Snake Oil, Horticultural Myths, Horticultural Urban Legends, and Persuaders

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420johnny

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Uncle Ben said:
I'm still on the fence regarding Superthrive. TX A&M professionals that really know this stuff and another guru who retired as Texas Forest Service employee say it IS snake oil. I only use it cause I have it on the shelf and it's quite old.

Curious, why would you want a lighter green colored leaf?

UB
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in regards to the lighter coloured leaf, i dont think it matters too much as long as the plant is healthy and shits on the other one that only got hydro nutes for taste. Superthrive could make the plant uptake more/less nitrogen or something happens

there is defiantly something with the lighter coloured leaf with superthrive that i've never seen others mention.

I've had good success in trials where i take two clones and the one dipped in superthrive for 20 minutes shows roots a day earlier on average, i just want to see a proper more clinical trial which involes more control of the variables.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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420johnny said:
in regards to the lighter coloured leaf, i dont think it matters too much as long as the plant is healthy and shits on the other one that only got hydro nutes for taste. Superthrive could make the plant uptake more/less nitrogen or something happens

there is defiantly something with the lighter coloured leaf with superthrive that i've never seen others mention.

I've had good success in trials where i take two clones and the one dipped in superthrive for 20 minutes shows roots a day earlier on average, i just want to see a proper more clinical trial which involes more control of the variables.
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Strange that you say that. I know a guy who (five+ years ago) added some superthrive to his res going to his newly rooted clones. He was on the higher side of the dosage, but they all turned yellow, like really really yellow. They did pull through, but that's an interesting effect, for lack of a better term. I'd like to know just what causes this.
 
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420johnny

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Well Wolverine i have killed plants using superthrive in too concentrated doses. Some people have this inner thought about what you put in MUST equal what comes out, i.e when topping up a reservoir some add extra nutrients when they know they don't need it.
 
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beans davis

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Uncle Ben,
Can you help me please?
I'm growing in a flood and drain system with expanded clay

I have D.G. Grow 7-9-5 Bloom 3-12-6 Pro Text and Mag-Pro 2-15-4

I see you recommend 9-3-6. Did I buy the wrong shit? On DG site no info on 9-3-6 & recirc systems. Would you use the same as the 7-9-5?
Do I even need the Bloom 3-12-6?

I used to grow in the 80's when I live in Cali.
A guy from Washington had a small ad in HTs for a 3 part nutrient he made himself.
That's all I ever used and it worked great.
I used seeds from SSSC. Will W. NL #5 & SK#1

I got back into it about 3 1/2 years ago. It's bad enough trying to find decent seeds let alone sort through all the nutrients their trying to sell me at the Hydro store.

I have been going to different forums trying to sort this nutrient mess out and I ran across you. (Thank God) I see you got banned from another forum. . Steal your shit, Huh?

They had a guy on that site with 17,000 posts and said he had never grown anything but, if he did, he wouldn't use such & such. Wonder how old he is?

I'm a disabled Vet. $ is tight. My right hand & arm are disabled. I don't post, had to get my old lady to type this.

I think I live close to you. Weather was horrible last year. Farmers took a beating.

I'm no kid, 55 years old. I know when to listen. Tell me what to do.

Thanks,
Texas Jack
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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beans davis said:
Uncle Ben,
Can you help me please?
I'm growing in a flood and drain system with expanded clay

I have D.G. Grow 7-9-5 Bloom 3-12-6 Pro Text and Mag-Pro 2-15-4

I see you recommend 9-3-6. Did I buy the wrong shit? On DG site no info on 9-3-6 & recirc systems. Would you use the same as the 7-9-5?
Do I even need the Bloom 3-12-6?

I used to grow in the 80's when I live in Cali.
A guy from Washington had a small ad in HTs for a 3 part nutrient he made himself.
That's all I ever used and it worked great.
I used seeds from SSSC. Will W. NL #5 & SK#1

I got back into it about 3 1/2 years ago. It's bad enough trying to find decent seeds let alone sort through all the nutrients their trying to sell me at the Hydro store.

I have been going to different forums trying to sort this nutrient mess out and I ran across you. (Thank God) I see you got banned from another forum. . Steal your shit, Huh?

They had a guy on that site with 17,000 posts and said he had never grown anything but, if he did, he wouldn't use such & such. Wonder how old he is?

I'm a disabled Vet. $ is tight. My right hand & arm are disabled. I don't post, had to get my old lady to type this.

I think I live close to you. Weather was horrible last year. Farmers took a beating.

I'm no kid, 55 years old. I know when to listen. Tell me what to do.

