VanishingToaster
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this may help lol
The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread
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Pff that troll spray is BS; the only way to kill a troll is to starve it 100% of any attention whatsoever.
Banning him, punishing, talking shit to or otherwise will only empower it further!
SlimJim503
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So fellows hows today treating us?
Pretty good, today I got called a troll by a guy who claims to have tripled his yield when he quit flushing. I had a good laugh, twice.
SirLancelot
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we stop pumping information in the thread for a week and restless minds start talking shit...
Although tripling yield seems a stretch for something so small in such a small time frame, I mean 3x the weight in bud for 2wks extra nutes that your not even giving full strength of. I must ask how do you know for sure that was the reason? I only ask because in my experience I have never noticed any significant difference I could attribute to pre-harvest flushing.
Although tripling yield seems a stretch for something so small in such a small time frame, I mean 3x the weight in bud for 2wks extra nutes that your not even giving full strength of. I must ask how do you know for sure that was the reason? I only ask because in my experience I have never noticed any significant difference I could attribute to pre-harvest flushing.
gudkarma
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i have done side by sides.
i have made runs flushing for the last two weeks of flower.
i have made runs w/ consistent low ppm throughout the cycle.
& on & on & on.
i harvest every three weeks by the way so i can change the finish up.
flushing does nothing noticable other than save on nute (which is cool).
i know plenty of fine famers who agree with nutrition to the very end... just like dirt do.
i mean mother nature always flushes her carrots before you yank them from the ground.
& i love the comparisons of newbies vs experts (impman) as if you have all the knowledge.
those portabella mushrooms i eat never taste like the shit they're grown in? why is this?
why doesn't my lettuce or spinach taste all chemmy... i mean it was definitely grown by big agro?
why dont you frauds ever complain about all the "chem taste" in those cigs you smoke?
surely they dont use chems on tobacco. or do they?
there is no way on earth low ec, unflushed, properly grown, harvested, dried, and cured top shelf dank isn't AAA+
shit... my herb + $100 against anything you (tiolet) flushers can put up.
sorry i grow, smoke, & sell way too much herb (like i pay my mortgage right now) to even consider any other argument.
my peeps in europe (e$kobar, who grow tons to your pounds) dont flush either. low ec. full cycle. proper plant love.
simple.
i have made runs flushing for the last two weeks of flower.
i have made runs w/ consistent low ppm throughout the cycle.
& on & on & on.
i harvest every three weeks by the way so i can change the finish up.
flushing does nothing noticable other than save on nute (which is cool).
i know plenty of fine famers who agree with nutrition to the very end... just like dirt do.
i mean mother nature always flushes her carrots before you yank them from the ground.
& i love the comparisons of newbies vs experts (impman) as if you have all the knowledge.
those portabella mushrooms i eat never taste like the shit they're grown in? why is this?
why doesn't my lettuce or spinach taste all chemmy... i mean it was definitely grown by big agro?
why dont you frauds ever complain about all the "chem taste" in those cigs you smoke?
surely they dont use chems on tobacco. or do they?
there is no way on earth low ec, unflushed, properly grown, harvested, dried, and cured top shelf dank isn't AAA+
shit... my herb + $100 against anything you (tiolet) flushers can put up.
sorry i grow, smoke, & sell way too much herb (like i pay my mortgage right now) to even consider any other argument.
my peeps in europe (e$kobar, who grow tons to your pounds) dont flush either. low ec. full cycle. proper plant love.
simple.
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SlimJim503
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Buncha jack wagons on here i tell you what like everyone that signs on has a problem and wants to take it out on another forum member? I dont get it?? That stuff really get you off?
Simple i was getting less then a 1/2 per 12/12 from seed under my 150 when i was doing 12 now im at 1/2-2oz per plant depending on strain but hey that dont mean shit right and i run single cola plants same seeds same strains. Did i claim to have proof nope i said me and or I not you he or they so that would lead more towards from my experience. My dank is not harsh in the least and its very tasty and from the few i have shared with top of the line. Been smoking for 17 years im on the west coast where we grow and smoke the best in the world and its been like that since dank was called DANK.....Run a test a batch same seeds same everything back on batch off and flush the other batch harvest same time etc cure same way then send that shit to me cuz....bahaha nah but do that shit and you will see for yourself its the cure.
