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March 29, 2008

Treasury’s Plan Would Give Fed Wide New Power

By EDMUND L. ANDREWS

WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department will propose on Monday that Congress give the Federal Reserve broad new authority to oversee financial market stability, in effect allowing it to send SWAT teams into any corner of the industry or any institution that might pose a risk to the overall system.
The proposal is part of a sweeping blueprint to overhaul the nation’s hodgepodge of financial regulatory agencies, which many experts say failed to recognize rampant excesses in mortgage lending until after they set off what is now the worst financial calamity in decades.

Democratic lawmakers are all but certain to say the proposal does not go far enough in restricting the kinds of practices that caused the financial crisis. Many of the proposals, like those that would consolidate regulatory agencies, have nothing to do with the turmoil in financial markets. And some of the proposals could actually reduce regulation.

According to a summary provided by the administration, the plan would consolidate an alphabet soup of banking and securities regulators into a powerful trio of overseers responsible for everything from banks and brokerage firms to hedge funds and private equity firms.

While the plan could expose Wall Street investment banks and hedge funds to greater scrutiny, it carefully avoids a call for tighter regulation.

The plan would not rein in practices that have been linked to the housing and mortgage crisis, like packaging risky subprime mortgages into securities carrying the highest ratings.

The plan would give the Fed some authority over Wall Street firms, but only when an investment bank’s practices threatened the entire financial system.
And the plan does not recommend tighter rules over the vast and largely unregulated markets for risk sharing and hedging, like credit default swaps, which are supposed to insure lenders against loss but became a speculative instrument themselves and gave many institutions a false sense of security.
Parts of the plan could reduce the power of the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is charged with maintaining orderly stock and bond markets and protecting investors. The plan would merge the S.E.C. with the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which regulates exchange-traded futures for oil, grains, currencies and the like.

The blueprint also suggests several areas where the S.E.C. should take a lighter approach to its oversight. Among them are allowing stock exchanges greater leeway to regulate themselves and streamlining the approval of new products, even allowing automatic approval of securities products that are being traded in foreign markets.

The proposal began last year as an effort by Henry M. Paulson Jr., secretary of the Treasury, to make American financial markets more competitive against overseas markets by modernizing a creaky regulatory system.

His goal was to streamline the different and sometimes clashing rules for commercial banks, savings and loans and nonbank mortgage lenders.

“I am not suggesting that more regulation is the answer, or even that m
ore effective regulation can prevent the periods of financial market stress that seem to occur every 5 to 10 years,” Mr. Paulson will say in a speech on Monday, according to a draft. “I am suggesting that we should and can have a structure that is designed for the world we live in, one that is more flexible.”

Congress would have to approve almost every element of the proposal, and Democratic leaders are already drafting their own bills to impose tougher supervision over Wall Street investment banks, hedge funds and the fast-growing market in derivatives like credit default swaps.

But Mr. Paulson’s proposal for the Fed echoes ideas championed by Representative Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Both see the Fed overseeing risk across the entire financial spectrum, but Mr. Frank is likely to favor a stronger Fed role and to subject investment banks to the same rules that commercial banks now must follow, especially for capital reserves.

The Treasury plan would let Fed officials examine the practices and even the internal bookkeeping of brokerage firms, hedge funds, commodity-trading exchanges and any other institution that might pose a risk to the overall financial system.

That would be a significant expansion of the central bank’s regulatory mission.

When Fed officials agreed this month to rescue Bear Stearns, once the nation’s fifth-largest investment bank, they pointedly noted that the Fed never had the authority to monitor its financial condition or order it to bolster its protections against a collapse.

In two unprecedented moves, the Fed engineered a marriage between JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns, lending $29 billion to JPMorgan to prevent a Bear bankruptcy and a chain of defaults that might have felled much of the financial system.

For the first time since the 1930s, the Fed also agreed to let investment banks borrow hundreds of billions of dollars from its discount window, an emergency lending program reserved for commercial banks and other depository institutions.

