Lighting & Lumens

[Chinga_2_Madre]

CFL's are a half assed approach to growing and if you want the best results, you select HID.

When you hear the arguement that CFL's cost less, run....that is a saleman.

You can get HID's on E-Bay which are the same cost as CFL's and sometimes even cheaper. CFL's give off heat contrary to what you read. HID's give off even more heat but here is the catch, heat is heat and a difference of 15-25 degrees does not mean shit when you have ventilation and yes you better have some type of ventilation. When you get to 1,000 watt HID's, think about sealed and air cooled hoods if you are in a grow room which gets hot (over 90+ degrees).

Adding CO2 allows you to operate at temps around 100 degrees but nute and water uptake is also accelerated so heads up.

 

[Godkas]

If that wasnt the most one sided opinion ever....

I can almost garantee the ability to recreate HPS quality lighting (AND YES EVEN THE RESIN PRODUCTION AND DENSE NUGGIES) using CFL and UV-b lighting.

Please dont tell people there is ONE WAY to grow pot. Look around and check the requirements for plants and match up color spectrum in kelvin to the current stage you are growing in (im using both blue and red spectrum for vegging and they look perky.

Some people are unable to OPERATE a HID and spend wads of cash on enefficiencies (and dont give me the cheaper bullcrap CFL is WAY cheaper I've done the math) its not the bulbs its the #$%#^ expensive ballast. And I know someones gonna flame about being cheap again but goddamnit if i WERE a dealer id already have 200 bucks for the starts. I could create the sun in that box using just CFL with that much.

 

[311grower]

I dunno. I don't know much about growing. I've done it 3 times, before with grow tubes from w*mart, and each time it flowered the buds were looser than a $2 hooker, This time i bumped up to 400 w MH/HPS set up, and my plants are flourishing in the light. They have probably quadrupled in size in the 1.5 weeks they have been under the MH....

Im not saying CFL is wrong, my beliefs are there is a perfect light for every growing situation. BUT in my honest opinion, if you can afford the HID (mine was $175 complete[2 bulbs, ballast, reflector]) go with it.

 

[Godkas]

I think the best arguement to use HID lighting is its projection intensity. Though for me this causes a problem with heat... Heat + cardboard = fire.

 

[311grower]

yeah, just as I said, for every growing situation, there is the appropriate light....I had to construct my own air cooled hood to deal with the heat....its bad ass too

 

[babygro]

You can get HID's on E-Bay which are the same cost as CFL's and sometimes even cheaper. CFL's give off heat contrary to what you read. HID's give off even more heat but here is the catch, heat is heat and a difference of 15-25 degrees does not mean shit when you have ventilation and yes you better have some type of ventilation. When you get to 1,000 watt HID's, think about sealed and air cooled hoods if you are in a grow room which gets hot (over 90+ degrees).

Gosh, this is fun - another asshole to slam dunk.

"CFL's are a half assed approach to growing and if you want the best results, you select HID."

CFL and fluorescents offer a cost effective way to produce buds that HID users pay up to 30-50% more to produce for a marginal increase in yield and quality. If you're happy wasting your money in that way - don't let me stop you.

"You can get HID's on E-Bay which are the same cost as CFL's and sometimes even cheaper. "

Purchase price is not where the extra cost is coming from - it's in the running costs, with HID systems costing up to 30-50% more in running costs than equivalent PAR rated CFL and fluorescent systems.

"CFL's give off heat contrary to what you read. "

I've never stated that CFLs and fluorescents don't give off any heat, I've stated that HPS systems produce a lot more heat due to the large amounts of infra-red heat they emit.

"HID's give off even more heat but here is the catch, heat is heat and a difference of 15-25 degrees does not mean shit when you have ventilation and yes you better have some type of ventilation."

Well that's where you've got your head very firmly shoved up your ass. Ventilation does NOT remove the potentially harmful infra-red heat radiation from HPS systems, because it's radiated heat NOT convected heat - aka

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Now, also consider Infra Red heat is not effected by convection or conduction cooling technology, (electric fans and water cooled"cool tubes") it is radiation, not conduction or convection. This is why the INTENSITY of the (poor light quality) HID lamp can be used to cover large areas, if you bring the lamp too close you will radiate your plants with horrid IR heat, HID lamps and all ballasts must be kept a safe distance away from the plants to avoid IR radiation damage.

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Source: PURple for the highest quality

"When you get to 1,000 watt HID's, think about sealed and air cooled hoods if you are in a grow room which gets hot (over 90+ degrees)."

See quote above.

"Adding CO2 allows you to operate at temps around 100 degrees but nute and water uptake is also accelerated so heads up."

I don't really see what the use of co2 has to do with comparisons beween CFL and fluarescent systems and HIDS. And 85 degress is the optimal temperature for co2 use, not 100.

Finally you may get marginally more yield with HPS systems, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the quality is better aka -

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The difference between Fluorescent and High Intensity Discharge lamps, and it's significance in the application to plant growing seems rarely understood and/or explained honestly.

