List of Things Christianity Has Made Worse

Heisenberg

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yes i agree heph has got more inteligent since questioning his beliefs , ( pats him on back ) .
Hep and Oly have both made efforts to understand and improve their positions without actually giving them up, proving that it is possible to gain the respect of atheists while simultaneously disagreeing with them. This is something that should be remembered by believers and non-believers alike. Errors and mistakes are one thing, conduct and attitude are another. The differences in our beliefs is a good reason to laugh, a good reason to talk, and and even a good reason to get angry at times. It is not a good reason to hate, exclude or engage in segregation.
 

olylifter420

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yea, i question them some times and wonder. I think everyone questions what they believe in every once in a blue moon... No harm done in that i think...

complacency is the first step to failure.



I'm sure oly questions his beliefs. Besides, questioning your beliefs doesn't show your level of intelligence.
 

boneheadbob

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I hit bottom and accepted Jesus as my Saviour. My life took a 180 turn
I am still a sinner but because of the Lords grace I work at being a better human and I will spend eternity in Heaven with the Creator of the universe. And all I had to do was accept a free gift that has changed hundreds of millions of souls over two centuries.

Many will scoff at the notion nonetheless
The Bible is ALIVE and filled with wisdom.

Thats my story and I am sticking to it :hump:
 

boneheadbob

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Holy smokes, I just realized today is the 9th. I took my last drink on 11-8-92, walked into AA on the 9th and turned my life over to Christ on the 15th.

It may not be for everyone but it has worked for me. Heisinberg is right. We still have more in common and we should not let this keep us from being civil twords each other.The Bible does not say keep hounding people untill they say yes.

The Bible says give them the news and if they do not accept it then knock the dust of your sandels and move on. I can find the verse
Matthew 10-14 Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
 

boneheadbob

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Here is something you may find interesting. In the past 18 years I have been a construction sub contractor. I have dealt with hundreds of generals. Arabs, persians, jews, mormons, catholics, heathens and born againers.

By far the worse to deal with were born againers. See them in Church or Bible study, talk about the Lord on the job and then turn around and watch them pull all sorts of underhanded crap related to making money.

Point is Christians are just like everyone else. Having a relationship with Jesus does not make us better then others. We feel very strongly that we should plant seeds (some go overboard) but try not to hold all of us responsible for the actions of a few.
 

eye exaggerate

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Here is something you may find interesting. In the past 18 years I have been a construction sub contractor. I have dealt with hundreds of generals. Arabs, persians, jews, mormons, catholics, heathens and born againers.

By far the worse to deal with were born againers. See them in Church or Bible study, talk about the Lord on the job and then turn around and watch them pull all sorts of underhanded crap related to making money.

Point is Christians are just like everyone else. Having a relationship with Jesus does not make us better then others. We feel very strongly that we should plant seeds (some go overboard) but try not to hold all of us responsible for the actions of a few.
...very well said, and thanks for posting this.

I am catholic, and have worked with a range of believers. I agree that the born againers are... (add your own description here). I watched a lot of them tear down other people for their beliefs - mine included. One in particular still drank beer (and hid that). He commented about my pot smoking. I reminded him, kindly, that hops and weed are pretty close cousins. He laughed. So, I said "when you drink are you chemically altered?" he said "well sure!". I walked away from that conversation right there. He'd make fun of the catholic services - which he had never been to for experience or perspective. He'd make fun of nuns and so on. There are nuns in my family (relatives) and I am no where near as 'pleasant' as they are when confronted and he was crossing lines like mad. But, instead of trashing him physically or otherwise, I basically told him to 'Catholic my left nut' and moved on. If course, his reply would be something like "see, MY glory makes you walk away, it's the truth and you can't stand it".

I've said it before and I'll say it again... a lot of those people are in it for family money. And, a lot of them are truly great people too. I have no problems saying that. I just don't get the 'lesser believer' sht.
 

tyler.durden

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...very well said, and thanks for posting this.

I am catholic, and have worked with a range of believers. I agree that the born againers are... (add your own description here). I watched a lot of them tear down other people for their beliefs - mine included. One in particular still drank beer (and hid that). He commented about my pot smoking. I reminded him, kindly, that hops and weed are pretty close cousins. He laughed. So, I said "when you drink are you chemically altered?" he said "well sure!". I walked away from that conversation right there. He'd make fun of the catholic services - which he had never been to for experience or perspective. He'd make fun of nuns and so on. There are nuns in my family (relatives) and I am no where near as 'pleasant' as they are when confronted and he was crossing lines like mad. But, instead of trashing him physically or otherwise, I basically told him to 'Catholic my left nut' and moved on. If course, his reply would be something like "see, MY glory makes you walk away, it's the truth and you can't stand it".

I've said it before and I'll say it again... a lot of those people are in it for family money. And, a lot of them are truly great people too. I have no problems saying that. I just don't get the 'lesser believer' sht.
Hey, Eye. I was raised Catholic, too. It's okay to kiss a nun, but don't get into the Habit ;)
 

Zankera

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Hi

Just it is to be seems that about right considering during the christian Renaissance they did burn anything that went against there believes i.e. science,yet agree so so,
 

VILEPLUME

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I am a Christian and I think this is a great thread. Not because it bashes Christians but because I can learn from it.

And I agree, if Christians actually acted and lived how Jesus did, we would be at a much better time in history. Shit, I think I just judged...
 

Padawanbater2

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I am a Christian and I think this is a great thread. Not because it bashes Christians but because I can learn from it.

And I agree, if Christians actually acted and lived how Jesus did, we would be at a much better time in history. Shit, I think I just judged...
How Jesus lived and what Christianity teaches are two different things I'm afraid.

Someone post the Ghandi quote, you know the one I'm talking about..
 

VILEPLUME

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How Jesus lived and what Christianity teaches are two different things I'm afraid.
I know what you mean, I always look at war. Say if America was a real "Christian Nation", the bible says that the 2nd most important commandment is to love others and if someone strikes us on the left cheek we turn the right. But instead we are like a sheep in wolves clothing and come at you with everything because...? Well, because America isn't a Christian nation. People are praised if they have lots of money, or are famous or any other materialistic thing that doesnt really matter in life.

"The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable." - Manning, Brennan
 

eye exaggerate

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I know what you mean, I always look at war. Say if America was a real "Christian Nation", the bible says that the 2nd most important commandment is to love others and if someone strikes us on the left cheek we turn the right. But instead we are like a sheep in wolves clothing and come at you with everything because...? Well, because America isn't a Christian nation. People are praised if they have lots of money, or are famous or any other materialistic thing that doesnt really matter in life.

"The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable." - Manning, Brennan
...to some degree what is important is being as honest as you can with people. Kind of like - tell it like it is. All the hiding about this and that causes complexes and then groupings of complexes. If what is at the heart of a community is dishonesty, then that community mocks itself.

As always, I think it's the people and not the structure they choose to anchor to. Compassion and forgiveness can't be worn out in and of themselves, they are infinite. People / personas though, well...not so much :)

Really though, a person's religious brand is not the person. No more than the mind is the person.
 

tyler.durden

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How Jesus lived and what Christianity teaches are two different things I'm afraid.

Someone post the Ghandi quote, you know the one I'm talking about..
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Happy to oblige, Pad ;)
 

Hepheastus420

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Who is ghandi to say all christians are so unlike than our christ? fuck ghandi.....

ok that was a little harsh....nah fuck him....maybe....
 
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