But Mr. Paulson’s proposal would fall well short of the kind of regulation that Democrats have been proposing. Mr. Frank and other senior Democrats have argued that investment banks and other lightly regulated institutions now compete with commercial banks and should be subject to similar regulation, including examiners who regularly pore over their books and quietly demand changes in their practices.

In a recent interview, Mr. Frank said he realized the need for tighter regulation of Wall Street firms after a meeting with Charles O. Prince III, then chairman of Citigroup.

When Mr. Frank asked why Citigroup had kept billions of dollars in “structured investment vehicles” off the firm’s balance sheet, he recalled, Mr. Prince responded that Citigroup, as a bank holding company, would have been at a disadvantage because investment firms can operate with higher debt and lower capital reserves.

Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, has taken a similar stance.

“Commercial banks continue to be supervised closely, and are subject to a host of rules meant to limit systemic risk,” Mr. Schumer wrote in an op-ed article on Friday in The Wall Street Journal. “But many other financial institutions, including investment banks and hedge funds, are regulated lightly, if at all, even though they act in many ways like banks.”

Mr. Paulson’s proposal is likely to provoke bruising turf battles in Congress among agencies and rival industry groups that benefit from the current regulations.

Administration officials acknowledged on Friday that they did not expect the proposal to become law this year, but said they hoped it would help frame a policy debate that would extend well after the elections in November.

In a nod to the debacle in mortgage lending, the administration proposed a Mortgage Origination Commission to evaluate the effectiveness of state governments in regulating mortgage brokers and protecting consumers.

The bulk of the proposal, however, was developed before soaring mortgage defaults set off a much broader credit crisis, and most of the proposals are geared to streamlining regulation.

This plan would consolidate a large number of regulators into roughly three big new agencies.

Bank supervision, now divided among five federal agencies, would be led by a Prudential Financial Regulator, which could send examiners into any bank or depository institution that is protected by either federal deposit insurance or other federal backstops. It would eliminate the distinction between “banks” and “thrift institutions,” which are already indistinguishable to most consumers, and shut down the Office of Thrift Supervision.

Any effort to merge the Commodity Futures Trading Commission with the S.E.C. is likely to provoke battles.

Yet another proposal would, for the first time, create a national regulator for insurance companies, an industry that state governments now oversee.
Administration officials argue that a national system would eliminate the inefficiencies of having 50 different state regulators, who have jealously guarded their powers and are likely to fight any federal encroachment.

Arthur Levitt, a former S.E.C. chairman who has long pushed for stronger investor protection, said his first impression of the plan was positive. Even though the S.E.C.’s powers might be reduced, Mr. Levitt said, the plan would create a broader agency to regulate business conduct in all financial services.

“It’s a thoughtful document,” he said. “I’m intrigued by the fact that it puts an emphasis on investor protection, and that it establishes an agency specifically for that purpose, which would operate across all markets. I think that’s a very constructive first step.”

 
Wow, Greed takes a hit, Ouch loan officers, ouch hedge fund operators, ouch capitalist pigs like Enron, Andersen accounting etc. Yeah regulators, the sheriff of the financial world. Anyone with a smattering of brains can see what de-regulation has done for the country. Made the rich super rich and the poor fucked.
Strict and fair Regulation is needed on all corporations. They should be allowed to operate within certain confines, but the raping and pillaging has to cease. When CEOs are making 300 million a year and Joe Schmoe is making 30,000, something ain't right.
Freedom is a large word. It is a very hard to understand word. What is freedom to one is oppression to another. I may be free to come on your property and smash your pumpkins, steal your apples, and tell you it was all in the name of freedom, (Remind you of anything) But somewhere down the line, it's gonna catch up with me
That is where capitalism is today. We've smashed the pumpkins, stolen the apples and told everyone it was all for freedom. We just didn't tell them it was for the elites freedom. Now the world is wising up. We are running out of bribe money. Who wants to be paid in dollars backed by the Chinese?
 