Thanks,
Texas Jack
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Buy Mel Frank's book - "MJ Insiders Growers Guide" and read up on indoor plant culture.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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i love my 3-1-5(edit for illiteracy its actually 5-1-3 my bad) ratio for veg from my Sugar peak veg formula from earth juice and its doing reall well for my lady

 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Samwell Seed Well said:
i love my 3-1-5 ratio for veg from my Sugar peak veg formula from earth juice and its doing reall well for my lady

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"Sugar Peak", eh? Gawd these companies crack me up. :hump:

That is a healthy looking plant. Like most they have the K and N switched though. A 5-1-3 would be a better ratio for veg.

UB
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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But it doesn't got electrolytes! It is a 3-1-5. http://www.hydro-organics.com/home/index.php?productID=675

Gotta git me some of dat joy juice. http://www.hydro-organics.com/home/index.php?categoryID=566

Still frustrating for a real horticulturist - I can't find an analysis just the usual hype -
Formula is crafted for energetic stem and leaf growth for foliage plants and the vegetative stage of flowering and fruiting plants.

This sugarcane molasses based 1-Part Nutrient Line will out perform the most complex multi-bottle formulas..
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Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Uncle Ben said:
But it doesn't got electrolytes! It is a 3-1-5. http://www.hydro-organics.com/home/index.php?productID=675

Gotta git me some of dat joy juice. http://www.hydro-organics.com/home/index.php?categoryID=566

Still frustrating for a real horticulturist - I can't find an analysis just the usual hype -
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might have to check that out if in the future nice

i use this currently for my humic and fulvic
hendrix HuMagic is a rich, dark, natural humate, mined from a sole organic deposit of carbon-rich humate from both vegetative & marine compounds. This sole mine produces one of the finest humates on the market, rich in active, available humic and fulvic acids, organic carbon & natural trace elements. Used regularly HuMagic decreases your need for fertilizers as it enhances your soil's beneficial biology and ability to uptake nutrients.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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hey i just want to apologize for being so stubborn in my initial reactions to your opinions, believe or not you got me onto looking at alternative foods and soils and well a couple other things so thanks UB
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Nice ad.

Samwell Seed Well said:
might have to check that out if in the future nice

i use this currently for my humic and fulvic
hendrix HuMagic is a rich, dark, natural humate, mined from a sole organic deposit of carbon-rich humate from both vegetative & marine compounds. This sole mine produces one of the finest humates on the market, rich in active, available humic and fulvic acids, organic carbon & natural trace elements. Used regularly HuMagic decreases your need for fertilizers as it enhances your soil's beneficial biology and ability to uptake nutrients.
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If your soil has any compost or peat in it, you're wasting your money. Don't get me wrong, they'll be no side effects from using it other than lightening up your wallet.

It's all about the chemicals.
 
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beans davis

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UB
I thru all my AN SHIT & all the other crap they said i needed at the hydro store in the trash.
I fell for all the bs on the forums,you got to have a bunch of booster,leafs are suppose to be yellow.You need more light.Chop yer plants all up.buy this
bloombastic $100+ get 10lbs per plant?
Iwas out of growing almost 20yrs didnt know it was a scam,didnt use to be that way.

Iwas wondering why i had to fight and tweak that crap just to get thru each grow.
I spent days reading yer threads start to finish then going back and reading more.

I took 1 of my lights down and started useing D.G.(hydro).Now my plants are looking good.I will top today for 4 main colas.

Iwill buy Franks book as per you.I have Cervantes book im rereading.

Thank you for helping us at riu i know it takes a lot of your time.I will try to post some pics in the future.

Thanks again
Texas Jack
 
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Afka

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So by listening to UB's preachings of "don't waste your money" you threw out some perfectly good products you're gonna re-buy the generic version of?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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i dont throw things out i use em up, read my journals(no need for assumptions you can see whats happening now), and im just trying to simplify my my nutrient regime in order to become more cost effective, canna is not cost effective, and im no where near a final conclusion maybe end of summer, 3-4 more harvest to fine tune what nutrients i will use, in the end i like what canna does as a flower fert(A+B) and i will do my best to round out my number to optimize the macro micro essential nutrints needed

So im really just trying to increase potency flower and growth during veg, which is where i feel canna is lacking one of my 4 organic blends in my journal will run canna during flower so we will see what happens, but changing your perspective can only give you a better and more rounded understanding of your options and where you want to end up
 
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beans davis

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Afka said:
So by listening to UB's preachings of "don't waste your money" you threw out some perfectly good products you're gonna re-buy the generic version of?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Ididnt have enuf A.N. sensi g&b a&b to make the grow.I was going to have to reup on nutrients anyway.
The hydro store was pushing canna on me.UB makes a lot sense to me.Iwill stick with him until my garden proves him wrong.

I SAVED $$$ BUYING D.G. OVER A.N.Check the prices.
The dude at the hydro store couldnt believe i wanted D.G.they only had 1 bottle of each,not a big seller.

Im on disability i try not to waste $$.I have 1L bottles of sensi a&b grow 1/2 full, want em,theyll get no more$$$ from me.
 
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