Simple i was getting less then a 1/2 per 12/12 from seed under my 150 when i was doing 12 now im at 1/2-2oz per plant depending on strain but hey that dont mean shit right and i run single cola plants same seeds same strains. Did i claim to have proof nope i said me and or I not you he or they so that would lead more towards from my experience. My dank is not harsh in the least and its very tasty and from the few i have shared with top of the line. Been smoking for 17 years im on the west coast where we grow and smoke the best in the world and its been like that since dank was called DANK.....Run a test a batch same seeds same everything back on batch off and flush the other batch harvest same time etc cure same way then send that shit to me cuz....bahaha nah but do that shit and you will see for yourself its the cure.
WillyBagseed
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First, more than likely I have been growing longer than you have been alive.
Second, I never have and never will "bring" or sell cannabis to a dispensary.
Third, if you freaking learn how to grow cannabis in the first place you do not even need to use "chemicals".. ever hear of super soil?
Last, even using nutes you do not need to flush.... do you starve your tomatoes of nutes for a week or two before you eat them?
The number one reason you get shitty tasting cannabis is improper cure, followed by storage, time and genetics.
You can have the best strain, flush the hell out of it and if you cure it improperly it will taste like shit.
Not my fault you get shitty "weed" from a legal pot dealer.
Stop posting shit about things you have "heard" and go try it out yourself side by side. The only reason to do a flush is if you over fert and need to clean up your fuckup.
VanishingToaster
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the people i see champion flushing dont seem to have tried it without flushing, the people that say you dont need to flush have usually flushed and then stopped.
i'd be taking my advice from the people who have tried it both ways. just seems logical no?
i'd be taking my advice from the people who have tried it both ways. just seems logical no?
fatboyOGOF
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LOL ya think?
SirLancelot
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It is funny how that works isn't it?! Im realizing that no matter how much sense and logic are thrown into the convo it's thrown out by arm flailing temper tantrumed growers who claim flushing is neccessary yet don't know for themselves.
SirLancelot
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Im sorry if it came out like I was attacking your claim, remember Im on your side I don't starve my babies. I was just wanting you to share your experience with everyone else as you did above
thanks for the info!
Beansly
RIU Bulldog
What a load of bullshit. Flush or not, that's your deal, but it's not gonna increase your yeild on way or another...
If anything, you became a better grower.
Commercial growers do a lot of dumb things.
Eskobar is a commercial grower. They don't cure either... They just do it to save time and resources. because money is the bottom line, not quality.
Your right in a way. Flushing was a technique perpetuated by the Dutch to cover up for their sin of over fertilizing. They used to like to pump their plants with as much nutrients as possible. This whole thread is based on the idea of flushing for two whole weeks! I can't believe that people still do this...
That is over generalized, dated information that probably had more to do with growing outdoor 12ft tall plants than growing little indoor plants. It's like saying to hang your buds up till the stems snap. It's vague, old info, that was meant for giant outdoor plants.
I don't stop feeding in the last two weeks either, I dilute the recipe more and more until the end. Then, the last three days is when I do my flush. I think that if you grow it right, you don't need more than a 3 day flush. Besides tasting betting IMO, it aids with the cure by washing out Nitrogen, Potassium and sugars from the leaves.
And your kidding yourself if you don't think smokers can taste things like chemicals and nutrients in the bud. One of my grower buddies can taste what kind of Potassium you use in your bloom booster (mono potassium somtheing or other v. some other sourse of K). People can taste that shit.