Wow, Greed takes a hit, Ouch loan officers, ouch hedge fund operators, ouch capitalist pigs like Enron, Andersen accounting etc. Yeah regulators, the sheriff of the financial world. Anyone with a smattering of brains can see what de-regulation has done for the country. Made the rich super rich and the poor fucked.
Strict and fair Regulation is needed on all corporations. They should be allowed to operate within certain confines, but the raping and pillaging has to cease. When CEOs are making 300 million a year and Joe Schmoe is making 30,000, something ain't right.
Freedom is a large word. It is a very hard to understand word. What is freedom to one is oppression to another. I may be free to come on your property and smash your pumpkins, steal your apples, and tell you it was all in the name of freedom, (Remind you of anything) But somewhere down the line, it's gonna catch up with me
That is where capitalism is today. We've smashed the pumpkins, stolen the apples and told everyone it was all for freedom. We just didn't tell them it was for the elites freedom. Now the world is wising up. We are running out of bribe money. Who wants to be paid in dollars backed by the Chinese?

Not dissing you here, Med ... but once again you show your ignorance.

The Federal Reserve is everything you hate about capitalism. The Federal Reserve is the most powerful special interest we have. The directors are unelected, and yet, they control our entire economy via interest rate adjustements. They exist for one purpose ... and that is to serve themselves ... the bankers.

Dankdude has it right in his post. They WILL leave loopholes ... for the bankers, and no one else.

With the new regulations, it will be "Heads you win, tails the taxpayer looses."

One of the main things to understand is that, just like in 1929, the Fed's own convoluted monetary policies have caused the delimma we are in today. They have artificially influenced the normal business cycle via artificially low interest rates, putting the economy awash in dollars. That was the beginning of the downfall in the mortgage/housing market. Just like the stock market back in 1929, everyone was buying with easy, inflated money. Then, the FED pulled the rug out from under ... and the economy collapsed. Like in 1929, more powers were given over to the FED to control our capital markets. They are doing the same thing today ... when the problem is with the FED, not business people.

Vi

PS: Watch Glenn Beck tonight. Ron Paul will be discussing the new-found powers of the FED and how our financial liberties will be affected.
 
Not dissing you here, Med ... but once again you show your ignorance.

The Federal Reserve is everything you hate about capitalism. The Federal Reserve is the most powerful special interest we have. The directors are unelected, and yet, they control our entire economy via interest rate adjustements. They exist for one purpose ... and that is to serve themselves ... the bankers.

Dankdude has it right in his post. They WILL leave loopholes ... for the bankers, and no one else.

With the new regulations, it will be "Heads you win, tails the taxpayer looses."

One of the main things to understand is that, just like in 1929, the Fed's own convoluted monetary policies have caused the delimma we are in today. They have artificially influenced the normal business cycle via artificially low interest rates, putting the economy awash in dollars. That was the beginning of the downfall in the mortgage/housing market. Just like the stock market back in 1929, everyone was buying with easy, inflated money. Then, the FED pulled the rug out from under ... and the economy collapsed. Like in 1929, more powers were given over to the FED to control our capital markets. They are doing the same thing today ... when the problem is with the FED, not business people.

Vi

PS: Watch Glenn Beck tonight. Ron Paul will be discussing the new-found powers of the FED and how our financial liberties will be affected.
So I guess we need regulators to regulate the regulators. Greed is the enemy, and it has many friends.
 
So I guess we need regulators to regulate the regulators. Greed is the enemy, and it has many friends.

We need to abandon the Federal Reserve and abolish their collection agency, commonly known as the IRS. A return to the gold standard and private banking would be appropriate as well. :blsmoke:

Again ... be sure to watch Glenn Beck tonight. Ron Paul's ideas rule!

