Heard an Interesting POV...
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WillyBagseed
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You are right, I stand corrected.
FilthyFizzle
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I'm sorry but you are wrong. The governor of Maine wants to cut and develop 10 million acres of Northern Maine wilderness. It's all about money not whats right for the earth. Logging companies do clear cut and a lot of them get away with it too
NLXSK1
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The earth? The earth doesnt have feelings, the earth doesnt care.
When you want to directly argue with someone's point it is usually best to actually provide some proof of your point. "I said so." is not a very strong debating tool. So, show us some evidence that a company has clear cut any area in America in the last decade. I would be fascinated to read all about it and how much they were fined by the government.
Wanting to do something and actually doing it are totally different things. Logging companies do not clear cut in the USA. And when i say clear cut i mean deforestation. where every tree is cut, whether or not it goes to a lumber mill. If logging companies just did clear cutting all the trees would be gone by now. They actually do selective cutting and leave SOME of the best trees standing because they found out in the 50's and 60's that indiscriminate cutting of the best trees caused genetic problems with the quality of the trees they left behind.
Gov LePage wants to hire Canadian loggers to log, not cut down the whole forest.
canndo
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There is no GMO labeling in my market - do you actually think a state could accomplish such a mandate? And I am not a socialist, I am a realist - entirely different things. I am not diverting anything at all, I call them as I see them and we have no better method of understanding each other than by the words we each use.
canndo
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You are an ethical individual, many people are, you are likely very proud of your product. Not everyone is, Back to our unfettered marketplace again - MDMA is cut with speed, pot is sprinkled with glass beads, Heroin is spiked with who knows what. This is what happens in a truely free market, not all the time, but still it happens because not everyone is as moral or ethical as you or I may be.
canndo
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the perchlorate article I posted as an example of what corporations (ethical or not) can do to an environment - you claim that a boycott of the transporter of perchlorate would have some effect, the article states that numberous companies simply dumped the stuff into the ground or water supply - no transportation. So who would you boycott?
canndo
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I don't want to speak for anyone else but that's not what I took from Gastanker's post. Go back and read it. I think he was saying that corporations aren't some faceless, evil entity bent on the destruction of the species, the environment, economy, Hell! The world? lol! We are all dependent on things which are made by those same "evil corporations". Your friends and neighbors (provided they are employed) might be working at some of those same "evil corporations". Sure, we have a handful of examples of corporate shenanigans and malfeasance. So we should demonize ALL CORPORATIONS? That's like someone saying we should exterminate the human race because a relative few are murderers! lmfao!!!!!!
The stated purpose of for profit corporations is the enrichment of stockholders. They do not seek to destroy the species, the environment or the economy but when they run at cross puproses then profit takes precidence and that is the all important point. We should demonize no corporations, we should employ the governmental resources we have in order to pressure them into complying with certain rules that keep us all more safe, if within those rules, they can make a profit - fine, great, wonderful, if they cannot, tough.
canndo
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No, oil is not evil, oil is foolish, oil is archaic.
You are right, and it happens not becasue government isn't regulating it, but becasue you have unscrupulous people who do such things. If Making something illegal means it is not regulated then Murder is unregulated as is wife beating, speeding on the road, throwing trash on the street, jaywalking, fraud....The list can go on and on. If something is made illegal it is regulated.
relink the article so that I may read it please.
Great Idea, im all for it, only problem is that the biggest companies who can't make it (most of the banks) will be propped up at taxpayer expense until the whole system finally crashes. Government regulates only the activities of those companies who do not provide large campaign donations to politicians. We ALL know that most politicians are on the take and only do what they are told to do by whoever pays the most.
NLXSK1
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You wish Oil was archaic but it is one of the most efficient fuel sources we have right now for the money.
canndo
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You saw my argument about this already.
canndo
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Fine, we may agree but the discussion is more along the lines of regulation and less along the lines of political tendancies of government.
NLXSK1
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I dont know how old that report is but it is way older than 2004. That is when they talk about setting some standards.
canndo
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Actually it isn't if you take all of the damages caused by our use of oil. Currently we only see a fraction of the true cost of oil in the figures at the pump. Furthermore you say "we have RIGHT NOW", without some sort of foresight and action regarding that foresight your statement will become false on its own.