The newbie needs help again!!!

JERBEAR69

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100_2046.jpg100_2048.jpg100_2049.jpgMy plant and seedlings are not doing so well.See pics and tell me what u think the problem is.my soil is kell100_2047.jpgogg premium potting soil.I water every third day with 16 oz of drinking water with 1 teaspoon of epson salt per gallon.Ph of water is 6.8.thanks100_2050.jpg
 

holdenlots

Active Member
1 teaspoon of epsom every water is too much for start i recon, too much mag will block out cal an vice versa you only really wanna add a little extra mag when you go into flower as they tend to want more of it then, looks like u got more than just one problem though, i do not have the experience to address them all hopefully others will have a go, best of luck dude, try give as much information as you can the more the better, have u given it any nutes?? also dose your soil come pre-mixed with any? how long has the plant been in the soil? anything u can think of
 

MoonRaver

Active Member
Wow.......... I'd get some soil from a local nursery and plant another seed. Bottled water isn't good for plants nor people "No need to explain". For water, just fill a clean milk jug and let it sit for 24 hours.
 

holdenlots

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Wow.......... I'd get some soil from a local nursery and plant another seed. Bottled water isn't good for plants nor people "No need to explain". For water, just fill a clean milk jug and let it sit for 24 hours.
sitting for 24hrs will sort the chlorine out an bring it up to room temp but thats about it, check your ph/ppms also maybe
 

JERBEAR69

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About 3 weeks ago i gave the plant formula flora grow nutes at 1/2 strenght.a week latter the yellowing started.i flushed the plant and have given them nothin but water with epson salt.im thinking maybe the soil is to rich with nutes and its burning my plants.
 

MoonRaver

Active Member
sitting for 24hrs will sort the chlorine out an bring it up to room temp but thats about it, check your ph/ppms also maybe
Tis a myth

Description :Yellow to red liquid or gas
Molecular formula: ClO2
Molecular weight: 67.45 g/mol
Density: 1.642 g/cm3 @ 0°C (liquid)
Boiling point: 9.9-11°C or 49.82- 51.8°F
Melting point: −59.5°C
Solubility: Soluble in water, alkaline and sulfuric acid solutions
 

holdenlots

Active Member
maybe or maybe it has none, and your feed wasnt enuff.. a ppm and ph meter would really help you, in A checking out the quality of the water you are feeding and B give you a clue as to whats in your soil by measuring your run off water
 

holdenlots

Active Member
Tis a myth

Description :Yellow to red liquid or gas
Molecular formula: ClO2
Molecular weight: 67.45 g/mol
Density: 1.642 g/cm3 @ 0°C (liquid)
Boiling point: 9.9-11°C or 49.82- 51.8°F
Melting point: −59.5°C
Solubility: Soluble in water, alkaline and sulfuric acid solutions
dunno what that means but my water always smells fresher when i let it sit for awhile, but if you disagree with it why do you suggest doing it?? just for the record my tap water sucks comes out at ph8.5.. only reason i suggest doing more to your water than let it sit for 24hrs
 

Kingrow1

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About 3 weeks ago i gave the plant formula flora grow nutes at 1/2 strenght.a week latter the yellowing started.i flushed the plant and have given them nothin but water with epson salt.im thinking maybe the soil is to rich with nutes and its burning my plants.
This is all your problems in a nutshell dude. Soil was strong, kellogs is a good recomended potting soil although i think you have the outdoor version by the looks of it and you didnt amend it with perlite either so first thing id change for the next grow, perlite for better drainage.

Now the bigger plants you have would have fared well in the soil had you not added those nutes but the small seedling or plant should really be in seedling soil, also again amended with perlite, for the reason that seedling soil contains lower nutes for the lower requirements of seedlings, is easy to buy and use.

Now you said the yellowing started after the nutes which seems obvious that you overferted the plant with the strong good soil and a flush just messed them up even worse. Was it a big flush cause if it was you probably took a lot of the nutes out of the soil without putting them back to the correct levels per size of plant.

One last thing id change for the next grow would also be to use smaller pots and pot up to bigger pots, in those big pots its hard to get the watering right plus has a lot of nutes to use up before needing more.

Practise healing this plant whilst starting the new batch.