Vi

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Greed is the enemy
greed was never the enemy. it's as natural as fuckin' and just as necessary to the survival of the species. the desire for the accumulation of goods as a means of guaranteeing the perpetuation of the species. once the point of satiation is reached mankind's more charitable traits are allowed to kick in and those incapable of success, for whatever reason, may be taken care of.


that's what i get for watching the national geographic channel too much. :razz:
 
Hm.. love how they're now making it legal and mandated for the FED to bail out their wallstreet buddies... fabulous. They bail out their buddies- our dollar becomes devalued. Love our Federal Reserve. :mrgreen: Ohh control us all knowing Federal Reserve- control us to the root of every penny.
 
We need to abandon the Federal Reserve and abolish their collection agency, commonly known as the IRS. A return to the gold standard and private banking would be appropriate as well. :blsmoke:

Again ... be sure to watch Glenn Beck tonight. Ron Paul's ideas rule!

Vi

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YES EXACTLY!!! It will never happen though, the fed is too powerful. Take Kennedy for example, when he signed exevutive order 11110 he signed his death warrant...
 
greed was never the enemy. it's as natural as fuckin' and just as necessary to the survival of the species. the desire for the accumulation of goods as a means of guaranteeing the perpetuation of the species. once the point of satiation is reached mankind's more charitable traits are allowed to kick in and those incapable of success, for whatever reason, may be taken care of.


that's what i get for watching the national geographic channel too much. :razz:
Greed: one of the 7 deadly sins! What say you?

Greed (or avarice, covetousness) is, like lust and gluttony, a sin of excess. However, greed (as seen by the Church) is applied to the acquisition of wealth in particular. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote that greed was "a sin against God, just as all mortal sins, in as much as man condemns things eternal for the sake of temporal things." In Dante's Purgatory, the penitents were bound and laid face down on the ground for having concentrated too much on earthly thoughts. "Avarice" is more of a blanket term that can describe many other examples of greedy behavior. These include disloyalty, deliberate betrayal, or treason, especially for personal gain, for example through bribery. Scavenging and hoarding of materials or objects, theft and robbery, especially by means of violence, trickery, or manipulation of authority are all actions that may be inspired by greed. Such misdeeds can include Simony, where one profits from soliciting goods within the actual confines of a church.
 
I wouldn't classify that as greed... that's survival..gathering what one needs to protect and take care of one's family. I def. wouldn't classify a 30 room mansion and a benz as "necessary to the survival of the species". That's greed. And serves no positive purpose..

That's how things look from here anyways.
 
greed was never the enemy. it's as natural as fuckin' and just as necessary to the survival of the species. the desire for the accumulation of goods as a means of guaranteeing the perpetuation of the species. once the point of satiation is reached mankind's more charitable traits are allowed to kick in and those incapable of success, for whatever reason, may be taken care of.

I keep saying the same thing ... that greed, positively directed, is a good thing. Greed is part of our nature as humans. Positively directed, greed is what focuses humans toward achievement and the betterment of human conditions. When greed is focused negatively, we have the systems in place to take care of it. Its called cops, courts and jails. Unfortunately, we have persons such as Med who don't understand the positive side of greed. They don't understand that to wipe out all greed would be impossible. Slave-states have been constructed in attempts to do so ... and even that didn't work. In order for all greed to be eliminated, Man's ego would need to be crushed. If Man's ego were to be crushed, the results would be automatons.

Vi


 
Greed: one of the 7 deadly sins! What say you?

Greed (or avarice, covetousness) is, like lust and gluttony, a sin of excess....
so we should all live a spartan life, never acquiring more than we can use and giving away every excess penny with no thought for our future well being? quite frankly, i couldn't care less what religion has to say and even bringing up such drivel only goes to show how desperate you're getting. and who is to be this grand inquisitor that defines what is excessive and what is not?

to top it all off, you add in "actions that may be inspired by greed". hunger may inspire theft, but i don't see you damning anyone for being hungry. no, i'm afraid you're going to have to find a better authority than the twisted morality of churchly prattling in order to vilify the useful trait of simple greed. while these religious fools may have you believe that man was divinely elevated above the beasts of the field, both common sense and history tell us that it is up to man himself to attain that position and he cannot be forced into it, he must make that choice on his own.
 
