are few and far between, they do happen. Respect.

So how do they (the people charging you with crimes) prove it was made with a solvent???


If Bubble hash is legal.... then on the books - make sure you are being paid for BUBBLE HASH..... whatever they sell it as is their problem.

 

[kbo ca]

So how do they (the people charging you with crimes) prove it was made with a solvent???


If Bubble hash is legal.... then on the books - make sure you are being paid for BUBBLE HASH..... whatever they sell it as is their problem.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. We all know that almost every collective has BHO on the shelf. They have to lie to keep it there. I prefer to stay away from clubs like this, because all it takes is one person to screw up. After that everyone involved gets a knock on the door.

Also, my thinking is, that we should be providing concentrates for folks with illnesses. That means it should be the cleanest, heathiest product possible. I enjoy a good clean dab, but only when extraction is done properly. There are too many people out there doing this improperly, using pvc, not fully purging all butane, whatever it may be. Believe it or not, some people that go to these clubs are very sick, and they need good strong clean medication. Some of these extracts can have serious negative effects on people with certain disorders. I know that BHo is the easy way to make full melt hash, but once you learn the art of making full melt bubble, it's much more rewarding, it tastes better, and its just as strong. And it also brings piece of mind when vending to clubs. You know whoever comes through and picks some up is going to have a pleasant experience and come back for more. Rather than spread negative word about your club about how the 'tane made em sick. Respect

 

[Sr. Verde]

Many dispensaries send their cannabis, and their concentrates into labs for GC MS testing..

So they know what's in there. THC content, CBD content, butane content, and impurity content.

I agree PVC is insanely stupid to use. Glass and stainless steel is not hard to find.

 

[kbo ca]

Many dispensaries send their cannabis, and their concentrates into labs for GC MS testing..

So they know what's in there. THC content, CBD content, butane content, and impurity content.

I agree PVC is insanely stupid to use. Glass and stainless steel is not hard to find.

some do send samples off to a lab. key words being some, and samples. The lab tests are inaccurate. They test a small sample of cannabis, or concentrate, then label the whole batch as such. Steep hill labs is the leader in cannabis testing. They state in some of their own videos and on their website that all categories of testing vary at different points on the plant. So the only accurate reading is on the sample piece that is sent in. Ever had mold on a plant?? I have. some of the bud had it, and some didn't. Yet i can get my whole crop stamped with the steephill certified clean cannabis seal by just sending in a couple of grams of the buds that didn't get mold on them. It's a good idea but not perfected. Also it costs quite a bit to do testing, and pay for shipping. I would rather buy some concentrate that has no posibility of having butane in it, just for medical reasons.

 

[kbo ca]

that second pic of the oil in the ashtray looks amazing i must say!!

 

[colonuggs]

oh yea .....love that shit

 

[Sr. Verde]

some do send samples off to a lab. key words being some, and samples. The lab tests are inaccurate. They test a small sample of cannabis, or concentrate, then label the whole batch as such. Steep hill labs is the leader in cannabis testing. They state in some of their own videos and on their website that all categories of testing vary at different points on the plant. So the only accurate reading is on the sample piece that is sent in. Ever had mold on a plant?? I have. some of the bud had it, and some didn't. Yet i can get my whole crop stamped with the steephill certified clean cannabis seal by just sending in a couple of grams of the buds that didn't get mold on them. It's a good idea but not perfected. Also it costs quite a bit to do testing, and pay for shipping. I would rather buy some concentrate that has no posibility of having butane in it, just for medical reasons.

We are talking about butane content though... Not mold .


Your saying you can run oil, get 5 grams..... and improperly purge only half of it?.... then send off .2 grams to the lab where they say its butane free... but really only half the sample is butane free?


When we are talking GC MS testing with BHO, I would say it's pretty accurate as far as impurities.... I would even go so far as to say that .2 grams of BHO would represent the entire batch, as far as cannabinoid content, butane content, and impurity content.


We are not talking moldy buds here, were talking about oil that is collected into a dish, then purged.... all at the same time.... the different parts of the cananbis plant doesn't really come into question..

 

[kbo ca]

We are talking about butane content though... Not mold .


Your saying you can run oil, get 5 grams..... and improperly purge only half of it?.... then send off .2 grams to the lab where they say its butane free... but really only half the sample is butane free?


When we are talking GC MS testing with BHO, I would say it's pretty accurate as far as impurities.... I would even go so far as to say that .2 grams of BHO would represent the entire batch, as far as cannabinoid content, butane content, and impurity content.


We are not talking moldy buds here, were talking about oil that is collected into a dish, then purged.... all at the same time.... the different parts of the cananbis plant doesn't really come into question..

but this is assuming that the test sample was from the batch of bho that is being sold to the collective. It's way to easy to get that stamp of approval on something you took your time on, then bring in something completley different. Now if the club buys the whole batch and sends part of that in, i believe you're right that one to two grams shouldn't vary enough to make a fuss about from the rest of the batch.

 

[Sr. Verde]

but this is assuming that the test sample was from the batch of bho that is being sold to the collective. It's way to easy to get that stamp of approval on something you took your time on, then bring in something completley different. Now if the club buys the whole batch and sends part of that in, i believe you're right that one to two grams shouldn't vary enough to make a fuss about from the rest of the batch.

It's pretty easy get an ounce of BHO.... let it sit in a LARGE container for a few days, maybe stir it like taffy once or twice.... then removing .2g from the 28g... and sending it in yourself?


Your assuming that dispensaries ask the salesman, for a .2g sample of oil before they buy the 28g. and after receiving a good sample test, they buy it..... they are not stupid, they were probably drug dealers before they profession went legal in their state.. they don't get conned easy.

I'm sure they are pulling their samples from one big pool. It's pretty easy to tell BHO apart..