List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

ziggittyzag420

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Ahhhh, we're getting better here, me likes. The big question then becomes, what is progressing? No one says to keep curiosity to a minimum, but they do say, often idirectly of course, that true understanding can become a rationalization for evil. For example, there was a certain baby born premature, sickly, very likely to die with a mother who had a history of unsuccessful pregnancies. Our ethics say a doctor saving such baby is a good thing. A true understanding of all events associated with it, which is impossible to have at the time, might say otherwise. Pragmatically speaking though it could be the best thing to just let the baby die. If we did that, let the baby die, people would certainly say its an entirely horrible thing. However a true understanding might rationalize away the evilness. Knowing that said baby would later grow up to write a.book detailing "his struggle" and eventually instigating a system of facism that ended up killing scores of millions of europeans and defaming germany for generations to come. I know the hitler example is played out, but it brings a point to my statement about the assumption of true understanding being a rationalization for evil. If you desire, apply the previous patern to stem cell research and christians.

I suppose after all that ots hard to find the tangibility of that...damn lemon haze :-)

Point being, the church does advize away from attempting a true understanding of things from all angles as arationalization for evils. Think, have you ever read the satanic bible? Given it is the antithesis of the Bible I would say it is worth understanding so as to in the least know how to counter argue it. However, you would be advised by the church to not do it, not not seek undestanding from all sides.
well thats what religon is,if you believe in God and follow christian teachings,than obviously every other religon is wrong because you believe yours is right.Its just a human thing. And Filthy Phil,you listen to Cradle of Filth?just curious
 

eye exaggerate

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Ahhhh, we're getting better here, me likes. The big question then becomes, what is progressing? No one says to keep curiosity to a minimum, but they do say, often idirectly of course, that true understanding can become a rationalization for evil. For example, there was a certain baby born premature, sickly, very likely to die with a mother who had a history of unsuccessful pregnancies. Our ethics say a doctor saving such baby is a good thing. A true understanding of all events associated with it, which is impossible to have at the time, might say otherwise. Pragmatically speaking though it could be the best thing to just let the baby die. If we did that, let the baby die, people would certainly say its an entirely horrible thing. However a true understanding might rationalize away the evilness. Knowing that said baby would later grow up to write a.book detailing "his struggle" and eventually instigating a system of facism that ended up killing scores of millions of europeans and defaming germany for generations to come. I know the hitler example is played out, but it brings a point to my statement about the assumption of true understanding being a rationalization for evil. If you desire, apply the previous patern to stem cell research and christians.

I suppose after all that ots hard to find the tangibility of that...damn lemon haze :-)

Point being, the church does advize away from attempting a true understanding of things from all angles as arationalization for evils. Think, have you ever read the satanic bible? Given it is the antithesis of the Bible I would say it is worth understanding so as to in the least know how to counter argue it. However, you would be advised by the church to not do it, not not seek undestanding from all sides.

...I can surely agree with some points here, but I'll say this in regard to what the church teaches / has taught me. "Go for it." That's what they say / have said to me on numerous occasions. Go for it. At the end of the day, we follow ourselves no matter what we believe. I am sure that all 'systems' know this. The safety net is there. Even a pure scientist can fall into mania and make questionable judgements. A system becomes like a red thread to follow back.

And they do say that knowledge is evil - you won't be able to be your childlike, selfish self again once you know all are one. To an ego, that's fckn hell! :)
 

Filthy Phil

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well thats what religon is,if you believe in God and follow christian teachings,than obviously every other religon is wrong because you believe yours is right.Its just a human thing. And Filthy Phil,you listen to Cradle of Filth?just curious
...I can surely agree with some points here, but I'll say this in regard to what the church teaches / has taught me. "Go for it." That's what they say / have said to me on numerous occasions. Go for it. At the end of the day, we follow ourselves no matter what we believe. I am sure that all 'systems' know this. The safety net is there. Even a pure scientist can fall into mania and make questionable judgements. A system becomes like a red thread to follow back.

And they do say that knowledge is evil - you won't be able to be your childlike, selfish self again once you know all are one. To an ego, that's fckn hell! :)
So then would it be safe to make the generalization the christianity, in ways , discourages degrees of free thinking at least?

And if so, can this be applied to modern science, ie. Carbon dating, cloning technology, stem cell research, and aspects of the human genome project? There are numerous historical examples, but how about these current ones? Any inhibitory views from the church on these?

And no, no cradle of filth... Filthy phil filanthropist, its a song, google it, and a hells angel founder, and a name dubbed me years ago...and it was my divine halo handle
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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makes me laugh when i see christians on here complaining about being called dumb ...........how much dumber can you get than , belief without evidence .
 

eye exaggerate

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So then would it be safe to make the generalization the christianity, in ways , discourages degrees of free thinking at least?

