Deep Purple. Different Phenotypes.

Budologist420

Budologist420

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At the beginning of the year i orded a 5 pack of deep purple seeds.

3 were female and two were males.

I discarded the 2 males and grew out the 3 females outdoors in roots organic soil then later in the ground.


Two of the females were VERY slow growing and almost purely erkle dominant. The nugs were extremely dark in color but were very small.


Theres was one female who noticeably grew a lot faster and branched out a lot farther and faster. This plant is about 5 weeks into flowering outdoors and its starting to get a nice purple tint on the very tips. The buds on this pheno were humongous compared to the very small erkle dominant nugs.

Smells like cotton candy, very sweet smelling. i love this pheno because it grows so much faster and larger than the other ones, its not as dark of a purple but its a huge producer!!!

i cant wait to cross it with a extremely dark strain i have called purple gorilla. it will be a super purple strain that does great outdoors.

anybody else growing Deep Purple and noticed these two different phenos?
 
skunkushybrid01

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got any pix?

a true purple plant grows purple buds and not purple leaves. If the leaves go purple then this shows it's either getting cold, the plant needs more P, or the plant can't take P properly.
 
Budologist420

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That's the reason I hate growing most purp strains because of how fucking slow they grow.



I got real lucky with this one pheno that grows way faster Ive taken clones to keep a mother indoors for the future. This pheno is something special.
 
Budologist420

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skunkushybrid01 said:
got any pix?

a true purple plant grows purple buds and not purple leaves. If the leaves go purple then this shows it's either getting cold, the plant needs more P, or the plant can't take P properly.
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I'll post some tomorro when it's light outside. It's not turning purp cus of the temps we've had a heat wave recently in San jose and the plant is showing no signs of deficiencies. It's the genetics causing it to slowly turn purple.
 
skunkushybrid01

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Budologist420 said:
I'll post some tomorro when it's light outside. It's not turning purp cus of the temps we've had a heat wave recently in San jose and the plant is showing no signs of deficiencies. It's the genetics causing it to slowly turn purple.
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Like i said.. if it's the leaves then this is not a true purple plant. purple strains have purple buds and green leaves.
 
Budologist420

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Like i said the very tips of some of the buds are starting to get a purple tint but you cant really tell in this picture. This pheno is absolutely amazing without the purple coloring, but that will make it so much better :)


The smell of it has my tongue begging to taste it.





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stonedmetalhead1

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skunkushybrid01 said:
got any pix?

a true purple plant grows purple buds and not purple leaves. If the leaves go purple then this shows it's either getting cold, the plant needs more P, or the plant can't take P properly.
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That is not true. There are many natural expressions a plant can have including purple leaves, not all purple bud has to have green leaves.
 
skunkushybrid01

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stonedmetalhead1 said:
That is not true. There are many natural expressions a plant can have including purple leaves, not all purple bud has to have green leaves.
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what isn't true?

obviously a purple strain can have purple leaves too, if it does then it is either unhealthy or nearing the end of the grow just like any othe rplant. the important part is the purple buds... if a plant has purple leaves but ordinary green calyxes then it is not a purple strain. this is my point.
 
subcool

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Cannabis floral clusters are basically green, but changes may take place later in the season, which alter the color to include various shades. The intense green of chlorophyll usually hides the color of accessory pigments, Chlorophyll starts to loose it’s vibrant green color late in the season and anthocyanin pigments also contained in the tissues are uncovered and the amazing colors are produced at this time. Purple, resulting from anthocyanin accumulation, is extremely common in Cannabis, this color modification is usually triggered by seasonal change, and also can be influenced indoor by a temperature drop of between 20-30 degrees.

This does not mean, however, that Purple is controlled by environment alone and it can be passed on genetically. For purple color to develop upon maturation, a strain must have the genetically controlled metabolic potential to make anthocyanin pigments and be responsiveness to environmental change such as cold nighttime temps. This means a strain can have the genetic potential to change color but if conditions never exist you may never know it. I have grown Jacks Cleaner for a long time and when I moved west and it found some dramatically cooler temps I got a nice maroon/ purple coloring at maturity.
There are other pigments that effect the color of mature cannabis for example Carotenoid is largely responsible for the yellow, orange, red, and brown colors in buds. I find this effect is much easier to accomplish in Organics and soil but in order to really call a strain Purple it needs to have more than colored outer leaves and the inner buds need to actually be Purple.

The first trick to inducing some good color change is what I like to call the “fade” this is when using an organic soil mix you achieve the perfect balance of N-P-K allowing the plant to use up all the available nitrogen and start loosing it’s Chlorophyll and the colored pigments are allowed to bleed through as the green fades. This can be achieved I am sure in Hydro as well but plants react so fast and absorb so well in water that its more normal for a hydro plant to be green and vibrant that multi colored like in soil organics.

The second thing that can really make a huge difference is a large temperature swing between day time and night time temps. The nice thing is with a simple A/c unit and a well built bud room it’s pretty easy to chill a 12x12 room to 60 degrees year round. That same room running 3000 watts will have a day time temperature of between 80-85 degrees making a 25 degree temperature swing. This will easily unlock that fall color hidden inside a strain provided the genetic coding is also there. I have to say from experience it’s a trait of a large percentage of Cannabis that I have grown. Bringing in outside air in colder climates can also be helpful in adding some color as well as keeping bugs in check and a bud room can stand bitter cold if your not worried about reservoir temps.

Last proper application of nutrients is very important if you jack up the N far into bud your not going to see this fading and you may even effect the taste I have found plants that faded to early actually tasted sweeter but then you hurt your yields. Using a good catalyst can also help a lot as the citric acid and sugars seem to speed up the maturation process I currently use sweet leaf at week 4 and week 6. There are many good products and many old timers even make up there own using cane sugar and citric acid but I think the big companies have better research to support there recipes.

From "The Color Purple" by Subcool

Featured Strain Deep Purple
 

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skunkushybrid01

skunkushybrid01

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the purple strains i've grown have had purple calyxes from the start... none of them had purple leaves.

all chilling the room will do is slow down P trasnsport and this will affect the leaves and stems first as the plant will move the P to the buds for better development, so the calyxes themselves will still stay green. to get purple calyxes from the start takes a genetic disposition that isn't triggered by environment. that purple plant in my pic was grown alongside lots of other green ones of different strains, as i ran a perpetual with 10 mother plants. that purple plant was bred by a friend of mine, called Black Haze, or it may have been Purple Rain by another friend... i've had two purple strains, as i didn't believe they existed at one time... two friends set out to prove me wrong.

so i grew those purple strains with deep scepticism, environment was the same as it always was and i never get purple calyxes. so those plants definitely had the genetic disposition to grow purple calyxes without environmental influences.

all plants will go purple in the right environment... but i don't think that is what we should look for in a purple plant... if the environment causes the change then it is not a true purple strain.
 
Budologist420

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Its getting nice and cold in San Jose. Hopefully by the end of the week she starts showing some really nice purple coloring :)
 
mccumcumber

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all plants will go purple in the right environment... but i don't think that is what we should look for in a purple plant... if the environment causes the change then it is not a true purple strain.
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You're kind of right... all plants will go purple in the right environment, however, there is no such thing as a "true" purple strain. Some plants just turn purple at higher temps than others. Especially plants that are acclimatized to regions that 100+ every day in the summer (any African/South American strain).
 
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