So, we've tried to do this, nurturelite manufacture and supply all types of lighting, so we do not have favorites, in our opinion, all photon generators (lamps) are are equal & beautiful.
Like people, some light types may be better at different applications to others.

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Strictly nurturelite fluorescent only example: 10 x 200w (2000w) nurturelite PURple red lamps produced same yield as crop did with 3 x 600w (1800w) HPS, but the grower reported that although quantity/yield was fractionally down, the QUALITY was up massively, because there is so little heat, all of the "qualitative" characteristics of the plant tops are not "evaporated" by IR heat. this is especially relevant during the flowering stage when plant surfaces in the flower region are particularly photoponically sensitive and vulnerable to humidity and over-heating problems.

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Source PURple for the highest quality

 

[Chinga_2_Madre]

CFL's are for kindergardeners.

HID's are for elementary schooler and up.

If you are going to do it, do it right and not half-assed.

CFL's = Halfassed

HID's = I have my shit together

Cut and dry and to the point.

 

[babygro]

I dunno. I don't know much about growing. I've done it 3 times, before with grow tubes from w*mart, and each time it flowered the buds were looser than a $2 hooker, This time i bumped up to 400 w MH/HPS set up, and my plants are flourishing in the light. They have probably quadrupled in size in the 1.5 weeks they have been under the MH....

May I ask what wattage and quantity of tubes you used and what their kelvin colour temperature was? Because if you're going to compare its results with that of a 400w HPS, I think it's only fair you give the details of your fluorescent setup.

 

[Chinga_2_Madre]

Gosh, this is fun - another asshole to slam dunk.

"CFL's are a half assed approach to growing and if you want the best results, you select HID."

CFL and fluorescents offer a cost effective way to produce buds that HID users pay up to 30-50% more to produce for a marginal increase in yield and quality. If you're happy wasting your money in that way - don't let me stop you.

"You can get HID's on E-Bay which are the same cost as CFL's and sometimes even cheaper. "

Purchase price is not where the extra cost is coming from - it's in the running costs, with HID systems costing up to 30-50% more in running costs than equivalent PAR rated CFL and fluorescent systems.

"CFL's give off heat contrary to what you read. "

I've never stated that CFLs and fluorescents don't give off any heat, I've stated that HPS systems produce a lot more heat due to the large amounts of infra-red heat they emit.

"HID's give off even more heat but here is the catch, heat is heat and a difference of 15-25 degrees does not mean shit when you have ventilation and yes you better have some type of ventilation."

Well that's where you've got your head very firmly shoved up your ass. Ventilation does NOT remove the potentially harmful infra-red heat radiation from HPS systems, because it's radiated heat NOT convected heat - aka

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Now, also consider Infra Red heat is not effected by convection or conduction cooling technology, (electric fans and water cooled"cool tubes&quot it is radiation, not conduction or convection. This is why the INTENSITY of the (poor light quality) HID lamp can be used to cover large areas, if you bring the lamp too close you will radiate your plants with horrid IR heat, HID lamps and all ballasts must be kept a safe distance away from the plants to avoid IR radiation damage.

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Source: PURple for the highest quality

"When you get to 1,000 watt HID's, think about sealed and air cooled hoods if you are in a grow room which gets hot (over 90+ degrees)."

See quote above.

"Adding CO2 allows you to operate at temps around 100 degrees but nute and water uptake is also accelerated so heads up."

I don't really see what the use of co2 has to do with comparisons beween CFL and fluarescent systems and HIDS. And 85 degress is the optimal temperature for co2 use, not 100.

Finally you may get marginally more yield with HPS systems, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the quality is better aka -

Quote:

The difference between Fluorescent and High Intensity Discharge lamps, and it's significance in the application to plant growing seems rarely understood and/or explained honestly.

So, we've tried to do this, nurturelite manufacture and supply all types of lighting, so we do not have favorites, in our opinion, all photon generators (lamps) are are equal & beautiful.
Like people, some light types may be better at different applications to others.

Snip

Strictly nurturelite fluorescent only example: 10 x 200w (2000w) nurturelite PURple red lamps produced same yield as crop did with 3 x 600w (1800w) HPS, but the grower reported that although quantity/yield was fractionally down, the QUALITY was up massively, because there is so little heat, all of the "qualitative" characteristics of the plant tops are not "evaporated" by IR heat. this is especially relevant during the flowering stage when plant surfaces in the flower region are particularly photoponically sensitive and vulnerable to humidity and over-heating problems.

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Source PURple for the highest quality

You are obvously in over your head and now talking out of your ass. I would rather be an assshole who tells the truth than someone who pretends to know what they are talking about. I have grown longer than you have been alive and I read your attempts to dazzle with cut and paste and disjointed logic on light theory. I am trying to help you look a bit less foolish by your stupid and basically ignorant claims. HID is superior lighting for growing versus CFL's. To argue this point shows you do not know shit about growing but like to cut and paste your position. Dude that is full of shit posting. I know it and the broken down fence post in the north forty knows it. Get off your CFL horse because you look like the forum idiot to experienced growers who know what the fuc works the best instead of what you read off the cereal box.