Bottled water is not necessarialy bad for plants and some times is the best water available over tap water although price can become an issue. Most bottled water prints ingredients on the back as well as pH and dry residue at 180degrees celcius so if in doubt check the lable, tap water of 100 to 200ppm is usually perfect for plants and even better if it has the right cal/mag ratios as well. High pressure chlorine gas evaporates from water where as chloramides dont, depends what your municipal water supplier uses. People worry about chlorine but rarely are the levels enough to cause problems with plants although some do report unchlorinated water gives better plant growth it is easily seen that most chlorinated water has no visual negative effect on growth, maybe a concern in hydro or aero.

I would discontinue the epsom salts and just add once every few waterings if you suspect low magnesium levels. Peace and good luck.
 

303

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You have a lot of problems to start that purpling is a "P" def, or too cold but likely a "P" def my guess. Whats your nutrient program? Looks like all kinds of shit getting locked out, that soil is garbage. Why add epsom salt? If tap is that high in ph its likely hard as fuck water, your probably locking out cal mag as well. Keep it simple, stop adding epsom salt. Get a good nutrient program, my recommendation is general hydroponics 3 part flora seires. Its newb friendly, and comes with a good chart to set you on the right path, although you need to subtract 25% of what they're chart says to avoid burning them. Most all nutrient regiments have enough cal mag already in it. What instrument do you use to check ph and ppm, or do you even have those? These days they're super cheap on ebay.
 

303

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Wow.......... I'd get some soil from a local nursery and plant another seed. Bottled water isn't good for plants nor people "No need to explain". For water, just fill a clean milk jug and let it sit for 24 hours.
Most bottled water like dasani is ok, mostly treated with reverse osmosis. Less than 100 ppm generally. Bottles water is ok, but a $100 RO system pays itself off
 

303

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About 3 weeks ago i gave the plant formula flora grow nutes at 1/2 strenght.a week latter the yellowing started.i flushed the plant and have given them nothin but water with epson salt.im thinking maybe the soil is to rich with nutes and its burning my plants.
my add doesn't allow me to read all the thread my apologies i didn't see you already uses gh, how many ml of micro, grow, bloom did you use last? you do know the importance of adding micro first, then grow, then bloom? its a balance that is required, you must do this order everytime. Do those first then add your additives if you wish. I only use dry koolbloom week 6 of flower, i don't like the floracious grow or bloom, I've gotten rot from those in the past, but I'm hydro.
 

303

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So what should i do just flush it again and water as usual?
I would use some florakleen for the flush then next watering only ph'd water (6.5), then next watering after that add nutrients at very low dose minus that epsom salt. I'd go all three per gallon micro grow and bloom 2.5ml per gallon, should set you at 450-500ppm depending on your tap water. With this remedy they may not look great for a while but they're going through some shit, once they taste those nutrients in a week they should get better.
 

303

Well-Known Member
What's your take on flushing what do you do. Lets make sure you're doing everything correctly.
 

Kingrow1

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What's your take on flushing what do you do. Lets make sure you're doing everything correctly.
A correct flush-

Flush with pH7 water till the runoff reads almost pH7, basically the water in needs to read the water out and that way you know the soil is clean or flushed.
 

303

Well-Known Member
Tis a myth

Description :Yellow to red liquid or gas
Molecular formula: ClO2
Molecular weight: 67.45 g/mol
Density: 1.642 g/cm3 @ 0°C (liquid)
Boiling point: 9.9-11°C or 49.82- 51.8°F
Melting point: −59.5°C
Solubility: Soluble in water, alkaline and sulfuric acid solutions
Clarify these results, I don't understand
 

303

Well-Known Member
A correct flush-

Flush with pH7 water till the runoff reads almost pH7, basically the water in needs to read the water out and that way you know the soil is clean or flushed.
Ehhh. I don't know about that. What's your plan jerbear?
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Clarify these results, I don't understand
Hes describing chlorine for you, its colour, structure, weight of each molocule, density compared to water, boiling point, melting point and what it can be dissolved in for application purposes, just your basic rundown of chlorine. Peace
 

303

Well-Known Member
Say they're one gallon pots I'd run 3 gallons of full strength florakleen at 6.5. In my opinion a higher ph has no relevance. No disrespect. I see what your logic is, you want it neutral but these are plants that frown at 7.0, 6.3-6.6 is my desired ph on my soil plants. Again no disrespect.
 
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