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[cannabineer]

That's an extremely easy question to answer.

Atheists came first, but they weren't called atheists until theism was invented. Before theism, atheists were called..... people.

I suspect that religion is as old as sapience, and perhaps even older. I would not be surprised if it constitutes a psychic fossil from our presapient phase ... an insight into how the most intelligent animals cognize. That is, of course, blue-sky green-stash thinking on my part. cn

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

Originally Posted by olylifter420
Who came first, an atheist or religious type?

lol thats one dumb ass question there and shows olly hasnt listend to anything ever wrote in this entire sub section of the forum, as he would know athiesm is just a response to a claim . lol lol lol lol lol .............my avatar fits perfectly in this example .

 

[Beefbisquit]

I don't think the idea of god can exist without the upper, later developed areas of the brain. Until quite recently (in terms of the lifespan of the earth) these areas of the brain didn't exist. So, until those areas of the brain existed the idea of religion, or even the ability to conceptualize a god didn't exist. The lack of a belief in god is atheism; it's not necessarily a choice! If you don't even know about god, you're still an atheist! Atheist just means without belief in god, why you have no belief is irrelevant.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

It is possable, to just not know. It isnt a matter of not believing, or believing, it is accepting that you do not know.

You may label the people in this category, the "seekers"

Their are very few of us...

 

[Beefbisquit]

It is possable, to just not know. It isnt a matter of not believing, or believing, it is accepting that you do not know.

You may label the people in this category, the "seekers"

Their are very few of us...

If your answer to the question "do you believe in god?" is anything but "yes", you're an atheist. That includes "I don't know".

 

[Zaehet Strife]

no no no, see, i want to believe...trust me. i want to more than most people. but im just not sure my man. because as much as i hunger for what i want to believe to be true, to be true... i still do not know for sure if it is or not. so i state again, its not that i dont believe, its not that i do believe... i more so want to, but understand that i dont know. maybe there is a god, maybe there isnt... i am still seeking an answer. "seeker"

to believe something you do not know, is arrogance. maybe some day i will, maybe ill be visited by god, or ill become enlightened through meditation, or ill experience what this "god" is, or ill just "wake up". but i havent yet, i am still seeking.

"seeker"

it is hard for you to understand, because you have made a decision already... you think you know the answer. you either think you know that god exists, or you think you know that god doesnt exist. either way, your arrogence will never give you knowledge, it will only feed your ignorance.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Wanting to believe and believing are two very different things. Atheism and theism's definitions don't depend on wants, they depend on what is.

Just the fact that you want to believe means you don't hold a belief. Atheism and theism have never been, and will never be about knowing for certain that god exists, it's about having a belief or not having a belief.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

[FONT=&quot]BELIEF: Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
BELIEVE: To accept as true or real.


Atheism: The belief that god does not exist.
Theism: The belief in the existence of god.

I am a "seeker" ...we are very few

Or agnostic if you prefer.
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[mindphuk]

[FONT=&quot]BELIEF: Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
BELIEVE: To accept as true or real.


Atheism: The belief that god does not exist.
Theism: The belief in the existence of god.

I am a "seeker" ...we are very few
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No. Again, theism is a belief that a god exists. Anyone that is NOT a theist is an A-theist. There is no word that distinguishes those people that don't believe in a god because they have never been exposed to the idea from those people that don't believe in a god for any other reason or if they actively disbelieve.

How do you answer the question, "do you believe that a god or gods exist?" Any answer that isn't "yes" makes you an atheist.

 

[Beefbisquit]

[FONT=&quot]BELIEF: Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
BELIEVE: To accept as true or real.


Atheism: The belief that god does not exist.
Theism: The belief in the existence of god.

I am a "seeker" ...we are very few

Or agnostic if you prefer.
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That is incorrect.

Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of belief. If you had never heard of god how could you believe he doesn't exist? It doesn't make sense.

Someone would have to tell you about god for you to have a belief, before then you're an atheist with no belief in god whatsoever.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Agnosticism

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves there is a God, whereas an atheist disbelieves there is a God. In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify knowledge whether God exists or does not. Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that).

Did we all learn a new word today or what? Hehehe, sorry, couldn't help it. =D

 

[Beefbisquit]

Agnosticism

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves there is a God, whereas an atheist disbelieves there is a God. In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify knowledge whether God exists or does not. Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that).

