ottawaliquid
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Apparently there was a hacker on the site.. everyone has lost everything since around February 20th
I've Smoked Weed for over 4 Decades; this is my First Attempt at Growing Anything.
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shotrocker
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Since evil forces have wiped out all my posts with pics since I went in to flower, I thought this might be a good time for an update. Things seem to be going well for the most part. I've been doing a lot of LST to try to take advantage of the space and 2 600W lights. I have been feeding them at 60% from a General Organics Go Box, every 3rd day, when I water them. In the last week I have added molasses.
6 of the plants are sativa dominant, 3 Chocolope and 3 Tangerine Dream. They're all fine. Now I've learned not to freak out every time I see a yellow leaf, but 2 of the Indica dominants seem to be producing too many of them. Here is a Blue Widow.
I was concerned about Nutrient burn but from the books and photos I looked at, it seems more like undernourishment of some kind. I make the water pH 6.4 or so and the soil is Happy Frog. Same conditions as the others. In the case of this Wappa, though budding nicely, many leaves have been getting yellow from the bottom up and the overall hue seem lighter than the rest.
I am going to the store to cop a soil pH tester, to see if there's some chance I'm blocking nutrients. As always, feedback greatly appreciated.
6 of the plants are sativa dominant, 3 Chocolope and 3 Tangerine Dream. They're all fine. Now I've learned not to freak out every time I see a yellow leaf, but 2 of the Indica dominants seem to be producing too many of them. Here is a Blue Widow.
I was concerned about Nutrient burn but from the books and photos I looked at, it seems more like undernourishment of some kind. I make the water pH 6.4 or so and the soil is Happy Frog. Same conditions as the others. In the case of this Wappa, though budding nicely, many leaves have been getting yellow from the bottom up and the overall hue seem lighter than the rest.
I am going to the store to cop a soil pH tester, to see if there's some chance I'm blocking nutrients. As always, feedback greatly appreciated.
ottawaliquid
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The exact same thing happened to me with some of my plants..
I thought it was either a pH issue... the pH meter I bought off of ebay was super cheap and I don't think it was calibrated to any kind of accuracy
My brown spotting was more interveinal than yours and I had suspected a Mg+ deficiency... but yours is more all over the leaf and looks a bit like a P deficiency and of course its also showing N deficiencies..
I would think its a pH issue that is locking out a few different nutrients..
If you're acidic then you'd be locking out the P, Ca and Mg
I think I had the opposite problem and had a high pH in some of my soil ... but not certain as I didn't trust the pH meter but it did say that my pH was on the high side.
I thought it was either a pH issue... the pH meter I bought off of ebay was super cheap and I don't think it was calibrated to any kind of accuracy
My brown spotting was more interveinal than yours and I had suspected a Mg+ deficiency... but yours is more all over the leaf and looks a bit like a P deficiency and of course its also showing N deficiencies..
I would think its a pH issue that is locking out a few different nutrients..
If you're acidic then you'd be locking out the P, Ca and Mg
I think I had the opposite problem and had a high pH in some of my soil ... but not certain as I didn't trust the pH meter but it did say that my pH was on the high side.
shotrocker
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Reading other forum posts and checking pictures has me confused as to whether there is a nutrient deficiency or a nute burn. These 2 indica dominants are the only ones showing these discolorations. Another indica dominant, (LSD), and 6 sativa dominant seem fine, with the same conditions. Plain water for the affected indicas or something else? I'd love to hear from someone with a lot of experience for a little guidance on this. Thanks.
ottawaliquid
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This chart helps me a lot.. its a lot more specific and is general for all plants...
The chart is on the last two pages of the link.
http://landresources.montana.edu/NM/Modules/Module9.pdf
Might want to print out the last two pages as the chart spans to the two pages like a book.
The chart is on the last two pages of the link.
http://landresources.montana.edu/NM/Modules/Module9.pdf
Might want to print out the last two pages as the chart spans to the two pages like a book.
shotrocker
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Thanks a lot, Ottawa
ottawaliquid
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Yeah hope it helps..
It's tough to tell with what the plants look like now..
What I did was go back and take a look at some of my photos from earlier to see how the deficiency progressed.
Good luck!
It's tough to tell with what the plants look like now..
What I did was go back and take a look at some of my photos from earlier to see how the deficiency progressed.
Good luck!
shotrocker
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I'm going with the deficiency due to ph theory. A key clue here is that it's happening with 3 different indica dominant strains and none of the sativas. I read where indicas are usually heavy nute consumers. So, I did the math. The only thing I've done differently in the past 2 weeks is add molasses. Could that have done something negative? What I'm going to do next is aim for high 6 ph water rather than low 6. Unless someone has a better idea.