Samwell Seed Well
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im still on the fence of this
can anyone of the never flush proponents explain to me how ingesting something and and burning and then inhaling the smoke of something is the same , , , , i mean dont our lungs and digestive system absorb things differently like in different states or different rates .. . . . . how is eating a tomato and smoking it the same . . .. . . . . . .
i would like to see smoke vapor test done and not plant product test which is how you test ingested products . . . . idk my basic understanding of the state of matter(solid,liqiud,gas) almost demands that there would be a difference in the composition of elements as there are combusted vs broken down to/or be absorbed by your body, idk can anyone answer any of these rambling question
can anyone of the never flush proponents explain to me how ingesting something and and burning and then inhaling the smoke of something is the same , , , , i mean dont our lungs and digestive system absorb things differently like in different states or different rates .. . . . . how is eating a tomato and smoking it the same . . .. . . . . . .
i would like to see smoke vapor test done and not plant product test which is how you test ingested products . . . . idk my basic understanding of the state of matter(solid,liqiud,gas) almost demands that there would be a difference in the composition of elements as there are combusted vs broken down to/or be absorbed by your body, idk can anyone answer any of these rambling question
gudkarma
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#1 i dont think this is accurate when modern dutch technique (which i use as well) is geared toward reusable medium and low ec and knowledge of biological plant processes.
these people use hydro to grow veggies. many euro countries do. you mean to tell me people with strict purity, food quality, and culinary traditions ...they're all eating garbage?
#2 e$ko is a seed maker with many rooms and many projects. commercial sure. his method is very commercial. or is it efficient? i like the later. as far as quality, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude you are fucking joking right? his personal stash would blow your wig off. the shit left on the screens after picking out seed has to be 10x better than anything your fert tasting buddy grows.
and he cures everything. tons to pounds dude. they cure on a rotating scedule. just like they grow.
you dream about smoking on such a caliber every day. your buddy wishes he could make world class beans with 50 elite clones. you both wish soma & big buddah & the old positronics crew & sannie were your friends ...and dished you their personal gear, super fat male plants, and the like.
sannie, big buddah, e$ko, soma ...these guys dont smoke quality? laughable. there's not a person who posts in all the entire canna-net that wouldn't love to spark eLs with any of the aforementioned.
low ec hydro needs no flushing. that simple. there's not s shread of credible info you can give that even a three day flush is proper course of action.
if anything all your "diluting" is a HUGE time waster. you grow in a closet? how does your system work with hundreds of gallons of nutes and rezzies & tables for different stages of life?
& washing N & P from the leaves....OMG ...please tell me how that works.
you sure are funny 400w vert dude.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Your friend can taste the minor differences between phosphates? That is a TOTAL load of bullshit.
As for a cure being able to get rid of chemical elements...another pile of bullshit.
Care to post something that isn't bullshit?
Beansly
RIU Bulldog
Well do it your way. With number so you can understand easier.
1) I'm just gonna apologize right off the bat because I didn't want this to turn into a my grower/method is better than your grower/method. And when I said what I said about the 'Dutch Technique', I was talking about 10-15-20 years ago. My point was the flushing is an old idea that needs to be re-thought.
2) I'm sure esko's weed is bombacious but so is the weed grown right here in Vegas and Cali for that matter. We could argue all day who's is better but the truth is, depending on who you get it from, they're probably exactly the same scene. So cut that shit out.
3)And growers who I have more respect for anyways like Shanti, Simon, Chimera and all them flush. So I'll just take their word for it. And no I don't sit up all day dreaming about some fucking plants or whole the hell my friends could be... Are you kidding me??? I don't because I know it doesn't make me myself any better or less. Who gives a fuck who you know dude or what your friends have and are; what the fuck have YOU done lately?
Yeah I only grow 400, cause you gotta start somewhere. Anyone who isn't an asshole would know that.
And if you wanna see 'how that works' flush one of your plants with 3x volume of water to medium, and you'll see the leaves start to go yellow and the stems start to go purple (sometimes). It doesn't take a genius to see that.
Beansly
RIU Bulldog
How would i go about proving it to you? Care to post something that is trying to start some shit?
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