And if so, can this be applied to modern science, ie. Carbon dating, cloning technology, stem cell research, and aspects of the human genome project? There are numerous historical examples, but how about these current ones? Any inhibitory views from the church on these?
...if I can be allowed to joke about it, then yes! :) Without a tether all I can see is people flailing in the wind, or dropping like Icarus.

I don't think that I am in a position to be talking about the church's views on those subjects - I don't even know if churches agree with each other on them... especially if they're protestant ;) (I kidd)

There is no clear decision that I've read about the nature of length of 'times' quoted in the bible. And I am sure that (those forms of research) are ethical nightmares for anyone involved. Besides, isn't the group with the most cash going to 'win' anyway?
 

olylifter420

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no, you see, that is where you are wrong masa... i dont read the bible cause i just dont read it... my Faith is in God and whether you like it or not, it does not bother me... my faith is unchanged


Well, when the majority of "christians" define their faith it usually includes faith IN the bible no?
 

olylifter420

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this is the message we have been trying to send to you all, but you just never got because you do not consider our side.

to deny that evolution does not occur is a retard of a statement. there is plenty of evidence that cannot in my opinion be countered by any claim. If you understand it, there is no reason why one should not accept it.. now that is where our belief well at least mine falls, i understand what why i have my faith and that is a completely personal experience that cannot be replicated in a lab or anywhere else. A unique individual experience of the mind and body and soul



Thank you heph, you are building points for yourself in my opinion, I am begining to appreciate your....paradigm view of the world. However, the whole judeao christian establishment disagrees with you on the "undeniable evidence " part. Hence one of our complaints for the list. Your veiws are seeming more and more interesting, however, they arent really congrous with the predominant views of the church
 

olylifter420

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I believe in God, but i do not consider my belief to be supreme over all other religions. Everyone is a person with their own mind and with the ability to think for themselves and choose what they see fit. I am no one to tell you or anyone else what to think or what to believe in. That is where a lot of these atheists are wrong, they think since we believe in God, everything else is no good. I am not that way and think many others are not either.


well thats what religon is,if you believe in God and follow christian teachings,than obviously every other religon is wrong because you believe yours is right.Its just a human thing. And Filthy Phil,you listen to Cradle of Filth?just curious
 

blazinkill504

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and what most of you non-believers dont grasp is that even if you prove that the religions of the world are wrong and their gods dont exist...does that mean a god doesnt exist? thats a pretty bold statement for any human to make.
 

olylifter420

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So then would it be safe to make the generalization the christianity, in ways , discourages degrees of free thinking at least?
no, it is not safe to say that. I am not hindered in my free thinking because i believe in God. what degrees are you referring to?

the human genome project?
i think the human genome project is a discrimination towards individuals with genetic abnormalities. We discussed this in one of my anthro classes, i just wish i had access to my discussions to post on here, but i dont.
 

Hepheastus420

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Thank you heph, you are building points for yourself in my opinion, I am begining to appreciate your....paradigm view of the world. However, the whole judeao christian establishment disagrees with you on the "undeniable evidence " part. Hence one of our complaints for the list. Your veiws are seeming more and more interesting, however, they arent really congrous with the predominant views of the church
thanks man.

But this is why I have a problem with people grouping Christians together. I personally know many Christians that know the bible seems a little on the crazy side.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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heph seriousley you are unrecognisable as a christian , it seems you think you can make up your own little version of christianity , and that seems to be your answer to everything now 'not all christians do that ' a real christian should be like that westbourough church lot , at least they actualy live upto gods word lol .
 

Hepheastus420

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heph seriousley you are unrecognisable as a christian , it seems you think you can make up your own little version of christianity , and that seems to be your answer to everything now 'not all christians do that ' a real christian should be like that westbourough church lot , at least they actualy live upto gods word lol .
Lol, obviously you have no idea of how religion works. I make conclusions based on scriptures.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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99% of christians i have ever met would honestly say you are not a christian , and that you have made up your own cult ,using the name 'christianity' to gain some kind of credability for your cult .
 

Hepheastus420

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99% of christians i have ever met would honestly say you are not a christian , and that you have made up your own cult ,using the name 'christianity' to gain some kind of credability for your cult .
Hmm no wonder you don't like Christians. The Christians you know are just as judgmental as you.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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i just think your a very confused bean . you admit you believe in a god with no evidence of his existance , and now each day you distance yourself more from what we all know as christianity .i really think you should start over with your thoughts n beliefs and really think about what it is you actually believe in , if anything .
 
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