Did we all learn a new word today or what? Hehehe, sorry, couldn't help it. =D

That's incorrect. You do not have to deny the existence of god to be an atheist. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Agnostic atheism - You don't have a belief in a god, but don't claim to know for sure that god does or doesn't exist.
Gnostic atheism - You don't have a belief in god, and claim to know for sure that god(s) doesn't(don't) exist(s).

Agnostic theism - You have a belief in at least one god, but don't claim to know for sure that god does or doesn't exist.
Gnostic theism - You have a belief in at least one god, and claim to know for sure that god(s) exist(s).


Did you learn something today?

 

[Zaehet Strife]

"That's incorrect. You do not have to deny the existence of god to be an atheist. Sorry to burst your bubble."

re-read my posts, i never said that my friend

The true agnostic, is not atheist, nor is he theist; he is the emanation of true wisdom. The realization of self. The admittance of ignorance. To have true control over the fear of the unknown. That which is the only truth... we do not know, and their search is never-ending. They give themselves no more excuses for their behaviors. Their search is a complete transformation of self, in which this transformation is a never-ending cycle of changing, to become better parts of themselves within each and every moment of existence.

 

[olylifter420]

Get a room you two

 

[Beefbisquit]

"That's incorrect. You do not have to deny the existence of god to be an atheist. Sorry to burst your bubble."

re-read my posts, i never said that my friend

The true agnostic, is not atheist, nor is he theist; he is the emanation of true wisdom. The realization of self. The admittance of ignorance. To have true control over the fear of the unknown. That which is the only truth... we do not know, and their search is never-ending. They give themselves no more excuses for their behaviors. Their search is a complete transformation of self, in which this transformation is a never-ending cycle of changing, to become better parts of themselves within each and every moment of existence.

That's just a bunch of flowery language; who are you to define "true agnostic"?

Admittance of ignorance is fine, but you don't have to give up all objectivity.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Agnosticism

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves there is a God, whereas an atheist disbelieves there is a God. In the strict sense, however, agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify knowledge whether God exists or does not. Within agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do not believe any deity exists, but do not deny it as a possibility) and agnostic theists (who believe a God exists but do not claim to know that).

Did we all learn a new word today or what? Hehehe, sorry, couldn't help it. =D

...unknowable - pretty much means 'exists'. (imfo)

*being able to touch my nose with my elbow is an unknowable feeling - but my nose and my elbow exist

 

[Zaehet Strife]

your beliefs give you the excuse to keep living life like you always have, instead of making changes within your self that you know needs to be done.

For example, when you are younger you play with dolls or action figures ect. And then you get older, you stop playing with them. And its not because you don't like them anymore... its that you've reached a higher level of consciousness. With higher levels of consciousness our behavior changes. A part of being conscious is to observe yourself in everything you think, say and do. Beliefs revoke that responsibility with the idea that (there is a god - god is responsible) (there is not a god - i don't have to be responsible) either way, you wont change much based on either of those aspects. True conscienceless is the essence of true change of self, the responsibility of becoming a better part of you in every situation.

True consciousness will never be attained within the realms of faith or belief, unless you have faith or belief in the only thing you can be sure exists in this time or realm... YOU

 

[Beefbisquit]

...unknowable - pretty much means 'exists'. (imfo)

*being able to touch my nose with my elbow is an unknowable feeling - but my nose and my elbow exist

Not true. I actually know someone who can do it, I have a picture of it in my yearbook as a matter of fact!

 

[eye exaggerate]

Not true. I actually know someone who can do it, I have a picture of it in my yearbook as a matter of fact!

...ah, ya bastard!

 

[eye exaggerate]

your beliefs give you the excuse to keep living life like you always have, instead of making changes within your self that you know needs to be done.

For example, when you are younger you play with dolls or action figures ect. And then you get older, you stop playing with them. And its not because you don't like them anymore... its that you've reached a higher level of consciousness. With higher levels of consciousness our behavior changes. A part of being conscious is to observe yourself in everything you think, say and do. Beliefs revoke that responsibility with the idea that (there is a god - god is responsible) (there is not a god - i don't have to be responsible) either way, you wont change much based on either of those aspects. True conscienceless is the essence of true change of self, the responsibility of becoming a better part of you in every situation.

True consciousness will never be attained within the realms of faith or belief, unless you have faith or belief in the only thing you can be sure exists in this time or realm... YOU

...you seem 'sure', for an agnostic