Baffling them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit is what you are doing.

Enough of the tired act and grow the fuck up and if you do not know what the fuc you are talking about then just do not post. It is embarassing.Moral of the story.....dumbshits exists even in here.

Bravo.

 

[babygro]

You are obvously in over your head and now talking out of your ass. I would rather be an assshole who tells the truth than someone who pretends to know what they are talking about. I have grown longer than you have been alive and I read your attempts to dazzle with cut and paste and disjointed logic on light theory. I am trying to help you look a bit less foolish by your stupid and basically ignorant claims. HID is superior lighting for growing versus CFL's. To argue this point shows you do not know shit about growing but like to cut and paste your position. Dude that is full of shit posting. I know it and the broken down fence post in the north forty knows it. Get off your CFL horse because you look like the forum idiot to experienced growers who know what the fuc works the best instead of what you read off the cereal box.

Baffling them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit is what you are doing.

Enough of the tired act and grow the fuck up and if you do not know what the fuc you are talking about then just do not post. It is embarassing.Moral of the story.....dumbshit exists even in here.Bravo.

Yes, quite.

Shall we just let others decide for themselves what and who they choose to beleive?

Yes, I think thats the best thing to do.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Godkas]

Chinga_2_Madre:

No offense but your name is fuck your mother. Your credability has been lost before it began. Only an idiot or a child would use such a name.

 

[videoman40]

As much as I hate to post here, a common misconception about heat. Both lights create heat, however an hps light is focused and as such, so is the heat, in only a very small area. Flouros give off there heat over a much larger area, and as such is easier to dis-spell. But they both give off equal amounts of heat, watt for watt.

 

[splifman]

I think babygro puts forth some good evidence on CFL's efficiency and benefits, and why they might be very useful, if for nothing else, for vegging. It has caused me to look into the matter in more detail and do my own research. I find that talk is cheap, especially on this site. And all info that is attained here, although helpful, should be researched and double checked to avoid misguidance.
For some one to come on here and say something is the best, just because it's the best, does not hold any kind of ground against an arguement that is based clearly on facts that have been presented.
There is always the arguement that those facts are taken out of context or scewed in some way. From what I have read on my own, it does not appear this way, but I haven't confirmed absolutely everything that has been said.

But the point is, to come on here and just bash a lighting technique that is not as common or as traditional as HID, with no apparent facts to back it up, is clearly foolish in itself.

 

[babygro]

As much as I hate to post here, a common misconception about heat. Both lights create heat, however an hps light is focused and as such, so is the heat, in only a very small area. Flouros give off there heat over a much larger area, and as such is easier to dis-spell. But they both give off equal amounts of heat, watt for watt.

Yes they do give out the same amount of heat watt for watt, but HPS systems give out a lot more infra-red heat due to the large amounts of red and far infra-red heat they emit at that end of the spectrum

How many more times do I have to say the same fucking thing before you intellectually challenged morons understand it?

 

[ngtybear]

C2M, you pop in and I suspect you will be gone as fast. We all piss on each other corn flakes from time to time, but in most cases with a certain level of class. Something, based on your nic, you lack.

Less important, your wrong. Many of us have see the results of a CFL setup done right. I use both HPS and CFL. I can afford which ever I wish. I suspect in the future it will be far more CFL than HID.

When your gone we will still be here pissing each other off, watching Baby gro spin on Toke and all laughing about it in private messages. More important, we will still be growing, still be having fun and still be showing each other a certain level of respect, even if we are all dicks from time to time.

In short... go pound sand.

-ngtybear

 

[Chinga_2_Madre]

Chinga_2_Madre:

No offense but your name is fuck your mother. Your credability has been lost before it began. Only an idiot or a child would use such a name.

Continue to base your discrimination on a posting handle. Pendejo.

It actually means to beat up your mother and does not mean to fuck your mother but those who are ignorant seem to think so.

"Chingar" means to beat up literally. How do I know this? I won FIRST PLACE in the National Spanish Exam and am fluent (reading and writing) but since you seem to know better than me - you of course must be right.

 

[311grower]

yeah, this thread is too intense for me, or Im too high....one of the 2. I got my lights, they work-everyone else you are happy with your lights, let it be, its just a simple case of "to each, their own"

Peace

 

[ngtybear]

Why I think it is funny when baby gro says this shit, I have no idea... Every time I laugh. I read this thread for the pure humor.

 

[Godkas]

Hey just a question has anyone done a lumen check on their HPS system? I know CFL's are tested on open 360* light are HPS tested and rated in a reflected ballast?

C2M ignored.

 

[Godkas]

And for the record. It doesnt matter what it means its still in bad taste and shows everyone your intelligence level before they read your post.

Spanish profanity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (ctrl+f "Chinga tu madre") "Fuck your mother!"

(Thinking a native South Texan doesnt know Spanish is foolish.)

Edit: ( Where I come from mexicans get the shit beat out of them for saying that. We honor our mothers greatly. )