"We're Trying To Keep Our Voting Rights! Thousands March Against New Voter ID Laws"

[MuyLocoNC]

Looks like Holder is going to challenge some of these state laws under a provision in the voting rights act of 65:

Holder is a disgrace and needs to be run out of town on a rail.

 

[WillyBagseed]

I do not see anywhere in the constitution that says you need an ID to vote. In fact I do not see anywhere that says you need an ID for anything.

In most states, felons are allowed to vote after their sentence is served, a few you have to file to get the right back and only a couple you can never vote. Just like RP likes it , different voting rights in different states.

Voting laws that have been coming out l8tly do nothing but discriminate against the poor, students and minorities. Voter fraud is an almost 0% problem, Election fraud on the other hand.............. nothing like being a wealthy republican who owns the majority of electric, hackable , voting machines.

 

[Dan Kone]

You're absolutely right, I misspoke. I mean to say Progressive, not just Democrats. Bush was a flaming progressive on many fronts. UB disagrees, but I've listed dozens of examples of his progressive slant on many issues.

I'm not sure what you think a progressive is, but if you think Bush was one, you're mistaken.

 

[Dan Kone]

So, what you're really saying is they are too lazy to go get an ID. Money isn't the issue, it's a rebellious thing or simply indifference. So because these cretins can't be bothered to get off their asses and get an ID, the rest of us have to cater to them? Not a fucking chance pal. Not a fucking chance. I bet they wait in line for hours for the latest IPAD or to see a concert, but 30-40 mins to get an ID....NO NO NO, that's far too much of an imposition. That pathetic example just made my point for me, thank you.

And why should people have to buy something just so they can vote? To fix a problem that doesn't exist? This is a poll tax, nothing more.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

And why should people have to buy something just so they can vote? To fix a problem that doesn't exist? This is a poll tax, nothing more.

Fine, then you wouldn't have ANY problem with the requirement if the DMV issued IDs at no cost. Since there are so few adults walking around without a drivers licenses or state issued IDs, it wouldn't even be that costly of a program. But I'm sure you'll come up with some other argument, because it's not about cost or the inconvenience, it's just about keeping the legitimacy of voters in the dark. Go ahead, let's hear the brilliant comeback despite having your argument utterly decimated.

 

[WillyBagseed]

Show me your papers !!!

I do not carry any ID unless I am driving my work truck (an agreement I accepted with the DOT), why, because I am an American in America. Fuck you thinking you have a right to see my papers. No, I do not carry my DL in my car and yes I have been pulled over and yes the cops hate it... so fucking what.

I also do not give an ID when making a purchase with my credit card... why? (Best Buy is notorious for asking for ID, every time I purchase something from them I end up in a 10 minute fight until the manager comes.... Why? Because it is none of their business.) Because if you read the fine print a business who accepts CC's cannot require an ID to use it, retards and lazy people just cough it up because it is more "convenient"***. (wonder why you do not need ID to make online purchases?...... cause you DO NOT NEED TO PROVIDE ID) If you sign your CC with "ask for ID" technically you just voided it, it has to be signed to be usable, lazy, greedy and uneducated businesses will accept it to take your money.

*** This is just one of the many small things Americans do for convenience that is eating away at our freedoms.... Laziness in protecting your rights.

What part of this do you not understand?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
lol

Voter fraud is a fraud in and of itself invented by the right.

The way you look at it I guess we should require all hospitals implant an ID chip into newborns so their ID is with them at all times of their life.

*Edit and deleted partial post for being really pissed off and typing items best left off the board.

Damn, sorry, I let a little of my Libertarian leanings out again. I will try and not slip up again, apologies. =)

 

[sync0s]

Show me your papers !!!

I do not carry any ID unless I am driving my work truck (an agreement I accepted with the DOT), why, because I am an American in America. Fuck you thinking you have a right to see my papers. No, I do not carry my DL in my car and yes I have been pulled over and yes the cops hate it... so fucking what.