Illegalbreather
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Great first grow shocker!!! I live in the midwest and have had to deal with stunted growth due to heat. So........ went back and started over and after years of tring, I finally decided to listen. My next grow was amazing! The reason???? Temperature, humidity and water. This is a soil grow by the way. I kept the temperature "Tightly" between 70 and 80 F. The humidity was the next thing. I read that for lush growth you must keep the humidity around 60 - 70 percent. What a difference in plant growth. I had ten plants growing in a 4x6 grow room and though I would have plenty of room based on my previous grows. Let me tell you, by the end of the grow I thought the plants were going to blow the walls apart because they were so huge, nothing like I had seen before!!!!
I also lived in Maine at one time and I fully realize how cold a basement can get. Please make sure you get a thermostat and control that heat the best you can. Place a humidifier in that tent as well. Not a steam one either. I made that mistake early and the steam was flowing over the plants and burned a few of them. So I purchased another one at Wally Worlds, the one with the wic filter in it, OMG works perfect!!!!!!
On the water, I read where one guy felt the weight of the bucket when he knew they needed watering. He made sure the bucket felt relatively the same weight before watering again. Of course you will have to compensate for growing plants!!! I did this and it worked perfectly. After a few weeks, I worked off the vibes coming from the plants and have had no problems with watering.
Well, welcome to the club that you helped to start so many years ago!!!!!
I also lived in Maine at one time and I fully realize how cold a basement can get. Please make sure you get a thermostat and control that heat the best you can. Place a humidifier in that tent as well. Not a steam one either. I made that mistake early and the steam was flowing over the plants and burned a few of them. So I purchased another one at Wally Worlds, the one with the wic filter in it, OMG works perfect!!!!!!
On the water, I read where one guy felt the weight of the bucket when he knew they needed watering. He made sure the bucket felt relatively the same weight before watering again. Of course you will have to compensate for growing plants!!! I did this and it worked perfectly. After a few weeks, I worked off the vibes coming from the plants and have had no problems with watering.
Well, welcome to the club that you helped to start so many years ago!!!!!
shotrocker
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Thanks, illegal. I now have 3 humidifiers! Now that winter is coming to a close, my temp and humidity challenges should be receeding. I guess the insects will be showing up soon!
shotrocker
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I just tested the soil ph. It's right at 7. I think I'll go for 6.5 with 100% nutes. I guess the molasses can't really do any harm? Maybe, I'll skip it this time. I guess I should also check the ph after I add the nutes rather than just before.
shotrocker
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Thanks for the help, so far. I'm doing a lot of reading and looking at pix, hoping to find a remedy. The wrong soil ph seems to be the popular belief. However, the more I read the more confused I get. Should I aim for 6.8 ph or 6.2? Should I flush, water without nutes next time, or just try to adjust my ph to whatever the fuck the magic number turns out to be and proceed with my normal feeding schedule?
shrigpiece
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I don't personaly ph as im a soil grower. Its a complication that soil growers can avoid. If your planning on PHing then aim for 6.5. Really there's no need for you to do so. Looking good bro, don't complicate it for yourself!
PEACE
PEACE
shrigpiece
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After looking at you pics i can see nute lockout. You need to flush with a very weak nute solution and next time you water increase the nute accordingly. It all come good
shrigpiece
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Not 100% nutes. Molasses ain't really needed untill later flowering stages. ie last 4 weeks.I just tested the soil ph. It's right at 7. I think I'll go for 6.5 with 100% nutes. I guess the molasses can't really do any harm? Maybe, I'll skip it this time. I guess I should also check the ph after I add the nutes rather than just before.
shotrocker
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Thanks for all the tips shrig. I figured by using good soil, Happy Frog, I wouldn't have to think about it too much. What I have been doing is taking the ph of my well water down to 6.4 or so but I now realize i should have checked after I added the nutes, plus, aim for 6.8. I know better than to freak over every yellow leaf, but I'm eager to stop doing what I did that caused the problem. Are you suggesting that I flush the affected plants in the twice the pot size manner, i.e. running 6 gallons of water through the 3 gallon pots? And, finally, am I ruling out overfeeding as a cause or not? Lockout and burn look different, right? Thank you so much for your help. You always sound like you really know what your talking about.
montanachadly
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shotrocker your grow looks way good for a first time much better than most. Some of the sativas are tough for begginers really touchy plants. good work tho
shotrocker
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Thanks, man! Backwoods Montana. Respect! From Maine.
shotrocker
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Now that the buds are popping everywhere, I just want to get to the finish line without fucking it up. I see the appeal of fast finishing plants. The longer the grow, the more chances trouble will arrive! The 6 sativas probably will go 10 - 12 weeks of flowering. 6 to 8 more weeks. I'm going to try a light feeding at 6.8. The ph of the soil seems fine by the way; must've been something in the feeding causing the problem.