Gettin' kinda Randian there Undertheice. :)

Vi

PS: Med would set himself up as the Grand PooBah Arbiter of who gets what, when and where. Anyone who makes more, achieves more, or has more than he, would have all "excess" wealth confiscated and thrown down the rat-hole of some government bureaucracy somewhere. ~lol~
 
Gettin' kinda Randian there Undertheice. :)

Vi

PS: Med would set himself up as the Grand PooBah Arbiter of who gets what, when and where. Anyone who makes more, achieves more, or has more than he, would have all "excess" wealth confiscated and thrown down the rat-hole of some government bureaucracy somewhere. ~lol~
And anyone that made less might benefit from those that made more. You greedy bastards all know who you are, so pile on. greed can't be reasoned away. I know what greed leads to, do you?
 
Greed is not a good thing...You can be a wealthy pwerful person without being greedy, being greedy is not a human trait that has gotten us where we are today...if anything it has held us back as a people
 
Greed is not a good thing...You can be a wealthy pwerful person without being greedy, being greedy is not a human trait that has gotten us where we are today...if anything it has held us back as a people
Exactly. If God gives you bounty and you don't share, you're greedy, selfish, and in my humble estimation, a prick. So all that hard work and a lot of luck has made you wealthy, and now you want to hoard it all, you are a prick, pure and simple! PS. you know who you are.
 
Greed is not a good thing...
any trait, when taken to extremes, cannot be considered a good thing. it merely is. the inclination toward greed is what allows the individual to thrive, just as a tendency toward charity benefits the society. one without the other spells extinction, the balance is all important. artificially suppressing one will naturally have an equal effect on the other.

If God gives you bounty and you don't share, you're greedy, selfish, and in my humble estimation, a prick. So all that hard work and a lot of luck has made you wealthy, and now you want to hoard it all, you are a prick, pure and simple!
if you wish to consider intelligence and the will to succeed as merely the unearned largess of the cosmos then you are discounting drive and ambition, making it all a matter of the luck of the draw. with excess comes the ability to give. when you start to define what is excess for others and and attempt to enforce some rationing of their assets, you become the thief.
 
Undertheice sez ...

"when you start to define what is excess for others and and attempt to enforce some rationing of their assets, you become the thief."

How many times have I tried to get this concept across in this forum? Countless. To take from one, in order to give to another, is a violation of the first person's right to life, liberty and property. It doesn't matter if politicians pass laws to make theft legal, theft is still theft ... and theft is immoral.

Vi
 
Undertheice sez ...

"when you start to define what is excess for others and and attempt to enforce some rationing of their assets, you become the thief."

How many times have I tried to get this concept across in this forum? Countless. To take from one, in order to give to another, is a violation of the first person's right to life, liberty and property. It doesn't matter if politicians pass laws to make theft legal, theft is still theft ... and theft is immoral.

Vi
Theft is disguised in many ways. The owning of the media by 4-6 large corporations is theft in a way as it limits the viewpoints being presented. Stock holders that sit on their dead asses and rake in the profits by reason of having enough money to buy stock are basically stealing from the wealth pool. All greedy people steal from the wealth pool by hoarding their capital. Corporations are among the largest thieves, government is right in there. The players in government are really thieving scumbags, right in concert with the corporations and the elites, scumbags all. Is a white collar thief that cheats on his taxes any less guilty than the poor man that steals a sandwich from an AM-PM? Does the poor man deserve 5 years in jail for a 5.00 sandwich while the white collar thief steals thousands and gets a slap on the wrist? Thieving is going on everywhere, it's just that the poor are prosecuted for it and the rich aren't
 
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