I also do not give an ID when making a purchase with my credit card... why? (Best Buy is notorious for asking for ID, every time I purchase something from them I end up in a 10 minute fight until the manager comes.... Why? Because it is none of their business.) Because if you read the fine print a business who accepts CC's cannot require an ID to use it, retards and lazy people just cough it up because it is more "convenient". If you sign your CC with "ask for ID" technically you just voided it, it has to be signed to be usable, lazy, greedy and uneducated businesses will accept it to take your money.

What part of this do you not understand?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
lol

Voter fraud is a fraud in and of itself invented by the right.

The way you look at it I guess we should require all hospitals implant an ID chip into newborns so their ID is with them at all times of their life.

*Edit and deleted partial post for being really pissed off and typing items best left off the board.

You do realize that BB asking for your ID when using a CC is not only there to protect you if your card is stolen, but it's to protect them because when someone files fraud the banks tend to go after the merchant. They reserve the right to tell you that you can't use your card.

That being said no one should ever go to Best Buy unless in desperate urgent need for a product of theirs that you can't find any where locally. There are worse than double markups on all of their products. You can find the exact same things they sell for 1/4 the price on the internet or local shops. That and Geek Squad is the biggest scam in the world.

 

[WillyBagseed]

"They reserve the right to tell you that you can't use your card"

If you have ever seen a VISA contract you would know this is a lie, it is disallowed by VISA.(and MasterCard, and Amex and Discover)

“Although Visa Rules do not preclude merchants from asking for cardholder ID, merchants cannot make an ID a condition of acceptance. Therefore, merchants cannot refuse to complete a purchase transaction because a cardholder refuses to provide ID. Visa believes merchants should not ask for ID as part of their regular card acceptance procedures.”


I do not need or want their protection and yes I know BB sucks ass, was just using them as an example.

I have always been able to use my card there, without ID, just takes showing them their own contract with VISA and some of my time with the uneducated retards.

My wife worked for a large evil bank, whose name shall not be spoken, for almost 20 years. You may be surprised at the rights you have with a CC that get abused daily.

My rights and freedoms are more important to me than convenience.

 

[NoDrama]

I'd like to see proof that it happens at all. I'm unaware of a single case of an illegal alien ever successfully voting. I've only heard of one case of it being attempted and he was caught and arrested.

Umm well yeah, that is the whole idea of getting away with it I.E. nobody knows, therefor there are no stories of the guy who successfully voted, there are only stories of the ones they caught. Sheesh trying to prove a negative.

 

[jcannons]

Hi my names John Smith and I'm here to vote, fuck you if you don't believe who I am...... Really? Your a fucking moron if you think that you should be able to vote without proving who you are.....just my opinion of course.... Oh and how can you say there's no voter fraud in states that don't require ID....hard to prove if they don't require id don't you think?

J

 

[WillyBagseed]

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It has been illegal for over 200 years to vote when you are a felon. I dont think that qualifies as keeping your rights.

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Incorrect
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

By the way, you do know that according to the Constitution, you DO NOT have a constitutional right to vote.(It does not say you do not have a right but it also does not say you do) You only have a couple of amendments that say you cannot be discriminated against to vote (Age, sex and race, 15th 19th and 26th). If a law was to be passed saying nobody can vote, therefore non discriminating, tho it would be BS, technically nothing covers your ass in the constitution.(you can argue voting for the President, Senate and Congress and that is it)

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Hi my names John Smith and I'm here to vote, fuck you if you don't believe who I am...... Really? Your a fucking moron if you think that you should be able to vote without proving who you are.....just my opinion of course.... Oh and how can you say there's no voter fraud in states that don't require ID....hard to prove if they don't require id don't you think?

J

Yeah? Wow...

You sign a sign in sheet which has your address on it. You come in and someone else signed it. They let you sign another paper and compare who's the real John Smith. There's absolutely no need for voter id. It's only there to perpetuate the nanny state and give them more money since ids aren't free.

 

[Harrekin]

Yeah? Wow...

You sign a sign in sheet which has your address on it. You come in and someone else signed it. They let you sign another paper and compare who's the real John Smith. There's absolutely no need for voter id. It's only there to perpetuate the nanny state and give them more money since ids aren't free.

Wouldn't you need ID to prove you are infact the real John Smith and not an imposter in the scenario you mention?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Wouldn't you need ID to prove you are infact the real John Smith and not an imposter in the scenario you mention?

Why would you need one? Who cares if you're the imposter, your signature proves who you are. Let both people vote. Then only count the John Smith whose signature matches the original voter registration. How often will this situation come up compared to your rights violated with everyone showing id. Voting isn't a dog show where you show papers in order to compete. Voter id is insulting.

 

[Harrekin]

Why would you need one? Who cares if you're the imposter, your signature proves who you are. Let both people vote. Then only count the John Smith whose signature matches the original voter registration. How often will this situation come up compared to your rights violated with everyone showing id. Voting isn't a dog show where you show papers in order to compete. Voter id is insulting.

ID-less voting, no offense, but only the Americans could consider it even vaguely logical.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

ID-less voting, no offense, but only the Americans could consider it even vaguely logical.

Then so are the Japanese. Only foreigners are required id.

 

[deprave]

I'm not a big fan of ID's at all but to be realistic its not that big of a deal, I didn't read the new laws so I can't say so with authority but for myself as someone who was already registered they just sent me a card in the mail when I filled in my name and address on the state website. It doesn't cost any money or anything, you don't need a normal ID, at least in Michigan. Its just your name and address. Not that I trust the state with anything especially my identity but they already have it so again just being realistic..They already know who you are and everything about you...They own you..They don't have to go through filing cabinets or something in some murkey basement anymore, they type your name and press enter.

 

[Dan Kone]

Fine, then you wouldn't have ANY problem with the requirement if the DMV issued IDs at no cost.

Correct. I'd 100% support that. Works for me.

Since there are so few adults walking around without a drivers licenses or state issued IDs, it wouldn't even be that costly of a program. But I'm sure you'll come up with some other argument,

Nope. I'd agree with it entirely. This law specifically targets poor people and eldery folks living on fixed incomes.

The people who are the least likely to have a drivers license are 1) the elderly 2) college students 3) poor people. AKA - the democratic base.

This has nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with stopping democrats from voting. Just look at Texas as an example. In Texas you can use a gun permit as a form of ID but you may NOT use a picture ID from a public university. A picture ID from a public university IS a government issued ID. Yet none of these new laws allow you to use it as ID to vote. That's because this is about stopping democrats from voting. Gun owners are more likely to vote republican, college students are more likely to vote democrat.

because it's not about cost or the inconvenience, it's just about keeping the legitimacy of voters in the dark. Go ahead, let's hear the brilliant comeback despite having your argument utterly decimated.

As I said, they reviewed more than 9 million ballots and found exactly 2 cases of voter fraud. This is not a real problem. Republicans have figured out that people without drivers licenses are statistically more likely to vote democrat so they are trying to stop them.

 

[Dan Kone]

Umm well yeah, that is the whole idea of getting away with it I.E. nobody knows, therefor there are no stories of the guy who successfully voted, there are only stories of the ones they caught. Sheesh trying to prove a negative.

There is no evidence that this is a real problem. And they DO study it. As I've brought up several times but you've chosen to ignore, they did an investigation in 2004 with 9 million ballots and only found 2 cases.

Unless you can provide some sort of proof that this is a real problem, I will not believe this has anything to do with voter fraud. This is about stopping people who are statistically more likely to be democrats from voting.

 

[Dan Kone]

Oh and how can you say there's no voter fraud in states that don't require ID....hard to prove if they don't require id don't you think?

J

No. Actually it's extremely easy to prove. When you register to vote you have to list an address. They can get a # or send verification through the mail.

And they actually do this. So no, your wrong. It's easy to prove and there has not been a single case in recent years of an election being effected by people lying about who they are to vote.

This is not about voter fraud. This is about poll taxing and voter suppression.